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All iPad Airs will run like this from clean install. People have different interpretations of "smooth". This is not smooth for my usage.

@ 4:20 YouTube scrolling is absolutely terrible on iOS 11. Hopefully an app update fixes that. YouTube is one of my most heavily used applications on an iPad. Performance is abysmal.
 
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Why debate: If this looks good to you, go for it.


All iPad Airs will run like this from clean install. People have different interpretations of "smooth". This is not smooth for my usage.

@ 4:20 YouTube scrolling is absolutely terrible on iOS 11. Hopefully an app update fixes that. YouTube is one of my most heavily used applications on an iPad. Performance is abysmal.
A picture is worth a thousand words. I can live with iOS 11 on my Air, which I use daily, but I worry about iOS 12 next year. The Apple store Genius Bar confirmed last week that this Air’s hardware is fine. I hope I don’t have to try to find several hundred dollars for new iPad just to keep up with the iOS.

Were those clean installs of all the third party apps, or resets and restores of backups? My Air runs 11 just fine after a firmware-level reset and selected reinstall of apps (with data loss for those apps that do not store data in the clouds, like games and health app).
 
Some of the older folks in our extended family have iPad air (the original, or air 1) and I've specifically asked them to not download the new iOS. Given all the problems on newer devices, it just does not sound worth the hassle, especially for older folks for whom on iOS 10.3.3, the iPad just works.

I believe that the Air is towards the end of the current software support cycle and the hassles of newer demanding systems outweigh the benefits at this point.
 
A picture is worth a thousand words. I can live with iOS 11 on my Air, which I use daily, but I worry about iOS 12 next year. The Apple store Genius Bar confirmed last week that this Air’s hardware is fine. I hope I don’t have to try to find several hundred dollars for new iPad just to keep up with the iOS.

Were those clean installs of all the third party apps, or resets and restores of backups? My Air runs 11 just fine after a firmware-level reset and selected reinstall of apps (with data loss for those apps that do not store data in the clouds, like games and health app).
iApplebytes has a bunch of devices that he speedtests. I’m assuming they are all clean installs. He’s very methodical in his testing. When a new iOS comes out, I go to his page to verify and rely completely on his work. Hasn’t failed me yet.
 
I "accidentally" updated my iPad Air to iOS 11 a couple months ago, and even on 11.2 (as in I wasn't paying attention), and it went from very fast to practically unusable in a matter of minutes. It's a spare that I use for light kitchen duty, so there's literally only a few apps installed, primarily Evernote and Timer+, but I use it nearly every day. Evernote takes about *10* seconds to load. Timer+ takes nearly *5* seconds to load.

I thought there must be something wrong, so I did a complete reinstall of iOS and setup from scratch. Exact same issues.

I've been using computers for over 30 years, so yeah, I get that things generally slow down a little bit with each new version of iOS, but this was ridiculous - went from working delightfully where Evernote opened up almost instantaneously to now taking 10 seconds! (and yes, I've done all the typical tips & tricks for speeding up iOS, so that's not what I'm looking for)

Does anyone have thoughts on whether there's any chance that iOS 11 will be "fixed" to work acceptably with the iPad Air? Or are we at a point where if it's not fixed by now, little chance it ever will be?
 
I "accidentally" updated my iPad Air to iOS 11 a couple months ago, and even on 11.2 (as in I wasn't paying attention), and it went from very fast to practically unusable in a matter of minutes. It's a spare that I use for light kitchen duty, so there's literally only a few apps installed, primarily Evernote and Timer+, but I use it nearly every day. Evernote takes about *10* seconds to load. Timer+ takes nearly *5* seconds to load.

I thought there must be something wrong, so I did a complete reinstall of iOS and setup from scratch. Exact same issues.

I've been using computers for over 30 years, so yeah, I get that things generally slow down a little bit with each new version of iOS, but this was ridiculous - went from working delightfully where Evernote opened up almost instantaneously to now taking 10 seconds! (and yes, I've done all the typical tips & tricks for speeding up iOS, so that's not what I'm looking for)

Does anyone have thoughts on whether there's any chance that iOS 11 will be "fixed" to work acceptably with the iPad Air? Or are we at a point where if it's not fixed by now, little chance it ever will be?
You have my sympathies. My iPhone 6S is still on iOS 10 but Apple continues to sneak iOS 11 onto it to try to trick me to upgrade. Often when I switch it on I am prompted by the damn upgrade request but you can’t make it go away permanently. I’ll be damned if Apple is gonna obsolete my iPhone in the name of their devious and twisted software practices. They are no better than Microsoft of the 1990s.

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.

Apple claims to be pro environment with their bogus recycling propaganda but they’re really the biggest producers of eWaste on the planet.
 
You have my sympathies. My iPhone 6S is still on iOS 10 but Apple continues to sneak iOS 11 onto it to try to trick me to upgrade. Often when I switch it on I am prompted by the damn upgrade request but you can’t make it go away permanently. I’ll be damned if Apple is gonna obsolete my iPhone in the name of their devious and twisted software practices. They are no better than Microsoft of the 1990s.
True, and it actually reminds a lot of Apple in the 1990's as well when they nearly went under... anytime companies stop putting the best interests of the customers first, and start putting the "best" interests of the company first, it rarely ends well (and put "best" in quotes because while short-term, "hey we're selling more iPads that way!" works, long-term... not so much).

The nagging to upgrade is just unacceptable, but alas, no choice. And it's all of them. Same issue at work with Microsoft's forced updates - constantly causing issues. We're not a fortune 500 company with an IT staff... we've got a dozen computers and I do what i can in between trying to get actual work done.

I've just sooooo had it with the OS update nagging. Don't mean to turn this into a rant, but for crying out loud, just me personally - I've got three Macs and four iOS devices and it's just constant updates of one kind or another, and then the inevitable trouble shooting... and if I don't install, daily nagging from all the devices (which is how I accidentally updated to 11)... this industry has to figure out a better way.
 
I "accidentally" updated my iPad Air to iOS 11 a couple months ago, and even on 11.2 (as in I wasn't paying attention), and it went from very fast to practically unusable in a matter of minutes. It's a spare that I use for light kitchen duty, so there's literally only a few apps installed, primarily Evernote and Timer+, but I use it nearly every day. Evernote takes about *10* seconds to load. Timer+ takes nearly *5* seconds to load.

I thought there must be something wrong, so I did a complete reinstall of iOS and setup from scratch. Exact same issues.

I've been using computers for over 30 years, so yeah, I get that things generally slow down a little bit with each new version of iOS, but this was ridiculous - went from working delightfully where Evernote opened up almost instantaneously to now taking 10 seconds! (and yes, I've done all the typical tips & tricks for speeding up iOS, so that's not what I'm looking for)

Does anyone have thoughts on whether there's any chance that iOS 11 will be "fixed" to work acceptably with the iPad Air? Or are we at a point where if it's not fixed by now, little chance it ever will be?
The only chance if your iPad getting faster is if you go to your nearest Apple store and buy a new iPad.

Apple’s sleaziest scheme is their OS update practices. My Air is staying on iOS 9 until it dies.
 
You have my sympathies. My iPhone 6S is still on iOS 10 but Apple continues to sneak iOS 11 onto it to try to trick me to upgrade. Often when I switch it on I am prompted by the damn upgrade request but you can’t make it go away permanently. I’ll be damned if Apple is gonna obsolete my iPhone in the name of their devious and twisted software practices. They are no better than Microsoft of the 1990s.

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.

Apple claims to be pro environment with their bogus recycling propaganda but they’re really the biggest producers of eWaste on the planet.
You can install the tvOS profile and that should stop downloading any iPhone updates on your iPhone. Search for it online. It works. You won’t have to ever worry about iPhone downloading any updates. When you really want to l, delete the profile and it continues as it should.
 
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