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One of the things you probably need to do with the iPad way of working is stop thinking about what apps you use and start thinking about what you're trying to do and do it the iPad way.

I'm not saying there's no reason to have a laptop, but the iPad is pretty capable as a travel device if you fit your workflow to it, rather than try to fit it to your workflow.

Clearly this works for some people and not others.


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I can see a world where eventually, the iPad takes over from the laptop, while you run a desktop instead.

There are some things you need big screens (or AR/VR) for and the iPad will never be great at those things with the inbuilt screen. And if you're hooking up on a desk, then maybe just have a more powerful device there?
Sorry, but I think this is backwards. The iPad is a tool to help you do things (whether that be professional work, watching media, or just messing around on the internet and social media). If the tool is so inflexible that the only way to make it work for you is to change how you work, it’s a bad tool for the job. And, honestly, this comment really gets at why the iPad will probably will never replace my “traditional” computer, despite being capable in its own right. You can do many things on iPad. But, for many simple tasks, I find I am fighting the OS to get them done. Things take more steps than they should, they involve some sort of workaround to get around an OS limitation, etc.. On my Mac, I feel like the OS is working with me to get things done. With the iPad, I feel like I get things done in spite of the OS.
 
If the tool is so inflexible that the only way to make it work for you is to change how you work, it’s a bad tool for the job.

You see, it's like complaining that a pen and paper doesn't output text as neatly as a typewriter, or that you can't draw with a typewriter very well. And arguing over which is best, depending on whether you've had a typewriter for 20 years or not.

Yes. Some things suck on iPad. Do them on a laptop if there's no decent way to do it with the tablet

But... my point is - explore how things can be done because we've all spent the past 30 years using computers with keyboard and mouse input for stuff and sometimes there's a better way. That's all.

Don't expect it to work like a laptop, because it isn't one.
 
Sorry, but I think this is backwards. The iPad is a tool to help you do things (whether that be professional work, watching media, or just messing around on the internet and social media). If the tool is so inflexible that the only way to make it work for you is to change how you work, it’s a bad tool for the job. And, honestly, this comment really gets at why the iPad will probably will never replace my “traditional” computer, despite being capable in its own right. You can do many things on iPad. But, for many simple tasks, I find I am fighting the OS to get them done. Things take more steps than they should, they involve some sort of workaround to get around an OS limitation, etc.. On my Mac, I feel like the OS is working with me to get things done. With the iPad, I feel like I get things done in spite of the OS.
The flaw in this argument is that you’re talking from the perspective of someone whose computing paradigm is Mac centric and that’s what you know. Great! The Mac is a vibrant and excellent computing platform that’s reinvigorated with the Apple silicon shifts. The iPad, too, is a tool that carries less mental fatigue for the type of work many people are able to do, and it offers some versatility that a Mac doesn’t offer. So it’s a wonderful thing that both tools exist and while you’re unable to jimmy hack the iPad to suit your computing needs, the same argument holds true for iPad. Some of us don’t need robust file systems, or complex terminal entry, or rigorous video editors. And for those who do, a Mac is a wonderful tool that’s mature and rooted in classic computing paradigms. The iPad? A wonderful field for experimentation and intuitive for some.
 
I found the “share sheet” incredibly frustrating since the options seemed to vary significantly amongst apps. For instance some apps would only allow saving images to your photo library vs files.

I find it also seems to be missing the most obvious thing that would be there for that context, or the people/apps I share to the most. I always have to really dig through it.
 
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Some of us don’t need robust file systems, or complex terminal entry, or rigorous video editors. And for those who do, a Mac is a wonderful tool that’s mature and rooted in classic computing paradigms. The iPad? A wonderful field for experimentation and intuitive for some.

I would argue that most people don't need a lot of the things they pine for on iPadOS.


below sometimes me... playing devils advocate:

Filesystem? Why do I care? On the iPad, I just want to take notes, edit photos, draw sketches, use websites, internet banking and occasionally write some documents.

Keeping track of where stuff is stored isn't something I need to care about all the time. I care about being able to create, find and open documents. I couldn't care less where on the device they are stored.

keeping track of files is a boring computer job the computer can take care of.
 
You see, it's like complaining that a pen and paper doesn't output text as neatly as a typewriter, or that you can't draw with a typewriter very well. And arguing over which is best, depending on whether you've had a typewriter for 20 years or not.

Yes. Some things suck on iPad. Do them on a laptop if there's no decent way to do it with the tablet

But... my point is - explore how things can be done because we've all spent the past 30 years using computers with keyboard and mouse input for stuff and sometimes there's a better way. That's all.

Don't expect it to work like a laptop, because it isn't one.

Having used iPad and Mac extensively over the last 5+ years, I really disagree with this.

The iPad is great at being an iPad, but when you bring it into the world of doing complicated professional tasks, proper gaming, stuff that primarily uses a mouse and keyboard, it's not just a case of there being a different and better way to do it on iPad. It's a case of the iPad being substandard for that thing.

When the thing I was just doing 5 minutes ago suddenly force closes because I dared spend 5 minutes watching YouTube or browsing Safari, is that because I'm not doing it the special iPad way? If I can't run a whole bunch of software that would be perfect on the 11" display because the thing is locked down like an iPhone, is that because I'm not doing it the special iPad way?

When so many developers have their iPad app as a second or third class citizen and it falls behind in functionality or they half abandon it, is that also because users aren't doing it the special iPad way?

Filesystem? Why do I care? On the iPad, I just want to take notes, edit photos, draw sketches, use websites, internet banking and occasionally write some documents.

Keeping track of where stuff is stored isn't something I need to care about all the time. I care about being able to create, find and open documents. I couldn't care less where on the device they are stored.

keeping track of files is a boring computer job the computer can take care of.

You shouldn't need to worry about the filesystem if you're someone who doesn't want to worry about it, but there are simply some cases where it makes sense for the filesystem to be accessible and not a piece of trash, and for those people in those cases, it's bad and there is no excuse for it.
 
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The flaw in this argument is that you’re talking from the perspective of someone whose computing paradigm is Mac centric and that’s what you know. Great! The Mac is a vibrant and excellent computing platform that’s reinvigorated with the Apple silicon shifts. The iPad, too, is a tool that carries less mental fatigue for the type of work many people are able to do, and it offers some versatility that a Mac doesn’t offer. So it’s a wonderful thing that both tools exist and while you’re unable to jimmy hack the iPad to suit your computing needs, the same argument holds true for iPad. Some of us don’t need robust file systems, or complex terminal entry, or rigorous video editors. And for those who do, a Mac is a wonderful tool that’s mature and rooted in classic computing paradigms. The iPad? A wonderful field for experimentation and intuitive for some.
All true. But I was not arguing that people who find the iPad more intuitive should adopt their workflow to suit a laptop/desktop. All I was saying is that the argument that someone who doesn’t find the iPad fits their needs should tailor their workflow to fit the iPad’s OS seems backward to me. The user should never have to completely change what they are doing to fit the limitations of the tool. That holds true for a laptop as well. If you have to contort yourself to do something on a laptop that is simple on an iPad, then the laptop is the wrong tool for that task.
 
All I was saying is that the argument that someone who doesn’t find the iPad fits their needs should tailor their workflow to fit the iPad’s OS seems backward to me. The user should never have to completely change what they are doing to fit the limitations of the tool. That holds true for a laptop as well. If you have to contort yourself to do something on a laptop that is simple on an iPad, then the laptop is the wrong tool for that task.

Especially true when the limitation comes from the fact the iPad used to be a big iPhone, and not any profound philosophical reason.
 
All I was saying is that the argument that someone who doesn’t find the iPad fits their needs should tailor their workflow to fit the iPad’s OS seems backward to me.

I'm not saying you should OR ELSE.

I'm saying you should explore different ways of doing things to see if they're better. Sometimes they will be. Sometimes they won't. If they aren't - USE A MAC.

But if you go into the iPad expecting it to behave exactly like a Mac, it won't and vice versa. And if you're unwilling to try to see if there's another maybe better way - you're never going to find it.


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I guess it's back to Steve Jobs with the car/truck analogy. Cars are good at car things and suck at truck things and vice versa.

 
Sorry, but I think this is backwards. The iPad is a tool to help you do things (whether that be professional work, watching media, or just messing around on the internet and social media). If the tool is so inflexible that the only way to make it work for you is to change how you work, it’s a bad tool for the job. And, honestly, this comment really gets at why the iPad will probably will never replace my “traditional” computer, despite being capable in its own right. You can do many things on iPad. But, for many simple tasks, I find I am fighting the OS to get them done. Things take more steps than they should, they involve some sort of workaround to get around an OS limitation, etc.. On my Mac, I feel like the OS is working with me to get things done. With the iPad, I feel like I get things done in spite of the OS.
Every now and when, I do go back and reread this excellent blog post by Steven Sinofsky. Yes, that Windows guy.


It's a nice reminder of why I adopted the iPad so many years ago, and why I continue to use it. Especially this line.

  • Everything was once considered weird, hard, awkward. If you know how to do something one way, being shown a totally different way often scrambles your brain. In fact, just about every new way to do something looks more difficult than what you know. What most people forget is how arbitrary most ways of doing things are in the first place. As much as there is design effort, always remember that someone started with an idea and just honed it within the constraints at the time. In the first computer tools for editing, the general model was to select what you wanted to do (bold, delete) and then choose the text to apply that to. The mouse people decided that selecting text and highlighting first and then choosing the verb would be “better”. And so it was. It is not hard to see how this could have evolved in reverse with no difficulty at all.
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The value of the iPad's iOS roots has, for me, been its simplicity. For the longest time, desktop software has always struck me as being overly bloated and complicated (because they sport way more functionality than I will likely ever need). Yes, maybe there are other people who do need that much complexity, but I don't. As such, I wasn't getting more of what I wanted, but instead being saddled with more issues to deal with.

The hardware incentivised developers to create apps optimised for touch and direct input. I can give a few examples of how the iPad has been better than a laptop (or even a laptop + smartphone combination), again, for me.

I remember when I tasked with blogging about my student's experiences overseas (this was about a decade ago). I brought my iPad 3 along with me. The Wordpress app made it easy to insert photos (courtesy of the iPad's camera), type some text and post to my school blog (which at the time was still hosted on Wordpress). All in between the pockets of free time in between. I could do so on my phone, but the 4s and 5s at the time had pretty poor battery life (they would die before noon). The iPad had ample juice to tank an entire day of usage. More convenient than going back the hotel, then having to export photos and writing your blog posts, while dead tired and wanting to just shower and sleep.

iOS apps are often criticised for being "baby apps". It's not inherently a bad thing for something like say, iWork's or Ms Office to have only 5% functionality of their desktop equivalent, if that 5% is all that I need there and then. I spend less time fighting the interface and fighting the idiosyncrasies of desktop Windows software, allowing me to just focus on say, taking meeting minutes on my iPad + Smart Keyboard. And when I am done, email to my manager directly via the share sheet extension.

I have been using Notability for well over a decade now, and still paying for it. It's can't do a bunch of stuff that PDF Expert can (like extracting pages or editing text), and that's fine by me. I need a tool to annotate on pdf documents in class, and I need it to work and for the interface to get out of my way so I don't waste time fiddling with the UI.

And if I need a bit more complexity (being having to increasingly work with massive spreadsheets and functions like mail merge and vlookup of late due to the nature of my work), well, that's what my work-issued windows laptop and my MBA are for. I don't really see it as overkill. My MBA stays on my desk, my iPad follows me around the house (yay for it finally getting WhatsApp), I am already bringing my work laptop and my ipad to work anyways, I even have a 5k iMac at home that's largely been commandeered by my dad, I will say that managing multiple devices is generally a nothingburger.


The counterpoint is that no other company seems to have made this goldilocks device that is both the perfect tablet and the ideal laptop computing experience either. Whether you are getting a Samsung Tab or a Windows Surface laptop, each comes with its own share of drawbacks and compromised. It ultimately comes down to the extent of which you are impacted (eg: some are happy to have the equivalent of a touchscreen laptop).

I will go back to my original point where I argue that the limitations of the OS are there in part to safeguard the experience that Apple wants their iPad users to have. That experience being convenience, ease of use and battery life.
I would say Apple already knows the eventuality of the OS upgrade path and it doesn’t want to reach there too soon as it doesn’t want to accept the inevitable. One ca simply look at iOS and iPadOS where iPadOS gets features and functions a year or more later compared to iOS.

Why not have some basic feature parity between the two versions? The possibility is that iPadOS is on a tightrope between macOS on one side and iOS on the other, it has no clue what it really wants to be. iPadOS and tablets in general are only able to be a consumption device for so long before it becomes a stagnant product, just look at iOS with no proper multitasking or windowing ability for one.
 
I'm not saying you should OR ELSE.

I'm saying you should explore different ways of doing things to see if they're better. Sometimes they will be. Sometimes they won't. If they aren't - USE A MAC.

But if you go into the iPad expecting it to behave exactly like a Mac, it won't and vice versa. And if you're unwilling to try to see if there's another maybe better way - you're never going to find it.


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I guess it's back to Steve Jobs with the car/truck analogy. Cars are good at car things and suck at truck things and vice versa.

Except laptops and desktops are not in any measure to trucks. A computer in truck terms means a server and we all know Apple discontinued those long time ago.

So we have tablets, laptops and desktops which would all be cars like sub-compact, compact, mid-size, SUV, luxury, mini van, van etc.

While servers can certainly serve up entertainment one wouldn’t use one to interact with it directly. Similarly a truck is designed to transport goods from point A-B, it can transport living things like livestock and humans but it ain’t going to be comfortable.

The late Steve Jobs was a great marketer and lied through his teeth may times with the excuse that technology or the industry and consumers have not gotten there yet.
 
You will find people that will tell you it’s doable and other that it si not, it all depends on 2 factors.

1 your will to adapt to a new workflow
2 the app you need


For me,doing mostly 2d Vector / raster image and logo creation / manipulation, some video editing and some text the Magick keyboard and iPad 11 pro combo was the killer app.

I went the 11 route for portability and i have an arzopa screen when need the external screen with 1 cable .

Could i do everything on iPad? I’’d say 98%. For the rest i have a pc at home, could i do everything on a MacBook Air? Probably, but I’d lose the touchscreen with pencil that i use and the ability to use the iPad as a tablet when commuting or working on the couch..

So if you do your homework first to finds out how you need to adapt your workflow and what app are available with which features, then you could make it work.

As with anything work related, if you plan ahead you might succeed.
 
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Except laptops and desktops are not in any measure to trucks. A computer in truck terms means a server and we all know Apple discontinued those long time ago.

So we have tablets, laptops and desktops which would all be cars like sub-compact, compact, mid-size, SUV, luxury, mini van, van etc.

While servers can certainly serve up entertainment one wouldn’t use one to interact with it directly. Similarly a truck is designed to transport goods from point A-B, it can transport living things like livestock and humans but it ain’t going to be comfortable.

The late Steve Jobs was a great marketer and lied through his teeth may times with the excuse that technology or the industry and consumers have not gotten there yet.
I think you’re taking that analogy a bit too far.
 
I think you’re taking that analogy a bit too far.
Or maybe the late Steve Jobs was over simplifying the truth. In all fairness desktops and its OS are by no means “trucks”. What would Jobs label servers and super computers as “heavy earth” machinery??
 
Or maybe the late Steve Jobs was over simplifying the truth. In all fairness desktops and its OS are by no means “trucks”. What would Jobs label servers and super computers as “heavy earth” machinery??
They’re not part of the analogy and irrelevant to the point he was illustrating?
 
I’ve tried many times to get an iPad to be a laptop - ever since gen 1. Each time have failed. I do programming and none of the major AI coding assistants have an iPad app.

My wife however is in sales and constantly on the go. mobile warriors, those types wouldn’t even dream of using a laptop. They want to turn something on, tap a few buttons and be done.

I’ve come to realize - Mac OS can do everything. Even drawing - remember those Wacom tablets? But if you need to specialize you have you ipad and iPhone for those use cases.
 
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I travel with both an iPad and Macbook. The iPad is an excellent second screen for work. It’s also a great consumption device, and a great device for certain kinds of workflows. But if you have to create or edit documents, code, or do any kind of similar heavy work, a laptop is simply required.

One thing to keep in mind is that you may not need the pro versions of any of these devices, and prices have come down. An iPad and Macbook Air combo, for example, can cost less than either an iPad Pro or a Macbook Pro individually depdnding on specs, accessories, etc. Or you can get a top of the line Macbook Pro and a discounted iPad Air or regular iPad. Or you can max out an iPad Pro and get the $750 M4 Macbook Air, or even the lower cost Macbook that is rumored.
 
I travel with both an iPad and Macbook. The iPad is an excellent second screen for work. It’s also a great consumption device, and a great device for certain kinds of workflows. But if you have to create or edit documents, code, or do any kind of similar heavy work, a laptop is simply required.

One thing to keep in mind is that you may not need the pro versions of any of these devices, and prices have come down. An iPad and Macbook Air combo, for example, can cost less than either an iPad Pro or a Macbook Pro individually depdnding on specs, accessories, etc. Or you can get a top of the line Macbook Pro and a discounted iPad Air or regular iPad. Or you can max out an iPad Pro and get the $750 M4 Macbook Air, or even the lower cost Macbook that is rumored.
You can create documents on an iPad Pro. I do it all the time. Why do you think you it can’t or shouldn’t be done on an iPad?
 
You can create documents on an iPad Pro. I do it all the time. Why do you think you it can’t or shouldn’t be done on an iPad?
This. Perplexes me that it can’t be done? I draft letters of recommendation, appeal letters, and journal articles on my iPad all the time. The rare complexity, like reference insertion, is something I do at the end stages and sure for that a laptop makes it easier, but I’m far more focused on iPad than on my Mac.
 
Sure in another analogy a calculator or a GameBoy is a car and iPhone and iPad is a truck. Context matters, Jobs had no problem to befuddle those who were enveloped in the RDF.
Dude, it’s a simple analogy, people make them every day without needing a framework of approved symbology!
 
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