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macsound1

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Are you opposed to the "regular" iPad for $329?
I have the 2017 iPad and procreate works great for me. I don't typically have more than 5-6 layers but have never experienced any issues with functionality including PSD export.
 

Leatherstrip

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I see, I am from French Switzerland, so I totally see your point... Hope you'll manage to find a good unit at a decent price soon...
Yes, thanks! If I don't, maybe I get something else, or I stay at a screenless pen tablet. Time will tell, I will stay flexible and adapt to the situation.
Are you opposed to the "regular" iPad for $329?
I have the 2017 iPad and procreate works great for me. I don't typically have more than 5-6 layers but have never experienced any issues with functionality including PSD export.
Yes, I know it is at least decent for Art and I am happy it works for you. I am sure that it is by no means a bad device. I am still not 100% convinced (no laminated screen, small screen,...). And before I am not 100% satisfied I prefer saving my money, because atm I am really short on that - and if I spend some, it has to be with maximum efficiency. So maybe saving and deciding against a pucharse right now isn't a bad idea.
 
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Digitalguy

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Yes, thanks! If I don't, maybe I get something else, or I stay at a screenless pen tablet. Time will tell, I will stay flexible and adapt to the situation.

Yes, I know it is at least decent for Art and I am happy it works for you. I am sure that it is by no means a bad device. I am still not 100% convinced (no laminated screen, small screen,...). And before I am not 100% satisfied I prefer saving my money, because atm I am really short on that - and if I spend some, it has to be with maximum efficiency. So maybe saving and deciding against a pucharse right now isn't a bad idea.
If at some point you manage to save enough and/or you find a good deal, get the 2018 12.9, that would be the ideal device for you, but currently it's still very expensive....
 
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Digitalguy

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The A9 and A9X chips are the only exceptions. What I said still applies to the A8/A8X, A10/A10X, A12/A12X, etc. They all have very similar clock speeds.

It's a highly educated guess with thought put into it.
Yes, because with the others Apple increased the core count (and by core count I mean the performance cores), (A8 2 - A8X 3, A10 2 - A10X 3, A12 2 - A12X 4), but for some reason with A9X they kept the 2 cores but bumped the clock speed (and graphic performance) significantly... And for some other reason, they started using the odd numbers only for iPhones since the A11... Still I believe that the X versions will be treated like the following non X version (e.g. A10X like A11), rather than like the same non X version in terms of OS upgrades...
 

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Yes, because with the others Apple increased the core count (and by core count I mean the performance cores), (A8 2 - A8X 3, A10 2 - A10X 3, A12 2 - A12X 4), but for some reason with A9X they kept the 2 cores but bumped the clock speed (and graphic performance) significantly... And for some other reason, they started using the odd numbers only for iPhones since the A11... Still I believe that the X versions will be treated like the following non X version (e.g. A10X like A11), rather than like the same non X version in terms of OS upgrades...
Apple stopped supporting A6X and A6 at the same time, yet the A7 received two more major versions of iOS.
The same thing applies to A5X and A5. They're both stuck on iOS 9, but the A6X and A6 received an extra major version of iOS.
 

Digitalguy

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Apple stopped supporting A6X and A6 at the same time, yet the A7 received two more major versions of iOS.
The same thing applies to A5X and A5. They're both stuck on iOS 9, but the A6X and A6 received an extra major version of iOS.
Problem with A5(X) and A6(X) is that they were both 32bit chips so once Apple moved to IOS 11 they had to stop updating everything that was 32 bits...A7 was twice as fast as A6X so a massive upgrade, but had the same bottlenecking RAM. But again the main point vas the move to a 64bit OS, the rest was secondary.... So I don't think we can draw any conclusion from those SOCs.. If anything the much weaker A5 (which by the way had the exact same CPU power as A5X) was updated way too much to IOS 9, given the 512GB RAM it came with... So it was actually the opposite problem back then, too many updates for the what the SOC could handle... Back then however the main bottleneck was precisely RAM, more than CPU/GPU, this bottleneck has mainly lifted since the iPad Air 2, let alone the first pro...
 

ericwn

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To reiterate...

This is a forum called MacRumors centered around... well... Apple rumors. Speculation should be expected.

It’s a forum of a news site and well call the guessing out either way. You’re not writing the front page news and no one here has any knowledge or inside on what apple does next.


To reiterate:
“I am simply pointing out that it’s guessing and that anything can happen. Tech has plateaued, services are important and nothing ever stays the same in tech. “
 

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Problem with A5(X) and A6(X) is that they were both 32bit chips so once Apple moved to IOS 11 they had to stop updating everything that was 32 bits...
iOS 10 supports 32-bit (A6 and A6X), but the A5 and A5X (also 32-bit) devices were stuck on iOS 9. As a result, what I said still applies to the A5 and A5X.
no one here has any knowledge or inside on what apple does next.
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Leakers don't have any insider knowledge? 🤔
 

Digitalguy

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iOS 10 supports 32-bit (A6 and A6X), but the A5 and A5X (also 32-bit) devices were stuck on iOS 9. As a result, what I said still applies to the A5 and A5X.

Leakers don't have any insider knowledge? 🤔
It's not possible to draw any conclusion for A9 vs A9X vs A10 from looking at A5(X) and A6(X) and A7....
A5 and A5X had the exact same CPU speed and the iPad carrying A5X was discontinued long before the one carrying A5, so it's only normal that A5X didn't get any more updates than IOS 9 (which again was already too much for both).
And A6X stopped because of 32bit, regardless of the difference with A6 (which wasn't big anyway). There was no A7X, but A7 was a massive upgrade anyway, but again it doesn't matter, even if it was identical to A6(X), because of the move to 64 bits. And by the way, A8 on iPhone and A8 on iPad were decoupled because of RAM, so one could even say that decoupling A9X itself (based on RAM) wouldn't be impossible, let alone decoupling it from A9....
 

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iOS 10 supports 32-bit (A6 and A6X), but the A5 and A5X (also 32-bit) devices were stuck on iOS 9. As a result, what I said still applies to the A5 and A5X.

Leakers don't have any insider knowledge?

Oh you’re a leaker now. Thanks for the chuckle.
 

rui no onna

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If at some point you manage to save enough and/or you find a good deal, get the 2018 12.9, that would be the ideal device for you, but currently it's still very expensive....

Too bad the Apple certified refurb store has been out of stock forever. They had some really good deals on the 2018 iPad Pros.
 

Digitalguy

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Too bad the Apple certified refurb store has been out of stock forever. They had some really good deals on the 2018 iPad Pros.
Yeah I guess people like the 2018 so much that it is hard to find it on sale at a good price or refurbished (which probably mainly come from (the few) people trading in when upgrading to 2020 I guess).
I was extremely lucky to find a 1TB 11 pro cellular for only 950 new during the holidays. The difference with the 2020 one is minimal. In some respects it's even better (it has a slightly bigger battery and better battery life).
 

Digitalguy

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They didn't both get iOS 9?

I never said that I was a leaker.
they did, but the iPad 3 was discontinued long before the 2, which even outlasted the 4.... but Apple was obliged to upgrade it up to IOS 9 too, since it was technically a superior SOC, even if the iPad that had it had been discontinued for a while (because A5X could barely handle the iPad 3...)
 

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they did, but the iPad 3 was discontinued long before the 2, which even outlasted the 4.... but Apple was obliged to upgrade it up to IOS 9 too, since it was technically a superior SOC, even if the iPad that had it had been discontinued for a while (because A5X could barely handle the iPad 3...)
Oh, okay. I misunderstood what you said.
Thanks for proofing my point. Hence my comment that nobody on this forum has that knowledge.
What about the leakers that are always mentioned by MacRumors?
 

Digitalguy

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Oh, okay. I misunderstood what you said.

What about the leakers that are always mentioned by MacRumors?
No problem!
 

ericwn

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Oh, okay. I misunderstood what you said.

What about the leakers that are always mentioned by MacRumors?

Those that don’t mention the device in question being dropped?

Both articles speculate about iPhones.

Besides I was of course referring to forum members and not front page articles. But nice tries.
 

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Those that don’t mention the device in question being dropped?

Both articles speculate about iPhones.

Besides I was of course referring to forum members and not front page articles. But nice tries.
I’m just going off of what Apple has previously done. It's an educated guess.
 

rui no onna

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Thanks for proofing my point. Hence my comment that nobody on this forum has that knowledge.

Not saying that the 1st gen will not get iPadOS 15. Just that it's a possibility and pointing out some caveats if it does occur.
 
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