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Crow_Servo

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I’m looking at this and 64GB is plenty for me. I’ll be upgrading from a iPad Pro 9.7 32 GB and I still have space.
That’s a solid upgrade. The only things you’ll be losing from your 9.7” Pro will be quad speakers and rear camera flash. Everything else should be an improvement.
 
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huge_apple_fangirl

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That’s a solid upgrade. The only things you’ll be losing from your 9.7” Pro will be quad speakers and rear camera flash. Everything else should be an improvement.
And ProMotion. I upgraded my 10.2" Pro to a refurb 2018 Pro rather than a new Air for ProMotion (did not want to splurge for M1 iPad Pro... iPad doesn't need that chip anyways).
 

huge_apple_fangirl

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So, a $1300 13" Macbook PRO base has the same amount of RAM as a $600 consumer iPad.
Come on Apple, this is embarassing. Time to put 16GB RAM as STANDARD on all Macs.
What's embarrassing is how long Apple skimped on memory in iOS devices. 8GB standard is looong overdue. Notice how they started listing the amount of memory on M1 iPads? They never listed it before because it would look quite stingy (which it is). M1 MacBook Pro is really a MacBook Air, so I don't what the problem is with 8GB standard.
 

ian87w

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What's embarrassing is how long Apple skimped on memory in iOS devices. 8GB standard is looong overdue. Notice how they started listing the amount of memory on M1 iPads? They never listed it before because it would look quite stingy (which it is). M1 MacBook Pro is really a MacBook Air, so I don't what the problem is with 8GB standard.
An iPad with hobbled iPadOS gets 8GB of RAM, while a mac with macOS also only gets 8GB of RAM? Come on. We're talking about a $1000 computer here. If Apple sold the Macbook Air for $600-$700, sure, 8GB is okay, but at $1000? And it was released in 2020 mind you while maintaining the same price.
 
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ian87w

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So is it worth it to upgrade from iPad air 4 to the iPad Air 5 ???
Not really, unless you must have 5G, or you just must have center stage and willing to spend hundreds of dollars for that. The rest of typical user experience will be the same. Still the same screen, same dual speaker, same iPadOS.
 

Crow_Servo

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So is it worth it to upgrade from iPad air 4 to the iPad Air 5 ???
IMO, no, but it depends on the individual.

If the addition of Center Stage and the upgrade to M1 with 8GB RAM is enticing, perhaps so.

I would have liked a little more additions, but wasn’t really expecting them.

Even the addition of 5G doesn’t excite me much. I can’t think of anything about the Air 5 that would change my iPad experience over the Air 4.

If they gave it ProMotion and/or quad speakers, it would have my attention. It makes it much easier for me to wait for the next iPad Pros later this year.
 

rui no onna

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An iPad with hobbled iPadOS gets 8GB of RAM, while a mac with macOS also only gets 8GB of RAM? Come on. We're talking about a $1000 computer here. If Apple sold the Macbook Air for $600-$700, sure, 8GB is okay, but at $1000? And it was released in 2020 mind you while maintaining the same price.

In fairness, swap on macOS makes 8GB RAM Macs more flexible/reliable compared to iOS without swap.
 

ericwn

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But starting with 64GB of storage at the same starting price of $599...Really weird and compare to iPad Mini 6 with 4+64, it is double man:eek:

Guess Apple has big plan on iPadOS going forward, we will see

I see nothing weird about it. And I certainly wouldn’t build up any expectations that iPadOS is going to change dramatically either.
 
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huge_apple_fangirl

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An iPad with hobbled iPadOS gets 8GB of RAM, while a mac with macOS also only gets 8GB of RAM? Come on. We're talking about a $1000 computer here. If Apple sold the Macbook Air for $600-$700, sure, 8GB is okay, but at $1000? And it was released in 2020 mind you while maintaining the same price.
An iPad hobbled with iPadOS gets 8GB of RAM an M1 chip, while while a mac with macOS also only gets 8GB of RAM an M1 chip? Come on. We're talking about a $1000 computer here.

iPadOS is crippled compared to the hardware, but that doesn't make the hardware bad. The M1 MBA and MBP have solid specs for entry-level computers. iPad has extremely overpowered specs for its OS, except for memory, where it was sorely lacking- until now. The real problem is not that the Macs have bad specs, its that the iPad has a crippled OS.
 

scupking

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The only version of the air that makes sense is the 64gb version. If you need more storage than the pro makes more sense. Truthfully they should drop the air and offer the pro 11 starting at 64gb for 649.
 

ArkSingularity

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In fairness, swap on macOS makes 8GB RAM Macs more flexible/reliable compared to iOS without swap.
Agreed. That, and memory compression. iOS performs memory compression as well (it's much less expensive than swap in terms of performance cost), but once iOS runs out of memory, it just starts killing apps.

Mac OS being able to swap memory is fundamentally a huge difference. And it doesn't impact performance severely until it starts swapping actively used memory, so an 8GB Mac vs. an 8GB iPad isn't quite apples to apples.
 
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Username-already-in-use

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So is it worth it to upgrade from iPad air 4 to the iPad Air 5 ???
Probably not for most people. But, it is an individual choice. If you sell your Air 4 you can put it towards an Air 5 and pay the difference. I know some people who do buy on a yearly cycle, always part-funding purchase with the sale of their old item.

Personally I work on a 4-year upgrade cycle, so it would be too soon for me. I think at 4 years you see substantial hardware differences.
 

ian87w

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The only version of the air that makes sense is the 64gb version. If you need more storage than the pro makes more sense. Truthfully they should drop the air and offer the pro 11 starting at 64gb for 649.
Me guessing that's Apple's intention, to upsell people to the Pro so they spend more money in the end. They're just so good at this upselling strategy ..
 

Isengardtom

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So is it worth it to upgrade from iPad air 4 to the iPad Air 5 ???
I agree with the other comments. It’s almost never worth upgrading from 1 generation Ago unless there’s a new design you really like, which isn’t the case here.

I would wait and see if WWDC brings M1 exclusive software features to iPadOS. As @Digitalguy mentioned not likely but we’ll see
 
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Isengardtom

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When the M1 iPad got 16GB RAM I said this might a sign of big plans for iPadOS 15, many people liked that post, we saw how it went. And now people do the same...
I would not bet on any radical change, simply given economies of scale M1 probably does not cost much more than A15 with 6GB RAM while it's a powerful marketing argument, while they skimped again on storage to save money.
With the mini 6 having only 4GB and the iPad 9 only 3, don't expect big changes like monitor support (= desktop mode, as you cannot do proper monitor support without desktop mode). And I doubt they make monitor support M1 only when the mini now has USB C to, so they don't even have the lightning excuse...
Having said that, at least now the value of the Air is justified, the air 4 was a terrible value. With double the RAM and the processing speed, that's different.
The 11 pro will get M2 and mini led at $900 in 6 months and will retain the better speakers and promotion.
I agree but I’m afraid I’m hoping again. Interesting was the iMovie mention. Maybe Final Cut Pro at wwdc?

as for the mini, personally I don’t think that’s a device that needs to be capable of desktop mode monitor support. Same with iPad 9.
it’d be more than ok with apple releasing some “pro” features to iPadOS that are exclusive to M1 iPads Or iPads with 6GB ram and higher

That may suck for 2018 pro / 2020 Air users but the 2018 pro is now old enough for them to get away with it in my opinion
 

Mcckoe

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I fail to see a reason a tablet wold need more power than the M1: minor upgrades beyond this point are most likely planned for the AIR over the next 5 years. M1 in the iPad Pro is almost too much power to ever be used in a tablet, but i keep finding ways to push it. Still, I’ve never been able to really push it anywhere close to its limits.
 

Isengardtom

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true at this point but it allows for more powerful software. But in order for devs to start developing that, apple needs to show them that it’s possible.

Best way to do that is to bring pro software and capabilities to the device. Something Samsung has been much better at in the last few years even though in benchmarks their top tablets would obviously loose against the iPad Pro and now Air as well.
 
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