iPad & Flash (seriously, nothing negative, just read)

[darngooddesign]

What flash-using sites do you visit that you are willing to pay $50 for?

All of them I'd guess.

I've come to the conclusion that the people who don't want Flash on their iPhones don't like to have fun on the internet.

No videos, no games, no rich sites, no silly flash sites that are fun diversions, etc. Just RSS feeds, message boards and the WSJ I guess ;D . I have no hard evidence to support it but I've extrapolated this from thew majority of anti-flash comments which usually mention removing ads or those Flash sites which are done poorly (bad designers and coders are bad regardless of whether its AS3 or HTML5).

What I've observed places this halfway between opinion and fact.

PS. I'd pay $10 for it.

 

[anthonymoody]

I'm quite sure Apple and Adobe will add Flash support to the iPad in the near future since it's definitely a very important feature for users. .

Umm...seriously? i don't think you've been paying close enough attention. SJ is vitriolic about Flash (and rightly so IMO). This is different than him simply being dismissive as he has been about other products and product features in the past ('no one reads books anymore', 'who would watch video on a 2" screen?', etc.) Flash will never officially come to the iPad. Get over it.

ComScore thinks web browsing will be THE most likely activity on the iPad. I suggest future iPad owners take the time now to add a flash blocker to their current PC (not iphone or Touch) browser. Then visit all the sites you would normally visit. Counting on the absence of flash to not be an issue is risky, especially when we can try it right now.

I too use a flash blocker and do not find it to be an issue at all. In fact to the contrary - sites load WAY faster, and i hardly get any spinning beachballs at all. Used to get them when opening multiple tabs...

As to unofficially doing it, as has been pointed out, the methods on a JB'd iPhone have been subpar at best. Sure, maybe someone will redouble their efforts for a device with a larger screen (i.e. that much better for video).

But I doubt it.

 

[Night Spring]

I've come to the conclusion that the people who don't want Flash on their iPhones don't like to have fun on the internet.

No videos, no games, no rich sites, no silly flash sites that are fun diversions, etc. Just RSS feeds, message boards and the WSJ I guess ;D.

Not sure what you mean by "rich sites," but videos, games and silly fun stuff are covered on the iPhone/iPod/iPad -- I can watch any number of videos that I've downloaded/ripped or bought from iTunes, and I have apps for games and fun silly stuff. Maybe I do just mainly read news and forums on the web, but that doesn't mean I'm not having fun on my iDevices!

 

[bossxii]

All of them I'd guess.

I've come to the conclusion that the people who don't want Flash on their iPhones don't like to have fun on the internet.

No videos, no games, no rich sites, no silly flash sites that are fun diversions, etc. Just RSS feeds, message boards and the WSJ I guess ;D . I have no hard evidence to support it but I've extrapolated this from thew majority of anti-flash comments which usually mention removing ads or those Flash sites which are done poorly (bad designers and coders are bad regardless of whether its AS3 or HTML5).

What I've observed places this halfway between opinion and fact.

PS. I'd pay $10 for it.

Have you even used flash on any phone? Flash "lite" is all that's been available to the few devices that actually run it. Which based on what I've read, flash lite will only render/play content pre 2004? 05?

Not sure how awesome any flash site is going to be on a 4" screen where a mouse cursor is designed to open a menu, or navigate the site built 5 or 6 years ago. Clearly full flash sites are not optimized for a 4" screen or for the cell networks bandwidth restrictions. Load times would be insane if they loaded at all.

It's interesting to me that even MS with it's new WinMo7 Series doesn't currently support flash. Mozilla's Firefox mobile won't allow it either... add Apple to the mix and you have a fairly large portion of the mobile device/browser companies saying flash doesn't run worth a **** on our product so were either A) not allowing it (Apple/Mozilla) or B) May try to implement it if they fix it/improve it. (MS engineer stated this on recent Endgaget show)

 

[guycross]

https://www.macrumors.com/2010/03/24/cbs-com-prepping-html5-video-playback-for-ipad/

The link above explains my post - I think more and more content providers are going to ditch flash simply to make sure iPad/Phone browsers hit their sites.

We are rich and happy to spend - why wouldn't advertisers/content providers (the line is pretty blurry) want us to be reading/watching/listneing to their content.

More and more sites will ditch flash

 

[kernkraft]

no need to jailbeak your ipad if you ask me.

I would ask you, actually... Will this thing support Flash? Does the iPhone do that without jailbreaking?

 

[citi]

I find the whole experience much faster since i'm on a relatively slow 3mb cable connection. .

sidebar...

This is why none of our arguments hold an ounce of weight! You are calling you 3MB connection slow. 3 Years ago that would have been considered a premiun tier connection.

Geez, We are spoiled...

 

[MikhailT]

sidebar...

This is why none of our arguments hold an ounce of weight! You are calling you 3MB connection slow. 3 Years ago that would have been considered a premiun tier connection.

Geez, We are spoiled...

It is slow, we're talking about 375kbps here, good luck trying to watch a good quality streaming. Hulu 480P would buffer a lot on that connection. Imagine a family of four doing stuff on the Internet, it would be slow as hell.

You're wrong about the time, unfortunately, 3Mbps is still a premium tier connection. Majority of DSL's max speed around the country is 3-5Mbps, not to mention the whole country averages around that speed, 3-5Mbps. Not everybody can get cable either and that's currently around 8-10Mbps. The congress really needs to mandate the FCC's broadband plan to get us to speed.

 

[citi]

It is slow, we're talking about 375kbps here, good luck trying to watch a good quality streaming. Hulu 480P would buffer a lot on that connection. Imagine a family of four doing stuff on the Internet, it would be slow as hell.

You're wrong about the time, unfortunately, 3Mbps is still a premium tier connection. Majority of DSL's max speed around the country is 3-5Mbps, not to mention the whole country averages around that speed, 3-5Mbps. Not everybody can get cable either and that's currently around 8-10Mbps. The congress really needs to mandate the FCC's broadband plan to get us to speed.

Interesting, in Cali I'm on ATT Uverser and 3mb is middle of the line for me and the thing flys. That includes XBOX Netflix, PS3 Streaming WI, and 4 wireless computers. The one above mine is 7+MBS tier. Maybe it's me that spoiled.

 

[sishaw]

What would the developer get out of it?

I would easily pay $50 for such an app if it wasn't buggy.

In the extremely rare event that I just HAVE to see something in Flash, I would...wait until I get home and use my regular computer, and pocket the $50. As would pretty much everyone.

 

[MikhailT]

Interesting, in Cali I'm on ATT Uverser and 3mb is middle of the line for me and the thing flys. That includes XBOX Netflix, PS3 Streaming WI, and 4 wireless computers. The one above mine is 7+MBS tier. Maybe it's me that spoiled.

You're using all of that at same time and they're all good quality with no buffering? I find that hard to believe considering my experience with VOIP, live TV streaming for 4-8 hours daily, 4 computers with some people using Skype video chats, sometime Xbox/PS3 gaming. Wouldn't work with 3Mbps connection, 15Mbps works perfectly with no buffering or any quality issue (unfortunately, overloaded nodes is a constant issue here, so we upgraded to 30Mbps and we never had any issues with overloaded nodes, but we don't need more than 15Mbps).

 

[Bytor65]

I'm quite sure Apple and Adobe will add Flash support to the iPad in the near future since it's definitely a very important feature for users. Just like video on the iPod, I guess it'll happen but Apple won't admit it until the very last moment.

So you are sure about things when you actually have no clue and are likely wrong?

Jobs and Adobe are publicly attacking each other over flash.

Meanwhile there is rush by content providers to become iPad compatible, meaning less and less need for iPad flash as time passes.

If flash is a must have, don't buy an iPad, because you are never going to see Flash support. Get over it and move on.