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rui no onna

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I don't think an entire iOS backup feature could be done by a third party. Something that requires such complete access to the iOS device would have to be implemented by Apple, I would think. But third parties only stand to benefit from
Apple not allowing automatic, unlimited, free (local) backups because that can only mean more users will then be likely subscribe to their cloud services to safeguard their data.

Either way, yes, not providing this feature does seem like an obvious money grab by Apple. That subscription holy grail is just too tempting for tech companies to pass up, as we are seeing these days.
This is true. What I don't get is why Apple doesn't just integrate the functionality on the Apple AirPort Time Capsule.
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Just curious, but why are you willing to spend hundreds of dollars for a hardware backup that will assumingly have a shelf life of a few years at best, but not willing to spend $1-3 per month for some extra storage space on iCloud? Do the math and it comes out cheaper using iCloud.
Honestly, I'd love to have a local wifi-based backup solution in addition to iCloud. Just charge my device overnight and it automatically backs up to both iCloud and a Time Capsule for iOS devices. Allowing for multiple "iOS Time Capsules" for extra redundancy would be great, too.
 
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rui no onna

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They could, but not doing so -> more iCloud subscriptions -> $$$
It's gonna take years before a $1 per month iCloud subscription matches profit from a single Time Capsule purchase. The development of new wireless technology also encourages upgrading hardware.

And as I mentioned earlier, I just want it in addition to iCloud, not in-lieu of. iCloud and Dropbox are my off-site backups. I also want easy, automatic on-site backups for quick recovery and just in case our internet is down.
 

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This is true. What I don't get is why Apple doesn't just integrate the functionality on the Apple AirPort Time Capsule.

It's really a odd decision since they have been heavily trying to push the iPad a traditional PC replacement.

I've been using my current iPad solely as a media consumption device, so I didn't care about backing it up.

However when I saw the preview of iOS 11 I thought it would be fun to try working on my current project using an iPad as my main machine.

Since my new iPad will actually be used for work, I now do care about backups for it.

I've been using macs since MacOS 9 and I believe, that since Tim took over, their attitude has shifted, they have started believing their own hype. In the immortal words of Harry Callahan they are legends in their own minds. They are slowly moving away from "it just works" and edging closer and closer to becoming a "fashion tech" focused company.

Just looking at the iMac Pro clearly shows that they have dropped the ball. However they upgraded the internals of their laptops and took a big step forward with iOS, I'm hoping that they are realizing that they need to correct their course and take their customers feedback and needs a little more seriously.

Wow, this reply is way toooooooo long :p
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It's gonna take years before a $1 per month iCloud subscription matches profit from a single Time Capsule purchase. The development of new wireless technology also encourages upgrading hardware.

And as I mentioned earlier, I just want it in addition to iCloud, not in-lieu of. iCloud and Dropbox are my off-site backups. I also want easy, automatic on-site backups for quick recovery and just in case our internet is down.

Exactly this.
 
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It's gonna take years before a $1 per month iCloud subscription matches profit from a single Time Capsule purchase. The development of new wireless technology also encourages upgrading hardware.

And as I mentioned earlier, I just want it in addition to iCloud, not in-lieu of. iCloud and Dropbox are my off-site backups. I also want easy, automatic on-site backups for quick recovery and just in case our internet is down.

You and I know having both onsite and offsite backups is important, but I don't think mainstream people would ever want to pay for both iCloud AND a somewhat expensive onsite time capsule. People barely do one backup as it is, let alone redundant backups. If Apple were to make such a device, I would think the majority of buyers would be those looking for an alternative to paying monthly for iCloud. And since $1/mo is such a low barrier, it's likely those people would just stick with iCloud, and the ones who would buy the time capsule would be the ones needing higher tier plans--in which case, Apple would lose money in the long run.

Of course I would get one to have non-subscription automatic backups at home. But for me it would be to avoid iCloud (I would need the $10/mo plan), not for redundancy. I get my offsite backups by switching between two time machine hard drives and keeping one at work (so I would ideally need my iOS backup to be on my Mac).

But all of this is kind of moot sadly, since Apple has gotten out of the airport game.
 

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If you use an iPad daily for creation, then backup should be AT LEAST once a day, which is too often for it not to be automatic.

Personally I find it silly that there is no ability to back up an iOS device automatically at home without paying monthly. Macs can do it after all. I'd be more than happy to pay for the software. But if it hasn't come out after a decade of iOS I don't think it ever will..

You can sync with DropBox every time You save your creation/file. Dropbox will constantly sync any folder or file you tell it to do so.
 

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good day all,

With my Mac I use a time capsule for backups with time machine.

Now, is there a way to have something similar with the iPad?

I know that I can use iTunes and/or iCloud, however is there a standalone device that can automatically back up the iPad the same way that time machine/time capsule does it for the Mac?

Thank you and I apologize if this has already been discussed (I did a search and didn't find anything)

Cheerio

Yes their is a work around I have found, I do my best to explain, I point out I am still in the early stages of this.
MY AIMS ARE TO USE ONLY IOS IPAD AND BACK UP AND TRANSFER FILES BACK.

So their is no desk top involved here, here Is what I learnt so far.

I bought a WD cloud HD, the interface app for IOS compared to android is heavily reduced in certain areas, such as cast to chrome cast is not supported for IOS where as it appears from other WD users it is but only in android.

An app called File Browser over comes this £5,99 the interface will help as your see a finder type view on your ipad so searches are easier while going through WD cloud drive.

WD cloud by default does not show icons, so looking for images on a WD cloud drive while in IOS i saw no image preview, this can be activated on the WD app. ( it not easy to find)

I could using the file browsers app see all my PSD TIFF but not RAW images - the RAW I had to open (choice of app affinity photo )

I did drag a final cut exported file in a format .mov to the WD cloud from a USB hard drive using the ipad - issues where i cannot bring this file back to the USB drive plugged into the WD drive, unknown error 500 is displayed.

I not tried the auto back up of files from phone or tablet but it says it can in WD forums.

Re cap WD Very quite hard drive, app terrible for a first time user and issues like bringing files back into the ipad may prove irritating so i do a duplicate on an external drive before moving them.

Seagate Cloud 5 TB i tried with ipad they have an interface of app and safari.

Safari interface will see all your drives however you cannot connect direct (with OSX) only wifi
You can say bring files from your plugged in USB drive into the app works very fast however again support for the files are limited, example in the Seagate it has mpeg files so you can chromecast to the Tv works, but if you bring in say a mpeg you have made, unless it fits the sizes supported no chromecasting the seagate supports very small scale like 640 by 480 anything bigger no viewing. (Again in adroid I think no issues from what i have read)

So if you made a video in lumafusion (video editing app) and send to the seagate it will not play on chromecast as 720 not supported in IOS.

If you have android it appears all supported.

The only issues for me was the terrible sound from the drive tooo loud.
It has two USB ports and i did mount two USB OSX drives which i could read files in image and movie formats on the iPad all sweet - chrome casting unless you export a movie in iTunes to the format for use on a iPod or ipad your see noting on the chrome cast.

As a sales person said in the shop, the home cloud drives are more 2004 idea, everyone to use cloud on line.

Example LumaFusion has import button and an upload button to many choices I choose drop box 227 mb's file uploaded speeds here are upload 1.2 mbs some time later under an hr upload complete to drop box.

So for me using video files and stock images the online cloud service does not help me at all were in a grade listed area and no fibre available.

I very much like to be able to edit a movie on ipad, mess around with some graphics and export in a format of my choice to a wifi drive in the home and access these files as the speed will be improved and currently i have no way to access the hard drive with my stock images unless i buy a desk top mac again.

I did look into this area recently but when i asked can i connect the fire wire wire drives (they also have USB) to the all new mac book pro or iMac the answer came back with yes buy an adapter, one for fire wire one for USB and so on a couple should work. Their cheap as chips about £49 a pop !

And to be honest the whole affair just made me re think, hence the wifi option in my view has potentional in general use.
I have become quite used to editing and altering images with the apps i bought recently they replaced the final cut and photoshop i used on the desk top.

So for now i stick with this preferred method of work flow.
Hope that helps any questions do ask.

For now WD and Seagate will be able to do what you wish to achieve.

HooToo do a wireless hub router portable plug in USB memory sticks and so on, sounds great but their only support FAT 32 windows no OSX formatted hard drives. Shame as at £50 and portable this would resolve all issues and you can take it with you:)

The Seagate and Weston Dig you can log in remotely (depends upon your internet speeds) to what and how it function, IE low upload when away slow.

Seagate also provides Plesk and other areas of some use.

Top tip enter the App Store look at the app see last update as when IOS 11 arrives your be upset if you buy a drive and the app not updated all will become useless unless you can plug in a USB to a desk top which the WD you can so their for you can access your files.

Well provided you have a USB port that is new macs have none your need to buy an adapter.

Apologies for long post its a big subject and I for one would very much like to see a developer make an app happen. For now i have hit SALR.

Saturated Anabatic Lapse Rate has hit the ceiling of the cloud base and icloud not for many users. It maybe the future but not in countries with slower than average speeds.
 
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You can sync with DropBox every time You save your creation/file. Dropbox will constantly sync any folder or file you tell it to do so.

I'm talking about subscription-less, unlimited (except by the size of your hard drive), automatic, complete iPad backups at home, just like Macs and time machine. Dropbox is not a complete device backup, nor is it subscription-less/unlimited. Not to mention the autosave function only works for a few apps, and the folder sync function is paid only.
 

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I'm talking about subscription-less, unlimited (except by the size of your hard drive), automatic, complete iPad backups at home, just like Macs and time machine. Dropbox is not a complete device backup, nor is it subscription-less/unlimited. Not to mention the autosave function only works for a few apps, and the folder sync function is paid only.

Sorry I had no idea you wanted all of these features for free!:rolleyes:

Good Luck.
 

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I'm talking about subscription-less, unlimited (except by the size of your hard drive), automatic, complete iPad backups at home, just like Macs and time machine. Dropbox is not a complete device backup, nor is it subscription-less/unlimited. Not to mention the autosave function only works for a few apps, and the folder sync function is paid only.
you will never get free un limited storage as servers need to be maintained
 

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Sorry I had no idea you wanted all of these features for free!:rolleyes:

Good Luck.

I said subscription-less. As I said before, I'd be willing to do a one time purchase of any software and/or hardware required. It would be exactly like Macs and time machine, which is free (or at least included in the price of a Mac), so I don't know why you would think it's so crazy.

you will never get free un limited storage as servers need to be maintained

I don't want to use their servers. Not sure how many times I have to say "backup at home only".
 

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I said subscription-less. As I said before, I'd be willing to do a one time purchase of any software and/or hardware required. It would be exactly like Macs and time machine, which is free (or at least included in the price of a Mac), so I don't know why you would think it's so crazy.

It is crazy as any service that you expect to maintain and secure your files for long periods or time will want a constant payment for same. What, do you think like $10 will store it for you use forever?:p

You got to pay if you want to play. That is life.
 
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It is crazy as any service that you expect to maintain and secure your files for long periods or time will want a constant payment for same. What, do you think like $10 will store it for you use forever?:p

You got to pay if you want to play. That is life.

Where did you get this idea that I expect to pay $10 and have backups for life? Or that I don't want to pay what something is worth? I think you might be projecting statements on me that you've heard from other people. I've said several times that I want to pay whatever the cost is of what I need. iCloud isn't what I need. What I need is more along the lines of time machine. (Do you know what time machine is? Sorry if I've been making the assumption that you knew. It just occurred to me from your comments that you might not know.)
 
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Sorry I had no idea you wanted all of these features for free!:rolleyes:

Good Luck.
you will never get free un limited storage as servers need to be maintained
It is crazy as any service that you expect to maintain and secure your files for long periods or time will want a constant payment for same. What, do you think like $10 will store it for you use forever?:p

You got to pay if you want to play. That is life.

Is it really that hard to understand that some people are looking for a combination of hardware and software that will allow them to do full backups of their iOS device?

No one has requested free options, we are discussing the lack of a basic feature that should be available.
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I'm talking about subscription-less, unlimited (except by the size of your hard drive), automatic, complete iPad backups at home, just like Macs and time machine. Dropbox is not a complete device backup, nor is it subscription-less/unlimited. Not to mention the autosave function only works for a few apps, and the folder sync function is paid only.

Discussion is regarding availability of local, hardware-based backup storage solutions that's not tied to iTunes. You buy and maintain your own "backup server".

Where did you get this idea that I expect to pay $10 and have backups for life? Or that I don't want to pay what something is worth? I think you might be projecting statements on me that you've heard from other people. I've said several times that I want to pay whatever the cost is of what I need. iCloud isn't what I need. What I need is more along the lines of time machine. (Do you know what time machine is? Sorry if I've been making the assumption that you knew. It just occurred to me from your comments that you might not know.)

It is obvious that some people are finding it hard to comprehend that there are those of us who would like to be able to manage our own backups.

It is such a basic feature that the only reason for it no to be implemented is a shameless money grab from Apple.
 

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It is crazy as any service that you expect to maintain and secure your files for long periods or time will want a constant payment for same. What, do you think like $10 will store it for you use forever?:p

You got to pay if you want to play. That is life.

Why can you not see what has been said over and over and over again. Those of us that want OUR OWN PURCHASED (so it is paid for, just differently) HARD DRIVE for backing up and as has also been said before if you don't have access to cloud based systems due to lack of or poor service then you would be able to back up. I have to use satellite for my internet at home and have no cell coverage so a stand alone hard drive back up for iOS would suit me as my time machine does for my iMac.

No one is saying we want it for free.
 

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Honestly don't know where you are coming from. It's just a discussion thread of what could be available if the iPad were to become a true laptop replacement and what it could need to achieve it.

Some of us would like to make our decision to do it locally and not be forced to use third parties so I really don't understand your comment about not backing up. The reality is we all do them.
 
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I reckon those who don't want to use iCloud are just backing up to their desktops or laptops via iTunes. Of course, a more elegant backup solution is preferable and that is the discussion at hand.

I take no chances with my data and use the cloud but also back up to iTunes, just in case.

Seems they are wanting a complete backup including all apps and even the OS. Not sure what good that would do as there would be no way to restore it.
 
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I can't speak for others but IF a hard drive backup was available I would only be backing up docs, photos etc. it would not be for the OS, apps or a restore. iTunes would do that for me.
 

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I too back up to both iCloud and iTunes. iCloud backs up on its own every night, of course, but since I have to plug my devices into my Mac mini, they only get backed up there once a week or so. Not bad, but could be better. I just wish I could wirelessly back up to the mini every night like I back up to iCloud. I'd still do both for redundancy. iTunes already has wifi syncing, so there seems no reason why we shouldn't be able to do this other than the fact that Apple seems to be pushing us toward iCloud usage.

I also have wanted for a long time for both backup options to have something closer to how time machine works on the mac. Sometimes I just want to be able to restore just one app or file without having to restore the entire freaking device (and therefore losing everything else I might have saved since). The trash folders that some apps have definitely helps but not every app has that.
 

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Seems they are wanting a complete backup including all apps and even the OS. Not sure what good that would do as there would be no way to restore it.

Apple could certainly come up with a way to do it if they wanted to.

I agree that this is one of my list of "hinderances" to switching to an iPad as a laptop replacement... those of us who don't want to rely on external sources being able to back up devices redundantly locally have no way of doing that without some laptop/desktop to do back up and restore.
 
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