Ipad Pro 12.9 users would you hoping for the next gen?

[DaniJoy]

6-8gb ram, 4 is way to small for digital art. I cant open my professional files on the ipad. its too weak.

upgrade the awful apple pencil (bettter on screen feel, get rid of the battery, buttons, floating cursor to help with lack of accuracy)

System wide ICC profiles for color critical workflows (photography, digital art)

OLED panel.

If i get half of these ill upgrade, otherwise ill ditch it for a wacom stylus window tablet. battery life be dammed but at least i can do all the thing I need to do.

Processor is good enough for its intended light duty purposes, and the latency of the pencil is good enough for even the best draftsmen.

 

[cvtem]

We won't see usb-c replacing lightning. Soon enough usb-c and lightning will be gone and replaced with wireless-only interfaces.

That one item would make me upgrade, very unlikely anything else will.

The world runs on USB C and USB A, my phone, my MacBook, my switch, in fact, pretty much everything which isn’t outdated.

As for wireless, well, in the many many years it’s been in use, it started poor, and it is still poor.
I really doubt any power hungry device will adopt it any time soon, especially considering most people here want faster charging (you know, something USB C would help bring), would go the opposite way with Wireless.

 

[spacebro]

That one item would make me upgrade, very unlikely anything else will.

The world runs on USB C and USB A, my phone, my MacBook, my switch, in fact, pretty much everything which isn’t outdated.

As for wireless, well, in the many many years it’s been in use, it started poor, and it is still poor.
I really doubt any power hungry device will adopt it any time soon, especially considering most people here want faster charging (you know, something USB C would help bring), would go the opposite way with Wireless.

Everyone will go qi charging soon. It seems inferior because it is slower but its better. You just set your phone down on its spot when you are at your desk or at your coffee table and never have to think about charging anymore.

 

[ericwn]

Everyone will go qi charging soon. It seems inferior because it is slower but its better. You just set your phone down on its spot when you are at your desk or at your coffee table and never have to think about charging anymore.

Looking at how slow my iPad Pro charges with a cable I’m not looking forward to charging it wirelessly for twice the time.

 

[sracer]

Wow, I'm so out of touch with other 12.9 iPad Pro owners. I don't have a problem with the bezels at all but most others do.

The only hardware-specific changes I'd look for is moving the front-facing camera from the top bezel in portrait mode to the top bezel in landscape mode (opposite from the smart connector). It makes no sense to have a front facing camera that is designed for portrait mode when nothing that Apple provides (keyboard or cover) supports the iPad in portrait mode.

The areas that I'd like to see improvement on has to do with peripherals and iOS itself. Update iOS to support USB-attached devices and pointing devices, and produce a smart keyboard that includes a trackpad.

I don’t think touch tablets are going to replace traditional k+m laptops. The two form factors are very different with different strengths and weaknesses. I think they’ll both exist side by side for a long time. If anything will replace either, I think it will be AR.

I thought that too, until... buying a Lenovo Yoga Book (Android version). I now believe that it is technically possible today to do it, but companies are simply not brave enough to do it and make the required case for it to consumers. The keyboard on the retina Macbook paired with an iPad in a permanently mounted configuration & 360 hinge would go a long way toward that.

 

[spacebro]

Looking at how slow my iPad Pro charges with a cable I’m not looking forward to charging it wirelessly for twice the time.

Yeah, the iPad does charge slow because the adapter is only 12 watts. They might be able to do a qi charging pad that uses the whole surface area of the iPad and get like 2-5x more than the 7.5 watts of normal qi charging. Even 7.5 watts would be fine for iPad pro if you always set it down on the pad when not using it.
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Wow, I'm so out of touch with other 12.9 iPad Pro owners. I don't have a problem with the bezels at all but most others do.

The only hardware-specific changes I'd look for is moving the front-facing camera from the top bezel in portrait mode to the top bezel in landscape mode (opposite from the smart connector). It makes no sense to have a front facing camera that is designed for portrait mode when nothing that Apple provides (keyboard or cover) supports the iPad in portrait mode.

The areas that I'd like to see improvement on has to do with peripherals and iOS itself. Update iOS to support USB-attached devices and pointing devices, and produce a smart keyboard that includes a trackpad.



I thought that too, until... buying a Lenovo Yoga Book (Android version). I now believe that it is technically possible today to do it, but companies are simply not brave enough to do it and make the required case for it to consumers. The keyboard on the retina Macbook paired with an iPad in a permanently mounted configuration & 360 hinge would go a long way toward that.

I don't think they will ever add a keyboard to the iPad. The soft keyboard is decent enough now, I'm seeing only 30% lower WPM after trying to use the soft keyboard all the time. They will only make it better from here probably have force touch or some programmable texture pretty soon. Soft keyboard is good enough now if people try to use it. At some point the soft keyboard will be clearly better than a keyboard because you can so easily reach autocorrect and do text selection and cursor movement by touching the screen right near where your fingers already are.

 

[sracer]

Yeah, the iPad does charge slow because the adapter is only 12 watts. They might be able to do a qi charging pad that uses the whole surface area of the iPad and get like 2-5x more than the 7.5 watts of normal qi charging. Even 7.5 watts would be fine for iPad pro if you always set it down on the pad when not using it.
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I don't think they will ever add a keyboard to the iPad. The soft keyboard is decent enough now, I'm seeing only 30% lower WPM after trying to use the soft keyboard all the time. They will only make it better from here probably have force touch or some programmable texture pretty soon. Soft keyboard is good enough now if people try to use it. At some point the soft keyboard will be clearly better than a keyboard because you can so easily reach autocorrect and do text selection and cursor movement by touching the screen right near where your fingers already are.

That is fine for many use cases, but falls woefully short when using something like a spreadsheet and needing to highlight a group of cells.

By "soft keyboard" are you referring to the "onscreen keyboard"? Apple already makes a physical keyboard for the iPad but that has some deficiencies.

 

[Ries]

OLED maybe, but seeing what Apple did to the price by slapping a X on it, property wouldn't buy it even if they did that.

 

[subjonas]

I thought that too, until... buying a Lenovo Yoga Book (Android version). I now believe that it is technically possible today to do it, but companies are simply not brave enough to do it and make the required case for it to consumers. The keyboard on the retina Macbook paired with an iPad in a permanently mounted configuration & 360 hinge would go a long way toward that.

That seems like more of a hybrid, especially if it supports mouse input. I think hybrids at a certain size range can fit a lot of people’s needs well, but the disadvantages are that as a tablet it’s heavier (because of the fixed keyboard), and as a laptop it has a less robust UI (because it has to accommodate touch input). So I think there are also many who want to keep them as separate devices. And of course outside of the size range, there are those who want small dainty tablets that are too small to transform into laptops, and large heavy duty work station laptops that are too big to transform into tablets. My point again simply being that laptops and tablets will continue to coexist, as will hybrids probably.

And I’m actually in almost every camp. I want small dedicated tablets, large dedicated laptops (actually I would like it to convert, but not for touch input, only pen input for work), and a hybrid—either in the form of a permanent 360 hinge keyboard on the 12.9” iPad Pro, or a 360 hinge retina MacBook with pen input (no touch). I find I don’t use this type of device casually like a small tablet, so I’m fine with the extra weight so that I don’t have to mess with the flappy keyboard.

I’m with you on the bezels.

 

[cvtem]

Everyone will go qi charging soon. It seems inferior because it is slower but its better. You just set your phone down on its spot when you are at your desk or at your coffee table and never have to think about charging anymore.

I don’t remember the first phone I had with qi, nexus 4 I think.
And I got excited too, bought a heap of pads, so on.
I think it charged at 5 watts... turned out to be more hassle than worth it.
You need to have it flat against a pad. It needs to be the right spot. Can’t move it when charging. Charges very slow.

We are what now, 6 years later, and seeing it pushed to 7.5 Watts in devices, and up to 10w in the standard.
And guess what else has doubled in capacity... the batteries and current draw thereof.
The iPad is 39 w/hr. While Li-Po charge efficiency is about 99% when cool, qi is about 80%. The lost energy is heat.
That heat reduces the efficiency of the Li-Po charging.
Long story short, it’s only about 75% efficient overall.
The 10w standard results in, you guessed it, 7.5w effective.
So if it takes 5 hours to charge (best case) we have also wasted 12.5w/hr in power as heat.

On what basis is it better?
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I don't think they will ever add a keyboard to the iPad. The soft keyboard is decent enough now, I'm seeing only 30% lower WPM after trying to use the soft keyboard all the time. They will only make it better from here probably have force touch or some programmable texture pretty soon. Soft keyboard is good enough now if people try to use it. At some point the soft keyboard will be clearly better than a keyboard because you can so easily reach autocorrect and do text selection and cursor movement by touching the screen right near where your fingers already are.

I am not a fast typer, but I’m also not slow, about 70 wpm on my mechanical keyboard, about 60 on my mbp, and about 40 on a virtual keyboard.
Big but... my accuracy also drops with that, from.. a guess, 95% to 90% on keyboard to MacBook, to 80% on virtual keyboard. Then autocorrect steps in to reduce that even further!

While I’m not saying I expect or want a keyboard attached permenantly, it’s not suitable for typing much on.
Neither is the yogas keyboard!

Leave it as is, and a removable keyboard as needed.

 

[spacebro]

That is fine for many use cases, but falls woefully short when using something like a spreadsheet and needing to highlight a group of cells.

By "soft keyboard" are you referring to the "onscreen keyboard"? Apple already makes a physical keyboard for the iPad but that has some deficiencies.

A spreadsheet is great on iPad. You just drag a selection range with your fingers. That is what designers wanted in the beginning but they had to compromise with a mouse and approximate with a touchpad.