iPad as a laptop replacement

[Arctic Moose]

I'm surprised how little healthy discussion is actually happening on the iPad space - it's completely divided into an us vs. them mentality at this moment in time.

This is nothing compared to that particularly vicious Emacs vs. vi holy war battle on Usenet in 1993.

Like BhavesUK said, everything is so toxic nowadays.

Or that one cli vs. GUI "discussion" on that mailing list in 1997. Godwin's law was invoked in less than six hours.

Correct, but it doesn't mean the ipad cannot be a replacement for a MAC or PC for others.

I do not believe I have ever argued that that is the case, quite the opposite in fact.

I just wish it could be so for me more often, that's all.

🤷‍♂️

 

[ArchebaldDiv.]

That is typically the perspective I have when evaluating if a particular technology is useful to me personally or not, correct.

iPad is just not for you man… but thats your faul dude, dont ruin it for others please!

In 8 years nothing has really changed.

Well this is the root of your misinformation! In 2014 I would have been the - iPad is a toy guy. Becuaw iPad od 2014 and iPad of today are not in the slightest even simmilar.

Problem is brain of some people is still stuck in 2014 and they are convinced nothing has changed, thats all…

 

[sparksd]

This is nothing compared to that particularly vicious Emacs vs. vi holy war battle on Usenet in 1993.

Canon vs Nikon

Chevy vs Ford

Harley vs any other bike

Lots of forums out there hosting their own holy wars.

 

[ArchebaldDiv.]

hahah yeah

Then there's the crowd who can't use iPad as a laptop replacement - they seem annoyed at anyone who finds iPad better for their workloads - how dare anyone find iPad useful!

 

[ArchebaldDiv.]

Canon vs Nikon

Chevy vs Ford

Harley vs any other bike

Lots of forums out there hosting their own holy wars.

Canon

Lol 😂 BMW, bitch

Harley is cool.
KTM maybe also

 

[grmlin]

Canon vs Nikon

Tell me more. I use a Panasonic S1 lol

You better visit L mount forums for that. Everything else is pretty much unbearable

 

[Boil]

Canon vs Nikon

Leica, like I could afford it...!

Chevy vs Ford

Grandpa had a Chevy Silverado when I was growing up, so Chevy it is...!

Although my first car was a 1973 AMC Javelin with a small block V8...

Harley vs any other bike

Thanks, a reminder that I need to finish putting my Sportster back together...!

 

[ArchebaldDiv.]

Tell me more. I use a Panasonic S1 lol

You better visit L mount forums for that. Everything else is pretty much unbearable

Sony Alfa is great too

 

[bondr006]

Just a reminder that there is a fully functional ignore button here that makes for a much more pleasant forum community experience.

 

[Arctic Moose]

Just a reminder that there is a fully functional ignore button here that makes for a much more pleasant forum community experience.

Thanks. I have only used it twice here, both times in this thread. 🙂

 

[sparksd]

Leica, like I could afford it...!



Grandpa had a Chevy Silverado when I was growing up, so Chevy it is...!

Although my first car was a 1973 AMC Javelin with a small block V8...



Thanks, a reminder that I need to finish putting my Sportster back together...!

Leica - my ophthalmologist has a large collection on display in his office. His main camera now is a Hasselblad. And yes, he's expensive ...

My friend used to let me borrow his Sportster back in the very early 70's - what a blast of a bike. I'd just gotten out of the Marines and life was good again ...

 

[bondr006]

If I have ever made anybody feel irritated or offended with my personal enthusiasm towards my M1 iPP, I 100% sincerely apologize. I know we are each individuals with our own unique use cases. Please forgive me if I have overstepped boundaries with anybody here. I kinda pride myself for being open minded towards others since I had no control over who I was born as. Tolerance, patience, respect, courtesy, fairness, open mindedness, honesty, kindness, and treating others well are all character traits I seek most in life. I have no real religious beliefs but do my best to treat others as I would want to be treated. My mama is a caregiver and very social, traits she passed on to me. I have only one rule when it comes to making friends. If you treat others well, we can be friends.

 

[Digitalguy]

If I have ever made anybody feel irritated or offended with my personal enthusiasm towards my M1 iPP, I 100% sincerely apologize. I know we are each individuals with our own unique use cases. Please forgive me if I have overstepped boundaries with anybody here. I kinda pride myself for being open minded towards others since I had no control over who I was born as. Tolerance, patience, respect, courtesy, fairness, open mindedness, honesty, kindness, and treating others well are all character traits I seek most in life. I have no real religious beliefs but do my best to treat others as I would want to be treated. My mama is a caregiver and very social, traits she passed on to me. I have only one rule when it comes to making friends. If you treat others well, we can be friends.

Don't worry man, I don't think you have ever offended anyone. Indeed sometimes you are extremely enthusiastic and can even get carried away but that should not offend anyone and even in the rare instances where I have tried to "contain" your enthusiasm by pointing out that you might be overly optimistic about some things you have always shown a respectful and open-minded attitude, which is appreciated. I also value a lot the contributions from Bhavesh and Sparksd.
Sure there are annoying and even aggressive people in these forums but in the few years I have been around I have come to realize it's still worth staying because of the contributions from people like you, like the others I mentioned and like many others I have not mentioned (well let me mention at least another great one, rui no onna).
It's not always easy, especially for people like me who are not in the Apple ecosystem and can be easily attacked by some Apple fanboys (and mind you, I don't mean people in the ecosystem are all fanboys, fortunately many aren't). Saying on MacRumors that you prefer Windows to MacOS, or defending the qualities of Samsung tablets (instead of saying they are trash) here is often viewed as heresy and with some disdain (and when English is not you mother tongue it doesn't help). But I think it's important that the contribution of people who are not "Apple only" or "Apple mainly", or simply that do not see things the same way, can be very useful and as long as there is respect and open mindedness everybody wins.

 

[exoticSpice]

I truly saw the ipad as the future of computing. It was fanless, thin and was really responsive.

That was until the M1 MacBooks. The M1/M2 MacBook Air is all of that and better cause it can do more software wise.

I still use an iPad just as a note taker tough.

 

[Abazigal]

Go for it. There's one at the bottom of post #2794:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread....1937134/page-112?post=30418473#post-30418473

Man, those seem to be ultra-specific workflows. I will concede this one, because I have no idea what issue is being raised here, much less how to go about resolving them, just that I haven't exactly run into them either.

Except maybe the one about projecting iPads to projectors that still run VGA, as iPad pros today lack the headphone jack, and most VGA adaptors I see on sale today don't also come with said port. I was able to work around it by buying a usb to headphone jack adaptor and plugging it in, but I guess some will argue that it's still a workaround to what should be a non-issue, and some hubs cannot accommodate both the HDMI cable and a fat usb-stick plugged in side by side.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

I truly saw the ipad as the future of computing. It was fanless, thin and was really responsive.

That was until the M1 MacBooks. The M1/M2 MacBook Air is all of that and better cause it can do more software wise.

I still use an iPad just as a note taker tough.

I do the same. iPad as the consumption, ereader, and note-taking device, m1 mba for everything else.

 

[Macalicious2011]

I truly saw the ipad as the future of computing. It was fanless, thin and was really responsive.

That was until the M1 MacBooks. The M1/M2 MacBook Air is all of that and better cause it can do more software wise.

I still use an iPad just as a note taker tough.

Yeah. The computing power, batteey life and quietness of Apples recent laptops is something else. A truly giant leap for computers.

Last year I had an M1 13 inch for work. Took it to a conference abroad for a week. Only had to charge it once during that period. Since then I had my noisy, hot running and low battery life 2020 16 inch MPB.

I have never experienced obsolence of this nature.

 

[dukebound85]

No, no no… this might come as a surprise to you - but iPadOS is amazing on Air/Pro
In fact - its far better / more modern / more convinient / and more powerfull than traditional MacOS

.. sorry man

As someone who uses both iPadOS and macos daily, I disagree. iPadOS is certainly not any of those things when compared to macos

 

[exoticSpice]

No, no no… this might come as a surprise to you - but iPadOS is amazing on Air/Pro
In fact - its far better / more modern / more convinient / and more powerfull than traditional MacOS

.. sorry man

You do know that iPadOS is just a simplified macOS that is very silmmed down for a tablet and optimised for touch.

With macOS 13/Ventura you get all the features that iPadOS 16 got but also new features like Continuity Camera.

iOS, iPadOS and macOS are built on the same codebase. But macOS is more feature rich and has more freedom and latest macOS such as Ventura Apple redesigned a lot of macOS apps to make it more modern like the new Settings app.

Just use whatever suits you best but Macs and macOS is not inferior just because it does not support touch or 5G.
Macs do have more powerful hardware and software but in the end does it matter? All Apple OS's share the same codebase.

 

[Macalicious2011]

Now that iPas Pros and Macs are powered by the same SOC, desktop apps for iOS are inevitable.

Stage Manager and extending an iPad's display lay the ground works for that.

Desktop apps won't be avaivle this year but could start roll out in beta in 12 months from now.

 

[ascender]

Agree with the most recent posts above. I came in here just to share my perspective on things hoping for productive conversation, and instead basically got told I’m dumb, a boomer, I’m not doing things right, and I don’t even know how to use an iPad properly. I wasn’t trying to even promote an agenda, just share my experience.

Sometimes I wonder why even bother commenting in threads anymore, especially on the front page. Like BhavesUK said, everything is so toxic nowadays.

Its been like that for years, but I always thought that for the most part the actual forums tend to attract actual users who like to discuss stuff in a reasoned manner and respect other views. Sorry you feel like that... I'd use the ignore button as there's still a lot of good discussion in this place.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Now that iPas Pros and Macs are powered by the same SOC, desktop apps for iOS are inevitable.

Stage Manager and extending an iPad's display lay the ground works for that.

Desktop apps won't be avaivle this year but could start roll out in beta in 12 months from now.

Does that mean we get a real finder and terminal? Real FTP?

I disagree with the inevitability. I think it is going to become and uncanny valley situation. The more they try these crazy workarounds to real freedom on an iPad—like Stage Manager, the more it will show the divide between iPad OS and Mac OS.

Edited to add: Look it is fine. I just have to accept two devices. Once I accept that the M1 MBA is the mac I always wanted anyway. No fan, never heats up, great screen, insanely long battery life, processor is the same plugged in or not, and the processor is FAST, instant on.

And the iPad is everything I wanted in a companion device. (I have the 12.9 2018 Pro.) Great screen, accurate touch, lightweight, instant on, efficiently designed software—but limited. In short, great for consumption and creating/note-taking with the pencil. Then I airplay it to my mac.

This is the system apple wants. Two devices. I admit some of this is a generational thing. I am used to tinkering. I have made hackintoshes, linux boxes, taught programming and networking. I code for a living. I want control of my arena. Full control. The ability to install anything and use anything. An iPad was never going to work as my main device. To the people that it does, great! I am happy for you. But at this point, they have severely limited iPad OS. It is purposely designed to be a great tablet and a terrible mac. Stage manager (judging from the beta testers) isn’t going to change that. It is intentional—so that we all buy macs as well. Once I accepted that, the rest was easy.

 

[Macalicious2011]

Does that mean we get a real finder and terminal? Real FTP?

Good point. These are two big and desktop defining features.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Good point. These are two big and desktop defining features.

Thank you. As are XCode, DevonThink, and about 30 other true desktop apps that will never be at the same level on an iPad. I am glad you are seeing it now.

Like, even if they allowed all the APIs to be exactly the same, is Literature and Latte going to completely recode their Scrivener app just for the iPad Pro line? Doubtful.

 

[ascender]

Does that mean we get a real finder and terminal? Real FTP?

I disagree with the inevitability. I think it is going to become and uncanny valley situation. The more they try these crazy workarounds to real freedom on an iPad—like Stage Manager, the more it will show the divide between iPad OS and Mac OS.

Its a really weird position isn't it? On one hand, macOS and iOS have never been closer in terms of features and even how they look, not to mention the common hardware with Apple Silicon now. But they still feel so far apart in other ways.

I need a Mac for my daily workflow (being able to run VMs apart from anything else), but there's so many parts of that workflow I prefer being able to do on an iPad.