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NastyMatt

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Thanks OP for sharing your perspective. I’ve been browsing threads like this again as I contemplate whether I “need” a MacBook.

I’ve been using an iPad as my primary mobile device for about five years. I also have a 2018 Mac mini at home. Like you, I have no problem doing pretty much any of my work on the iPad as most of it is reading, writing, email, and zoom. Zotero helps organize my research just fine; PDF Expert is good at integrating with it; and Files plus the iWork suite does the rest. In an emergency, RDM and Tailscale help me remote into my home machine while on the go.

But for complex tasks while I’m at home I usually wind up moving to the desktop for a bigger display and more familiar multitasking workflows. On my 11” ipp screen I try to single-task or at max have split panes. I’ve never liked how much fiddling I have to do to run the stage manager.

As I travel more often for work now and expect to increase that I am wondering if I’ll come up more frequently against cases where I wish I had macOS in a portable form. Curious if you experience these cases where the iPad *doesn’t* work or has a lot of friction and how you’ve solved for those.
I travel a lot for work - I have a MBA 13 and a 2020 IPP. As a COO I don’t do technical work so both devices fit my workflow needs. I prefer the IPP for portability and flexibility i.e. it’s harder to remotely collaborate with a MBA than an IPP because I can use the pencil and whiteboard remotely with the IPP. In my downtime when travelling I can play games (CODM with PS4 controller) and watch movies with spatial sound (yes you can in a Safari browser on an MBA but not always possible with no internet connection). I also find the IPP is a little easier to manage on a plane tray table.

Why do I sometimes take my MBA instead? 2 reasons, my company has not managed to sort out the corporate mobile security properly - so simple tasks such as copy and paste, are restricted in Sharepoint etc really simple stuff like that - and they cannot work out why!! And using external screens, my IPP only mirrors when using external monitors not extend (I am looking to get the next IPP to negate this). The MBA extends to (only) one monitor which is great when I am somewhere for more than a day.

They are both USB C which makes cabling a lot easier (and lighter). When using a laptop I don’t have multiple apps in view, the screen is just not big enough so stage manager/working on an iPad is relatively the same.
 

Wando64

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Mac can run software that iPad can't.

The opposite is also true.

Mac can run software faster than iPad can. Etc.

This is probably true a purely theoretical level, but do you have any benchmark comparing the same software run on Mac and iPad equally configured?


Of course I think that a Mac is a more versatile machine, but it is also true that there are applications where the iPad is a better tool for the job (Some music applications are a point in case, but this is true of any use where portability and touch are important).

The truth is that a lot of people underestimate the iPad and iPadOS capabilities and the wide range of specialised professional applications available (both meant as Apps and as Usages).

Often when you ask someone what in iPadOS is holding them back, they are unable to string together a coherent reply and they mumble some vague nonsense about the “File System”.
There are things holding me back on the iPad, but the File System is definitely not one of them.

(I use an iPad Pro, a Mac Mini and a MBP)
 
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Antoniosmalakia

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If I'm going away for a long weekend, I can get away with just my iPad for light browsing and emails, but if I actually have to do any real work, I need my MacBook. iPad can do a lot of useful stuff, but the specific apps I need for my 3D design work have never been developed for the platform, and I doubt they ever will.
 

ericwn

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Use a Mac? Happens there, too. So it's not "every other system". (I'll guess now you'll be trashing Mac's, as well).

While no OS can stop a user from being silly and ripping out storage devices randomly from a running computer, not having an option to safely eject is way worse especially if I cater to those who claim to be non technical users.
 

jwolf6589

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There are always these questions about Mac vs iPad (Pro) and I felt like sharing my experience.

I decided to switch to iPad back in 2016 after the original (1st gen) iPad Pro hit the market. I ditched my 13” MacBook Pro and never looked back. I always used my private devices for work and switching to iPad also made sense as you could natively use work email on the iOS (but not on a Mac OS).

Sure, the first months were a bit difficult. Note that back in 2016 there was no trackpad and the iOS was still very basic. Lots of files, webpages, etc would not open optimally and there was lack of some much needed apps/software. Still, I never felt like switching back to MacBook. Granted, for my work, I don’t need video editing software; I mostly work with documents.

Now, almost 8 years later, I am on my second iPad Pro (bought in 2019) + the Smart Cover which is slowly disintegrating. But I love working on iPad more than ever, as I can now compare. Late last year I bought a 15” MacBook Air — only because it had a bigger screen than my iPad — but the experience on a MBP didn’t feel natural at all. I know there has allegedly been tons of progress for MacOS, but it just doesn’t feel that way. The whole experience is quite cumbersome and quite dated. I had already forgotten the dreaded pop-ups on the top right corner of MacOS and the bouncy icons on the dock. And you still have to Save Changes? Come on. .. I also didn’t realise there is so much software missing — there is no ChatGPT app, no Netflix, no apps or authenticators for my banks, etc. So whereas I can use my iPad without my iPhone, I could not do the same with a Mac. Long story short, I sold the MB Air after 3 weeks of trying hard to like it.

To clarify for those debating the iPad’s suitability for serious work, its capabilities should not be underestimated. I have produced hundreds of serious written materials on it, including dozens of studies over 10k words. iOS has never failed me (I prefer Pages to Word — more stable). For research, writing, reading, whatever. For most office jobs iPad is not only not worse, but is much better than a MacBook. The touchscreen + Pencil are very useful features. The iPad’s versatility allows (detaching it from the cover) me document reading away from the confinement of a desk.

The minuses? A few. Mostly iOS. One thing — which I am surprised nobody mentions — is the ongoing issue with Copy-Paste. This dates back to the beginnings of iPad OS. Essentially, every here and then when you use a hardware keyboard (Smart Cover or a Bluetooth keyboard), the cmd+V does not do anything. So you have to go back and use “Copy” on the touchscreen. I cannot understand why this is so hard to fix, but I guess most people are just not such iPad power users as me and just don’t care.

The other thing is the document organisation. It is still a bit cumbersome. I also still wish there was a dedicated Preview-like app for the iPad so that all my PDF documents could be saved and viewed there. The “best” document management apps like GoodReads, Documents, etc feel to me underwhelming or outright disappointing. If the developers cannot do a better job, Apple should.

There may be some other small things which I am already failing to notice, but truthfully I can point to way more many annoyances of MacOS. It is also quite clear that Apple is really pushing iPad as an alternative, rather than a complement to a Mac. Hence the pace of innovation for iPad OS is also much more noticeable. And this will only continue this way.

Would love to hear what others think.
Depends on what you are doing. I use both iPad and MacBook Air. Depends on what you are doing. For some a iPad is all they need, but others will need a Mac.
 

eicca

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Use a Mac? Happens there, too. So it's not "every other system". (I'll guess now you'll be trashing Mac's, as well).
My gosh, have you even used a Mac? You have a way to safely eject a drive and it’s very very easy. Yes, it is literally every other system on earth that lets you safely remove hardware.

Except for iPad/iPhone.

Apple screwed up big and refuses to fix it.
 

Wando64

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My gosh, have you even used a Mac? You have a way to safely eject a drive and it’s very very easy. Yes, it is literally every other system on earth that lets you safely remove hardware.

Except for iPad/iPhone.

Apple screwed up big and refuses to fix it.

Sorry to interject in a discussion you are having with someone else, but I really have to say that external disks do get corrupted on Macs too. They just do, for various reasons.
For example, Macs disks gets disconnected without proper ejection from time to time.
It is a very common issue and it happens to everybody on every version of MacOS.

I don't know exactly how iPadOS behaves with external disks, but if it is the case that they fully commit the data to the disk at the moment of writing, then effectively they eject the disk after every use.
As long as you don't pull the cable while you are in the middle of a transfer, you will be OK.
 
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eicca

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Sorry to interject in a discussion you are having with someone else, but I really have to say that external disks do get corrupted on Macs too. They just do, for various reasons.
For example, Macs disks gets disconnected without proper ejection from time to time.
It is a very common issue and it happens to everybody on every version of MacOS.

I don't know exactly how iPadOS behaves with external disks, but if it is the case that they fully commit the data to the disk at the moment of writing, then effectively they eject the disk after every use.
As long as you don't pull the cable while you are in the middle of a transfer, you will be OK.
You would think this would be the case, but it’s not.

Thinking that exact thing, I waited until my file transfer was done, waited an extra 30 seconds, and figured that there was no “eject drive” option because Apple had built in a safeguard.

Nope. 300GB of work data gone.

Quit apologizing for Apple or trying to pull the “you’re using it wrong” card. They screwed up big time. They’re not the white knights everyone thinks they are.
 
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okieoutwest

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And using external screens, my IPP only mirrors when using external monitors not extend (I am looking to get the next IPP to negate this). The MBA extends to (only) one monitor which is great when I am somewhere for more than a day.

Thanks for the reply. Great example of the tradeoffs for MBA vs IPP. When i have to do presentations i bring my iPad mini as well and hook up the IPP to the projection and use the mini for my speaker notes. It is a bit clunky at times, since I have to advance two things at the same time. I've taken to just putting my speaker notes in a Pages doc or Notes which, for my personal preferences, is slightly better from a UI perspective (natural scrolling within a continuous doc vs. "paginated" slides). Takes a little more rehearsal ahead of time to prevent getting "lost" in the moment ime.
 

Ludatyk

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You would think this would be the case, but it’s not.

Thinking that exact thing, I waited until my file transfer was done, waited an extra 30 seconds, and figured that there was no “eject drive” option because Apple had built in a safeguard.

Nope. 300GB of work data gone.

Quit apologizing for Apple or trying to pull the “you’re using it wrong” card. They screwed up big time. They’re not the white knights everyone thinks they are.
When was the last time you did this task?

Back when external drives were first supported… it was a rough start, I lost data in the process too. But with the recent updates, I no longer have this issue.
 

sparksd

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When was the last time you did this task?

Back when external drives were first supported… it was a rough start, I lost data in the process too. But with the recent updates, I no longer have this issue.

You and I have been on multiple threads regarding corruption of external storage, e.g. -

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-using-ipad-and-external-hard-drives.2369602/

My long thread on file corruption -

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/file-corruption-on-copy-to-external-storage.2235171/

I don't see file corruption anymore but occasionally see instances where an exFAT disk requires repair when being used with a Windows PC after use on my iPad Pro; however, the repair never finds errors. I've also not gone back to using the Files app, where I was seeing file corruption with exFAT storage - I have stuck with FileBrowser Pro for external storage transfers.
 

prospervic

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My gosh, have you even used a Mac? You have a way to safely eject a drive and it’s very very easy. Yes, it is literally every other system on earth that lets you safely remove hardware.

Except for iPad/iPhone.

Apple screwed up big and refuses to fix it.
Yes, I’ve used Macs for many years and have had occasions when everything froze and I could not type the eject command into Terminal, forcing a reboot.
But this is far afield of your comment that iPads are only good for watching videos, isn’t it?

Look, I have my own frustrations with iPadOS, but these occur primarily when I’m trying to use iPad as a full-on general purpose computer (i.e. Mac). So (instead of trashing-talking it) I’ve learned to stop doing that and instead perform tasks that play to iPad’s strengths (and there are a sizeable number of those beyond just content consumption, especially if you are a photographer/artist/musician) on iPad. The rest are done more easily and efficiently on my MacBook Pro.

I would never tell anyone (except for maybe the technology-averse, neophytes and elderly) to make an iPad their only computing device. It was never designed to fully replace a Mac (and Apple never EXPLICITLY said so).
 
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eicca

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When was the last time you did this task?

Back when external drives were first supported… it was a rough start, I lost data in the process too. But with the recent updates, I no longer have this issue.
Just two days ago. Then I found many posts online going back three years complaining of the same issue.

I’m not tech illiterate. I know how to properly eject a drive. Apple does not.
 

eicca

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Yes, I’ve used Macs for many years and have had occasions when everything froze and I could not type the eject command into Terminal, forcing a reboot.
But this is far afield of your comment that iPads are only good for watching videos, isn’t it?

Look, I have my own frustrations with iPadOS, but these occur primarily when I’m trying to use iPad as a full-on general purpose computer (i.e. Mac). So (instead of trashing-talking it) I’ve learned to stop doing that and instead perform tasks that play to iPad’s strengths (and there are a sizeable number of those beyond just content consumption, especially if you are a photographer/artist/musician) on iPad. The rest are done more easily and efficiently on my MacBook Pro.

I would never tell anyone (except for maybe the technology-averse, neophytes and elderly) to make an iPad their only computing device. It was never designed to fully replace a Mac (and Apple never EXPLICITLY said so).

Exactly. I would never tell anyone to replace a Mac with an iPad either, the external drive catastrophe being one major reason.

I take the most issue with Apple flaunting the external drive capability when they can’t even be bothered to make it actually work.
 

Ludatyk

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Exactly. I would never tell anyone to replace a Mac with an iPad either, the external drive catastrophe being one major reason.

I take the most issue with Apple flaunting the external drive capability when they can’t even be bothered to make it actually work.
That’s the problem nowadays… this generalization against the iPad. Just because it didn’t work for you.. doesn’t mean it applies to everyone else.

As I stated, I no longer have this issue… but it is unfortunate that you happen to lose data.
 
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Edx09

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Thanks OP for sharing your perspective. I’ve been browsing threads like this again as I contemplate whether I “need” a MacBook.

I’ve been using an iPad as my primary mobile device for about five years. I also have a 2018 Mac mini at home. Like you, I have no problem doing pretty much any of my work on the iPad as most of it is reading, writing, email, and zoom. Zotero helps organize my research just fine; PDF Expert is good at integrating with it; and Files plus the iWork suite does the rest. In an emergency, RDM and Tailscale help me remote into my home machine while on the go.

But for complex tasks while I’m at home I usually wind up moving to the desktop for a bigger display and more familiar multitasking workflows. On my 11” ipp screen I try to single-task or at max have split panes. I’ve never liked how much fiddling I have to do to run the stage manager.

As I travel more often for work now and expect to increase that I am wondering if I’ll come up more frequently against cases where I wish I had macOS in a portable form. Curious if you experience these cases where the iPad *doesn’t* work or has a lot of friction and how you’ve solved for those.
Thanks for sharing. I personally don’t find iPad limiting at all. Of course I don’t do photoshopping or video editing, etc. For work I sometimes need to log into my work computer using Citrix which works just fine. Thankfully, most of the work stuff is available outside that environment so my use of the virtual desktop is limited to 1-2 times per month, for 1 hour at a time or so. I also find the virtual desktop interface on iPad more than adequate. Plus that way I can multi-task where my virtual desktop is basically another app.

Like you, I find the stage manager quite cumbersome; it is rare that I switch it on. Stage manager in its current form is mostly an annoyance, but I get why others like it. I do, however, use split screen very often. If there were a 14” iPad Pro, the experience would be even greater (btw, I don’t think 15” IPP is really necessary).

During the pandemic I also tried to use the external monitor with the iPad, but it made me realise how often I use FaceID and so I had to take out the iPad every time to authenticate. I gave up on that.

I don’t see myself going back to MacOS, even though I really like how the new MacBooks look :)
 

okieoutwest

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I personally don’t find iPad limiting at all.

Love the perfect fit you have found in the device! I feel slightly more in-between but largely on the side of the IPP, as i described. I wonder if a larger display (14" or larger) would eliminate some of my issues since you brought that up, so i'll pay more attention to exactly what causes that friction i feel. Typically i haven't paid as much attention, i just switch since switching is so often very easy. Cheers!
 

Soondae

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What if you enable "request desktop website" in Safari settings?
Second option could be to try another browser such as Firefox.
Tried that, it doesn't help defeat the desire to use the APP. My only other option is to delete the APP and then see if the web site in Safari works. I haven't tried that as of yet. I have tried Chrome and still have the same issue with my IRA website.
 
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Wando64

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Tried that, it doesn't help defeat the desire to use the APP. My only other option is to delete the APP and then see if the web site in Safari works. I haven't tried that as of yet. I have tried Chrome and still have the same issue with my IRA website.

Have you tried changing these settings?
Particularly the "Suggest App" setting.

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terryw1

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As much as I enjoy my iPad Pro 12.9 I would not like being restricted to it as my only computer. The reason is that I love working on Macs, which are what I used for 6 years before the iPad came along.
Just as there are Mac tasks that would be cumbersome or near-impossible to perform on iPad, there are other tasks that iPad does in a simpler, smoother and more elegant way.

I'm very happy to be on Team Both.
I’m ab avid 129 pro user. And if I can’t figure out a workflow for what I want to accomplish on my pro….it has often times been my own ignorance.i e had I’m S AND VARIOUS ITTERARIINS OF Mc pro notebooks in the pAR. I NOW Hve M1 STUDIO AND A MBAIR 13. The studio hasn’t seen day,ight since we moved 6 mths ago and I keep procrastinating getting set up again. My macair was bought out of necessity since there were certain workflows I could not accomplish on the iPad Pro and certain pro incompatibilities with some software.

i am of the mind I need both although the iPad Pro does about 60% of what I need it to do. Outside of the usual consomption workflows. I struggled with the other 35% and found much to my delight that my m2 mbair could handle most of those with ease.

i too am very happy on team both!
 
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Edx09

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I’m ab avid 129 pro user. And if I can’t figure out a workflow for what I want to accomplish on my pro….it has often times been my own ignorance.i e had I’m S AND VARIOUS ITTERARIINS OF Mc pro notebooks in the pAR. I NOW Hve M1 STUDIO AND A MBAIR 13. The studio hasn’t seen day,ight since we moved 6 mths ago and I keep procrastinating getting set up again. My macair was bought out of necessity since there were certain workflows I could not accomplish on the iPad Pro and certain pro incompatibilities with some software.

i am of the mind I need both although the iPad Pro does about 60% of what I need it to do. Outside of the usual consomption workflows. I struggled with the other 35% and found much to my delight that my m2 mbair could handle most of those with ease.

i too am very happy on team both!
I need to carry around my device constantly. Assuming it is the case for people like you as well, which device do you carry around? Both?
 

ericwn

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I’m ab avid 129 pro user. And if I can’t figure out a workflow for what I want to accomplish on my pro….it has often times been my own ignorance.i e had I’m S AND VARIOUS ITTERARIINS OF Mc pro notebooks in the pAR. I NOW Hve M1 STUDIO AND A MBAIR 13. The studio hasn’t seen day,ight since we moved 6 mths ago and I keep procrastinating getting set up again. My macair was bought out of necessity since there were certain workflows I could not accomplish on the iPad Pro and certain pro incompatibilities with some software.

i am of the mind I need both although the iPad Pro does about 60% of what I need it to do. Outside of the usual consomption workflows. I struggled with the other 35% and found much to my delight that my m2 mbair could handle most of those with ease.

i too am very happy on team both!

I’m curious, did you write this post with the pencil?
 
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