Its like a BMW vs a Toyota. both great cars. both get u where you need to go just one does it more expensively not necessarily better.
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Its like a BMW vs a Toyota. both great cars. both get u where you need to go just one does it more expensively not necessarily better.
Great point! It's nice to know you get the luxury class with the Nexus AND at half the price.
Then don't justify it, purchase something elseThis thread is utterly redundant...
So is your post
This is not the big problem that people love to make it out to be.
I was handling both just yesterday and there basically is no difference in build quality. They both feel great...unless it *has* to be metal. I've owned tablets for more than 2 years, and I can count on one hand the amount of times I've actually used the rear facing camera.
I'd much prefer the GPS and NFC in the Nexus 7. Much more useful.
This is 100% rubbish.
If you can't justify an iPad Mini, then you shouldn't be buying the Nexus 7 either to be honest. You're not saving money, you're just giving a reason for Google to talk you into buying content, and you will because the device is so cheap, it'll leave extra money in your pocket to do so.
to each their own, that's how I would justify an ipad mini. but i know for sure that there is no 'class' difference between the two. that class reasoning is rubbish - they're both high quality consumer products
as for the 100% rubbish thing. I don't believe that.
Open the same website on iOS and Nexus 7, on iOS, it looks better. The typography looks better, the display is more accurately calibrated, and the scrolling momentum is more natural. Open the photo app, which is more elegant? the keyboard even, which looks cleaner?
For some people, maybe yourself, those things may not be worth $50...you may even pay $50 to go the other way. You might hate the simplistic approach of iOS, but for a lot of people, like me, I feel that the tablet OS is more polished on iOS. Android on tablet feels too much like a scaled up phone OS with no extra work. So, no, not 100% rubbish.
on phones however, I feel Android is miles ahead.
ps: i dont own a mini, have no plans to
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And yet here you are, quiet clearly a blind Apple zealot posting your biased drivel in the alternatives to iOS sub forum.
Yet I'm a huge fan of non-iOS devices like HTC's Droid DNA and Nexus 4 and Lumia. I'm clearly a blind Apple zealot praising HTC and LG and Nokia. Calling someone a zealot instead of trying to refute my argument of factual information means you've lost the argument. A better non-Apple tablet than the Nexus 7 would be the Nook or Kindle Fire.
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Is it not plastic? Is it not cheap build quality? Some people reported that their screens would come apart from the casing because the clips weren't in place. While wireless is welcome and more futuristic than a cable, cable is more flexible. I can give a PowerPoint via any projector with an iPad. I just did this a few days ago. But unless the projector is wireless enabled, I can't do that with a Nexus 7. While some people say back cameras aren't needed and we all look stupid for using it, it's still a feature that the iPad has that Nexus7 doesn't. And it's a rather good camera too. I used it to record video for a project yesterday and edited it using iMovie. Can the Nexus 7 do this? No. Everything I said are facts. I'm a developer, I write apps for both iOS and Android and I'm working on BlackBerry and WP8 atm. I have seen very few Android apps optimized for a tablet. Most are what I say, blown up smartphone apps. I'd love to see better Android tablet apps. Competition makes everyone make better stuff.
Honestly, there aren't many full featured Android tablets that are good. Samsung's Galaxy is good but hardware is a bit old. Googles problem with tablets is not hardware, it's software. There's a reason why iPad mini is $329, because it can every single thing a full size iPad can do no exceptions. It has two cameras, fast A5 SoC, video out, and a screen that is smaller but not small. Nexus 7 has many trade offs both software and hardware.
And yet the build quality, OS, and hardware of the Nexus 7 is superior to both these tablets. That's really strange that you would suggest those tablets...it's almost as if you're willing to endorse pretty much everything over a pure Android tablet.
There were some issues with a very small proportion of the first run of Nexus 7's which has since been rectified.
The nexus 7 is significantly cheaper.
It has a great build quality, it's definitely on par with iPad mini. All the reviews I have read agree that the build quality of the Nexus 7 is great.
It has a far superior CPU.
It has a far superior screen.
It has NFC and GPS, both of which are far more useful on a tablet than a rear facing camera. My phone has a camera and I've never been somewhere with my tablet and not my phone. GPS wouldnt be much use on the iPad mini given Apple Maps.
It's funny, I've never had a problem finding the tablet optimised apps i require. Bottom line is neither you nor I know how many there are.
You're right: https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=16295507#post16295507
There you are, complaining that the screen resolution on the DNA is too high. You've also managed to bring up the performance issues Anand found on the pre release hardware and software of the Nexus 4. Those issues are not present on the shipping Nexus 4. Either you've been deceptively selective in bringing it up or just plain old ignorant.
It's a slow 2 year old chip
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I just said the problem is SOFTWARE. Not HARDWARE. I really like the Kindle Fire. It's got a lot of quality content ala SOFTWARE. Same with Nook.
The back is plastic, yes. This makes it a lot easier to hold. The aluminum back of the iPads is cold, slippery, and uncomfortable. Plasitc, in this case, is the better solution. Also, note that part of the back of all cellular iPads is also plastic.
No, it's not cheap build quality.
Yes, some people did. Some people report issues with build quality on every Apple product made as well. Look at the iPhone 5 screen issues (and the screen issues of countless previous Apple products). Defects happen, and as often to Apple as elsewhere.
True. You can't do that with a Nexus 7 - although for the $130 difference, you could by a device to connect wirelessly. That said, the number of people who use iPad Minis to give PowerPoint presentations via a cabled connector is exceedingly small. Maybe just you and, last year, me.
As I said, I grant the back camera as a plus. Of course, for the $260 I save buying a 32GB N7 with cellular over the comparable iPad Mini, I could buy a nice dedicated camcorder, and a fairly decent one for the almost $200 I'd save if I went with non-cellular versions.
I find this surprising, since most of the apps on my N7 are either tablet-centric or don't look like "blown up smartphone apps." I agree that competition is good, but I think it's a lot farther along than you do. Perhaps we just use different types of apps.
We have very, very different views of that. And I don't think we'll change each other's minds.
I like the iPad Mini. I do. But I don't like it for $329 minimum, and I don't think it feels good when held. I completely grant that it's gorgeous. I like the other camera. But... I don't like the lack of GPS, the lessor resolution, the aluminum back, and so on.
Related: I'm typing this on a Chromebook and not the MBA next to me. Why? It's cold in here and the MBA is harsh in the cold, and the edges feel sharp. The plastic of the Chromebook feels much more comfortable. In this case, I'm not even going to begin to say they're similar - remember, I have both and use the MBA for anything besides surfing and email - but in some cases, excellent visual design impedes comfortable use.
Huh?!? The Kindle Fire uses Android apps. The only difference is that the Amazon market has nowhere near as many as its a smaller subset of the Google Play market.
If you're talking about the OS, the Kindle fire is running an older, inferior, more locked down version of Android which performs nowhere near as well as Jelly Bean.
The Fire also misses out on the excellent Google Apps.
Have you actually used any of these devices for any length of time?
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Content is not just apps. I should have been more clear. Amazon is making the Fire primarily for people to consume their Instant Video service and of course apps. Google Play is getting there but as of right now Amazon has more content. In terms of apps, Amazon curates the store whereas any and every app is approved by Google for Play. So quality is better with Amazon's walled garden. Amazon is no just any other Android tablet manufacturer. They are trying to create a content ecosystem like iTunes + iPod.
I was very tempted to get a Nexus 7 but after seeing it at a store, I felt it was too small to do anything useful. While one of the main reasons that its good is that it's pure Android and doesn't have the UI crap like TouchWiz or Moto Blur, I found the lack of a back camera and output port to be drawbacks. I felt that it was trying really hard to be a full featured tablet but lacks something so basic as a output port and back camera. Other tablets like Nook and Kindle Fire aren't trying to be full featured tablets. They are just purely media consumption devices and its quite clear that its not a general purpose tablet like Surface or iPad. They do a really good job being media consumption devices.
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I agree that Amazon has done an absolutely stellar job with the Kindle Fire line - it makes it so, so, soooo easy to spend money, and the user experience is good... as long as you stay in the garden. To me, it's a dedicated media device without a lot of other use (other than buying things off Amazon), but it's a damned fine dedicated media device.
Regarding Chrome OS/Chromebooks - I agree, tablets are generally better deals, but I'm taking a family trip to Disney World soon for a while, and the keyboard, easy emailing, and so on - as well as Flash for clubpenguin.com (a must!), well... it's worth it.
Well yea, you should have. First you go on about the Nexus hardware and I refute that stuff, then you say NO NO NO, I meant software, which I again refuted... now its MEDIA MEDIA MEDIA.
YES, this is my point. Nexus 7 is trying to fight with Kindle Fire and Nook and iPad all at the same time. It's a jack of all trades and master of none. I don't think it does well in either category, full feature tablet vs media consumption. Apple isn't trying to compete directly with dedicated media devices like Kindle Fire, it's trying to make an easier entry point for the iPad. Also, if the so called PC era is any indication of the future mobile era of tablets and smartphones, we need multiple form factors. Apple doesn't just sell one size laptop, they sell 3 different sizes and even two different product lines of the 13" size. There's also desktops and mini desktops and full size towers.
The Nexus 7 isn't trying to be a pure media consumption device any more than iPad. How do you come to this conclusion? iPad has iTunes for Movies, TV and Music and iBooks for books. Android has Play Books, Play Movies, Play Music, Play Magazines.
How is this any different? Is it different because one is an iPad and one isn't? What are you even talking about?
Also, how is the iPad a "full featured" tablet? I can't even get access to the file system or do basic things like set default apps or have proper multitasking. In fact if anything I would argue that Android is much more full featured and has LESS focus on media consumption and paid-for apps than iPad.
And I'm not pulling this stuff out my arse, I have a 10.1" Android tab, a Nexus 7 and an iPad right here in front of me.... I use these devices daily, I didn't just pick one up in a store for 5 minutes, come to all sorts of biased conclusions and then run home to try and propagate them all over an internet forum.
Does this stuff that you come up with make sense to you when it's rattling around in your head?
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Wrong. It's a second version of a two year old chip. Its not the same exact part as the original A5. Its using a newer manufacturing process. I didn't complain, I said that its overkill. Overall, the DNA is an excellent phone. I love it. The screen is a bit overkill but the again I think iPhone is bit overkill on thinness. It's not a complaint, just an observation.
NFC is more useless than a camera. Although GPS is more useful than either camera or NFC. And also, look at benchmarks, the iPad mini outperforms the Nexus 7. AnandTech has some. Overall, the Nexus 7 is better at being a dedicated media device than full feature tablet like iPad BUT I find more and better content like apps, games, movies, TV shows, etc. on Kindle Fire than Nexus 7.
Once Google or whomever builds the next Nexus 7 tablet adds a back camera and video output with video output being more preferred, then I will change my opinion. For now, it's a glorified dedicated media device that doesn't do as good of a job as Kindle Fire or Nook.
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You seem to think full feature tablet means full featured OS which iOS is not. There is not as much content on Play as there is on iTunes or Amazon. The main problem I have with it is no output port.
Yea, I know GPS is more useful. And in your initial "unbiased" comparison between the Nexus 7 and iPad mini, you went on at length about what a downfall it was that the Nexus 7 didn't have a rear facing camera, but you didn't even mention that the Nexus 7 has GPS (which by your own later admission is a more useful feature).
How is this unbiased? You compared the two and when you felt the Nexus was better in some way, you just purposefully didn't mention it. Then you have a gall to become indignant when I accused you of bias towards the iPad.
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You've drawn a distinction between two types of tablets. Those that are "full featured" and those that are primarily content focused. I know this because in your last post you said the Nexus 7 was trying to be both these things and failing to be a "jack of all trades". Now you are telling me that "full featured" actually means content focused?
You're changing your story with every post you make. Please, at least pick a cohesive, consistent line of discussion.
Just to remind you of you initial "unbiased" comparison:
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There are lots of features that I think are useful on both platforms that I didn't mention. Android is customizable. That's useful in certain cases. iOS devices have a home button which is useful and better than taking screen space like on Android. I can go on and on. Saying I admitted GPS is useful implies I said otherwise before. The Nexus is cheaper but can't do some tasks that the more expensive iPad mini can. That's obvious. But what makes it better than iPad? Cheap price? Yes but there are trade offs. Maybe it doesn't matter to you but it's worth noting.
just get the device you want...
I think this whole value thing is kind of silly. $200-$250 isn't equal to zero dollars. It is still an investment. And if you really (I mean can't pay the bills kind of really) can't afford the $329 minbut that is what YOU want then you should save up rather than spending almost as much for something you don't want.
I am typing this from a Nexus 7 BTW. In my opinion price isn't what you should be considering. Instead consider ecosystem ui design etc. Basically figure out what features you want. For me I chose the nexus 7 because I like android and the nexus 7 ui doesn't make me have to deal with tiny fonts which for me personally is a deal breaker. But if someone would be happiest with an iPad mini then I don't think it makes sense to only spend $199 on a tablet they don't want. Just my 2 cents
I think this whole value thing is kind of silly. $200-$250 isn't equal to zero dollars. It is still an investment. And if you really (I mean can't pay the bills kind of really) can't afford the $329 minbut that is what YOU want then you should save up rather than spending almost as much for something you don't want.
I am typing this from a Nexus 7 BTW. In my opinion price isn't what you should be considering. Instead consider ecosystem ui design etc. Basically figure out what features you want. For me I chose the nexus 7 because I like android and the nexus 7 ui doesn't make me have to deal with tiny fonts which for me personally is a deal breaker. But if someone would be happiest with an iPad mini then I don't think it makes sense to only spend $199 on a tablet they don't want. Just my 2 cents
So is your post
And that comment isn't ?
Oh no, I think we've ended into a 'redundant perpetual vortex' started by the OP's original inane post...