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IPadNParadise

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Found another reason why MacOS is better than IOS. I found yesterday, on my MBP, while editing a photo, there are new functions to edit a photo in Photos App. Levels, Curves, White Balance among them. Not as robust as my Affinity Photo typical editing software I usually use but it does help editing when I have only 1 or 2 photos to quick edit. But these are not in IOS 11 like in High Sierra. So why Apple, if you say the iPad can replace a laptop? Editing photos is a popular task and has been a capability in a basic form in IOS for years so why not make it have the same updated Photos App editing features as MaOS?
 

macgeek18

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iOS is close to a usable everyday device for most people. I was using my iPad Pro last night as my only device and everything was fine till I needed to check something in a Ubuntu VM. I had to fire up my desktop and run the VM while on my iPad Pro. But if I didn't need a VM everything would have run on my iPad.
 

tulsaskyline

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If my job didn’t use windows and RDP links and remote desktop connections all over the place I could probably even use this as a work computer. However, the software I work with is windows based so, not really.

I use the Citrix X1 Mouse with the Jump Desktop App for IOS on an iPad Pro 12.9 to remote into desktops at the office. It doesn't require any jailbreak of IOS. But it is limited to just two apps. The X1 mouse was built by Citrix for their Receiver product - provided you have Citrix at the office. The X1 mouse also works with the Jump Desktop App by Five Phase Systems which supports RDP. The X1 mouse works fine. It is a bit expensive for the build quality but it gives me mouse support for remoting into Windows at work. There is also a "Swift Point" mouse - which is very small (more portable) and yet more expensive. At one point the app offered a very good coupon for the swiftpoint mouse from inside the Jump Desktop app. You had to go to 'Settings' -> 'Mouse & Gestures' -> 'Physical Mouse' to get the coupon. I don't know if it's still valid.
 
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Just wondering do you guys believe the iPad pro is officially a laptop replacement yet. Would you still prefer some mouse support and how is the Files application since updating to iOS 11? I noticed there is a Chrome OS looking dock on iOS 11 now...is that working well?
It is still a long way for iPad Pro becomes a laptop replacement due to the fact that iOS still has limited capabilities compared to Mac OS capabilities.
 

jamesrick80

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I have been using my Note 8 lately as a desktop replacement with DeX. Im astounded by how smooth the experience is actually. I have to give Samsung props for getting this right. They have even improved it since the S8 with more updates and more optimized apps. Now, all I would like is a laptop dock that allows you to run DeX.

It would be nice for the ipad pro to be able to go into a true desktop mode with mouse support and a real file manager when connecting to a monitor like the Note 8. I'm actually more productive on a Note 8 than any ipad I have ever owned.

Note 8 is the closest to a one device do it all consensus in a mobile form factor............................

Update: Seems its constantly improving.

http://www.techradar.com/news/samsu...martphones-can-now-run-windows-10-more-easily
 
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pat500000

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I have been using my Note 8 lately as a desktop replacement with DeX. Im astounded by how smooth the experience is actually. I have to give Samsung props for getting this right. They have even improved it since the S8 with more updates and more optimized apps. Now, all I would like is a laptop dock that allows you to run DeX.

It would be nice for the ipad pro to be able to go into a true desktop mode with mouse support and a real file manager when connecting to a monitor like the Note 8. I'm actually more productive on a Note 8 than any ipad I have ever owned.

Note 8 is the closest to a one device do it all consensus in a mobile form factor............................
How do you get around without much eco-system stuff since you're using note 8?
 

Abazigal

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I find my iPad is no closer to becoming a laptop replacement with iOS 11. In that it lets me do the stuff I was already doing way better and more conveniently (such as sending screenshots, and drag-and-dropping info and putting more apps in my dock), but it doesn't let me do anything new that I couldn't do on an iPad before (was already using documents as a file manager before the files app.

Not that it's a bad thing, as my iPad has already established itself as an integral part of my workflow. Just that Apple seems to be content with tackling the low-hanging fruit than addressing the thornier issues like lack of support for USB storage devices or running the same app side-by-side.
 
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subjonas

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It would be nice for the ipad pro to be able to go into a true desktop mode with mouse support and a real file manager when connecting to a monitor like the Note 8.

But if you have a monitor on your desk, why not just have a dedicated computer hooked up to the monitor—and have files sync between your tablet and computer? That way your desk computer is always available to work with or without your tablet and it has more powerful hardware, and its software is designed specifically for the mouse and bigger screen.

Dual mode mobile devices have major, major hurdles to clear. But even if they do, I’m not sure what the big payoff is. Any docking means you still have two devices. I think the “one device for everything” goal is a mirage. Good syncing is the better answer.
 
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mickeydean

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Office on iOs doesn’t have enough power (or it’s limited by Microsoft).

I wasn’t able to open VOPPs with powerpoint (file too large) and my excel sheets with so many columns still requires a mac...

a welcome improvement but not replacing the mac anytime soon...
 
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AVDL

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Hi All: i am new to this posting thing (and not a born-English speaker). I have purchased a new iPad Pro 10.5. I have migrated all my things from a MacBook Pro and, until now, the only thing i miss is the ability of opening several instances of the same software.
I have been circumventing this limitation, by using different type of apps for the same purpose (i.e sheets from google and excel from Microsoft). Regarding time-schedule, i have also to use two apps. But, for the rest, i manage fine with it so far. The mail app is fast on search (more than 130 Gb of mails). AutoCAD pro is good also.As i use cloud services for a long time, the file system built-in works fine. What is really annoying is the lack of comparing in the apps two versions of a file.
 
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jamesrick80

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How do you get around without much eco-system stuff since you're using note 8?

Google apps, samsung apps, and chrome work well in DeX. Microsoft office apps for productivity are optimized for DeX. Adobe Lightroom is used for photo editing and its optimized for DeX. But I actually use several devices, I just wanted to see how capable the Note 8 really is.

The ipad Pro is powerful yet Apple has never pushed it far enough for its potential capabilities.
 
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Isamilis

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I saw product positioning of iPad Pro + Keyboard is very similar with rMB, right? However, if you are doing lot of writing (and no need for drawing/sketching), rMB is more compact due to its 'internal' keyboard, compare to external keyboard in iPad Pro.
 
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kissymac7

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This debate is very very debatable when it comes to creative professionals. In what professional creative professional world does this category fully fits except for those digital artists.

As pro photographer, we can’t use photoshop editing on an iPad Pro

As a web designer we can not use an iPad Pro for any web creations with softwares like illustrator, Indesign, blocs, rapidweaver n etc

I own the iPad Pro MacBook Pro and Mac air and to do any real work I need my laptop.
 
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Donfor39

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What is DEX I had to ask
Google apps, samsung apps, and chrome work well in DeX. Microsoft office apps for productivity are optimized for DeX. Adobe Lightroom is used for photo editing and its optimized for DeX. But I actually use several devices, I just wanted to see how capable the Note 8 really is.

The ipad Pro is powerful yet Apple has never pushed it far enough for its potential capabilities.
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What is DEX if you don’t mind me asking
 

jamesrick80

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What is DEX I had to ask

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What is DEX if you don’t mind me asking

It's basically a way to turn your phone into a PC. You have to purchase the DeX dock to get the functions in the S8, S8 Plus, or Note 8. It allows you to connect it to a monitor, mouse, and keyboard as well. Here is a good overview link. It's runs your apps like a typical desktop experience provided that they are optimized correctly.

http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/apps/samsung-dex/
 

sracer

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But if you have a monitor on your desk, why not just have a dedicated computer hooked up to the monitor—and have files sync between your tablet and computer? That way your desk computer is always available to work with or without your tablet and it has more powerful hardware, and its software is designed specifically for the mouse and bigger screen.

Dual mode mobile devices have major, major hurdles to clear. But even if they do, I’m not sure what the big payoff is. Any docking means you still have two devices. I think the “one device for everything” goal is a mirage. Good syncing is the better answer.
Why? Because there is more to various workflows than simply having access to one's files. Being able to use the same apps (not the desktop and mobile versions of the same app) anywhere and everywhere results in being equally productive in different scenarios.

It would be terrific to be able to connect a smartphone/tablet to a physical keyboard, monitor, and mouse in various locations. Conference room, co-worker's office, coffee shop, library, lecture hall, classroom.

it has more powerful hardware, and its software is designed specifically for the mouse and bigger screen.
Some OSes are designed to require a mouse and larger screen, others aren't, and there are still others where those are optional but can be taken advantage of if they are present.

Android has had support for physical pointing devices and external displays for many years. Mouse support is seamless, universal to the entire system (not just individual apps), and optional. If a mouse is detected and it is active, then a mouse pointer appears on the screen and the mouse can be used like it is used on a desktop. If the screen is touched with a finger, the mouse pointer disappears. There are no Android apps that I know of that require a mouse.

I don't want to debate yet again, the merits of having a mouse with mobile/touch devices, but only point this out because software does NOT have to be specifically designed for the mouse.

As for being designed for a larger screen, again, Android has had this support for quite some time. It's not perfect, but it is steadily improving. Google's addition of support for Android apps to ChromeOS has given them greater focus on improving larger screen support.

I really want Apple to push iOS forward to be able to do those things. I have experienced them on Android devices and have found them to be helpful. Unfortunately, Apple seems more intent emojis, animojis, and what will be introduced in iOS 12... AR emojis.
 

pat500000

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Google apps, samsung apps, and chrome work well in DeX. Microsoft office apps for productivity are optimized for DeX. Adobe Lightroom is used for photo editing and its optimized for DeX. But I actually use several devices, I just wanted to see how capable the Note 8 really is.

The ipad Pro is powerful yet Apple has never pushed it far enough for its potential capabilities.
Excellent setup.
 

BWhaler

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Almost.

Need iWork to fill in last missing core features.

iOS 11 needs serious bug fixing. It’s a mess really got now.
 

subjonas

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Just that Apple seems to be content with tackling the low-hanging fruit than addressing the thornier issues like lack of support for USB storage devices or running the same app side-by-side.

the only thing i miss is the ability of opening several instances of the same software.

I believe technically developers could create the ability to open two documents side by side within the same app right now if they want, like safari in iPad does (or more than two documents if using tabs). I wonder if that would be the most resource-efficient way to go, and maybe that’s why Apple is leaving that up to developers. But then if so, Apple should be implementing that functionality into their other first party productivity apps.

Why? Because there is more to various workflows than simply having access to one's files. Being able to use the same apps (not the desktop and mobile versions of the same app) anywhere and everywhere results in being equally productive in different scenarios.

Not trying to be obtuse, maybe I’m just not getting it, but wouldn’t one want a desktop version (designed for mouse input and bigger screen) and a mobile version (designed for touch) of each of their apps so that they are optimized for whichever form factor device they are using? And if so, how would the user experience be significantly better by having the same app switch modes when connecting the device to another device versus having files automatically sync (or Hand Off) between the two versions of the app on each dedicated device? Also docking is not a big hassle but automatic sync/hand off means you just walk up to the computer and start using it.

It would be terrific to be able to connect a smartphone/tablet to a physical keyboard, monitor, and mouse in various locations. Conference room, co-worker's office, coffee shop, library, lecture hall, classroom.

If it’s a place where it’s not feasible to have your own computer or user login on a shared computer, and if you’re not a laptop person, then I’d agree it would be convenient. But I don’t think these plug-in terminals are going to be everywhere any time soon. You could have them at home and at work, but that’s usually where people can have their own computer or user login. So while I’m sure the use case exists, I’m just not sure the demand is strong enough in the mainstream to convince Apple to build that type of functionality into their iPads or iPhones. Especially considering the technical hurdle of getting iOS app developers to make additional desktop optimized versions of their apps, or running x86 alongside ARM.

I don't want to debate yet again, the merits of having a mouse with mobile/touch devices, but only point this out because software does NOT have to be specifically designed for the mouse.

If you’re talking about just running iOS, as is, on the bigger monitor with a mouse and keyboard, then there wouldn’t be so much a technical hurdle, and it wouldn’t detract from the mobile experience, but it still wouldn’t be the optimal desktop experience, which may be the lone reason Apple doesn’t provide mouse support in iOS.

But I agree with you that a mouse on iPad would work and is sometimes needed. Using a physical keyboard without a mouse is non-optimal unless you’re working only in Terminal or something. I think Apple backed themselves into a corner with this one, but that’s another topic.

In short, I’m not against mouse support, nor monitor support really. My point was more that if there’s already a monitor (and keyboard and mouse) just sitting there, from a pure functionality standpoint, if able, it seems more beneficial to have a cheap Mac mini connected to it all the time rather than docking an iOS device. The Mac mini can do more than an iOS device can in that environment because it was designed for it from the ground up, and a dedicated computer has other benefits.
 
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