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transmaster

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I was wondering how the pecking order was going to work itself out with my Apple stuff. For years I just had an iPhone, finally I decided I could not ignore the biometric stuff built into the Apple Watch anymore. When I got the Ultra 2 I realized it was the part of the iPhone that I didn't know I was missing. Now that I have the new iPad Pro M4 I realize it is the part of my Mac Studio I didn't know I was missing. I don't have a Macbook but with a iPad you have the portable part that can report back to your desktop Mac. I am still in the learning stage with the iPad, Mac Studio combination. The thing is the iPad would not be the companion to the Mac it is if still had the lightning connector. I can see this with my iPhone 14 Pro Max. My biggest reason for updating it to the 16 Pro Max is to get the USB-4 (C) connector.
 
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eltoslightfoot

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So...you are using your iPad Pro as a companion to your Mac Studio. How is that not a replacement for a macbook for you? Honestly curious. I tear my remaining hair out in frustration when I try to use an iPad without a Mac. :D
 

ericwn

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How is the iPad a part of your Mac Studio that you were missing before?
 

cupcakes2000

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So...you are using your iPad Pro as a companion to your Mac Studio. How is that not a replacement for a macbook for you? Honestly curious. I tear my remaining hair out in frustration when I try to use an iPad without a Mac. :D
I do the same thing. Youbdint need a macbook if you can use your iPad to control your desktop mac. I use jump to remote in and sidecar at home. And the iPad itself for general simple tasks.

That means I got a powerful Mac for 2k (more powerful and much cheaper than a macbook equiv) and a powerful iPad for 1k. It cost about 3.5, iPad, studio, mkb, pencil - more powerful and more versatile than any macbook, cheaper than higher specced equivalents.
 

Rafterman

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With heavy heart, I returned the 13 2TB M4 I bought, with keyboard and pencil. I didn't have to max out, but I figured go big or go home. But I could not justify the cost ($3100 for the bundle), with iPadOS. With the stuff I did with it, I could get a 1TB Air for half the cost and still have more tablet power than I will ever use. In fact, I might do just that.

So I decided to use the money from the M4 to upgrade my Windows experience. I already have a MacBook as my main driver, so I wanted to get a Windows gaming laptop. There were a lot of cheaper options, but I decided to use the whole $3100 I spent on the M4 to get a Surface Laptop Studio 2. 14 core i7 13th gen, 64GB RAM, 2TB storage and an Nvidia 4060/8GB. It also can be used in a pinch as a tablet (though it weighs the same as two 13" M4s). But its main use will be docked.
 
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yabeweb

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I was wondering how the pecking order was going to work itself out with my Apple stuff. For years I just had an iPhone, finally I decided I could not ignore the biometric stuff built into the Apple Watch anymore. When I got the Ultra 2 I realized it was the part of the iPhone that I didn't know I was missing. Now that I have the new iPad Pro M4 I realize it is the part of my Mac Studio I didn't know I was missing. I don't have a Macbook but with a iPad you have the portable part that can report back to your desktop Mac. I am still in the learning stage with the iPad, Mac Studio combination. The thing is the iPad would not be the companion to the Mac it is if still had the lightning connector. I can see this with my iPhone 14 Pro Max. My biggest reason for updating it to the 16 Pro Max is to get the USB-4 (C) connector.
It replaced the computer for me, so it’s doable.

oh and I work on it not just media consumption….
 

transmaster

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It replaced the computer for me, so it’s doable.

oh and I work on it not just media consumption….
I am beginning to see this. In past years I always assembled my own PC's. The last one failed during COVID and I could not get some to the parts needed to assemble a new one so I was exclusively on my iPhone 14 Pro Max for the better part of a year. Finally I purchased a refurbished i5 intel lenovo for $180 bucks. It did the job I needed it of for with the Amatuer Radio station nicely. This little PC worked great but I still could not stand Windows 10. This time I went for the Mac Studio M1 Max, it has internal 1TB SSD, and 20 TB of external storage. When I first powered up the Mac Studio I got an alert on the iPhone, New Apple device detected to you wish to continue with it's setup. I tapped yes, and I watched as my iPhone setup the Mac. The iPhone also did the same thing with the iPad. Talk about fanboy status. 😍 I now have a keyboard and track pad setup on the iPad. I realized that it is the addition of a keyboard and the trackpad that really makes the iPad a reasonable replacement for a Mac' except there is software that runs parts of my Amature radio station that does not work on an iOS platform. Now if Apple can get the Siri dictation software working smoothly so I don't need a keyboard and the camera tracking your eyes to see where you are looking on the screen to work like a trackpad, with a finger gesture to emulate a mouse click. As far as I am concerned that would be the end of the MacBook for me.
 

Dominican

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iPad always going to be a iPad you can compare it doesn't matter end of the day is the same thing iPad .. if the iPad didn't have iPad OS that will be a whole different story ..
 

yabeweb

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I could do 90 percent on an iPad. But there's that 10 percent that I still need a Mac or Windows machine.
I know some stuff needs to still happens on a computer, the iPad only route is for sure not for everyone, but ut can be done successfully.

What is your 10%?
 

transmaster

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`So...you are using your iPad Pro as a companion to your Mac Studio. How is that not a replacement for a macbook for you? Honestly curious. I tear my remaining hair out in frustration when I try to use an iPad without a Mac. :D
I have apps that work on the iOS platform but not very well, or at all on macOS. I have never been a fan of laptop computers. Mostly because I hate the keyboards they have. An exampleof a very good AR is the app Theodilite. There are astronomy apps that use the cameras on the iPhone and iPod. You look through to image on you screen. The App Starwalk 2.
 

AppleTech22

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I think where the iPad gets interesting for a lot of people are those who already have a work computer to use at their 9-5. For someone working in website management, design, and marketing as I am - there’s no way the iPad is ready to be a full-blown work device for me. The lack of DevTools and true desktop-class apps remain a limitation. It’s just not there for when I actually need to get work done.

But for a personal computing device, the iPad is almost there to replace my Mac at home. I enjoy the range of user experience that the iPad offers, which makes daily tasks like content consumption, light web browsing, and general productivity often more enjoyable than on my Mac. The extra usability of having a touchscreen is nice when desired, but the ability to hunker down and be productive is there with the typing/trackpad experience of the MKB and improvements to multitasking over time.

The three main areas that just still have me holding onto my Mac are:
  1. File management
  2. Desktop-class apps
  3. Consistency in web browsing
File management & desktop-class apps
If you haven’t seen Federico Viticci’s write-up on these (and other suggested iPadOS improvements), I highly recommend it: https://www.macstories.net/stories/not-an-ipad-pro-review/

He does an excellent job of breaking down exactly where iPadOS is falling short and tangible ways that Apple could improve the experience.

To summarize these two for me, managing and working with files of all kinds on the iPad is just not yet on par with the Mac. Everything from handling PDFs, to editing Word documents, to working with spreadsheets in Excel is simply less capable or more time consuming. I understand that these workflows need to be distinct and built for touch, but when using Stage Manager, I’d love to see them evolve into a more Mac-like experience. It’s closer than ever before, but just annoying enough to still have me reaching for my Mac when I actually want to get things done.

Consistency in web browsing
For me, this is a near-daily frustration. There are still many websites that don’t work as well on the iPad despite the larger screen size (I’m on a 13” Pro) and requesting desktop sites in Safari. Today’s example was Best Buy - it simply doesn’t render how you would expect on a Mac. Yes, I could use the Best Buy app and some would argue that‘s the point of iPadOS - to be more app-driven than pure web browsing - but it’s still a common encounter that leaves me frustrated and switching to my Mac when trying to really research something like a purchase, trip, etc.

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I’m hopeful for some improvements at WWDC, but rumors seem to be suggesting little in terms of iPadOS capability expansion beyond trickle-down AI updates. Crossing my fingers for Monday!

Even with these shortcomings, I’m still absolutely loving the new 13” and continue to use it for 80% of the computing I do at home on a day-to-day basis. And part of me is actually okay with the Mac still winning out in terms of certain tasks. That’s the nature of a product mix at the end of the day - each of Apple’s devices find ways to be better at certain tasks and this is what makes their ecosystem of products so “magical“.
 

Webcat86

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I think where the iPad gets interesting for a lot of people are those who already have a work computer to use at their 9-5. For someone working in website management, design, and marketing as I am - there’s no way the iPad is ready to be a full-blown work device for me. The lack of DevTools and true desktop-class apps remain a limitation. It’s just not there for when I actually need to get work done.

But for a personal computing device, the iPad is almost there to replace my Mac at home. I enjoy the range of user experience that the iPad offers, which makes daily tasks like content consumption, light web browsing, and general productivity often more enjoyable than on my Mac. The extra usability of having a touchscreen is nice when desired, but the ability to hunker down and be productive is there with the typing/trackpad experience of the MKB and improvements to multitasking over time.

The three main areas that just still have me holding onto my Mac are:
  1. File management
  2. Desktop-class apps
  3. Consistency in web browsing
File management & desktop-class apps
If you haven’t seen Federico Viticci’s write-up on these (and other suggested iPadOS improvements), I highly recommend it: https://www.macstories.net/stories/not-an-ipad-pro-review/

He does an excellent job of breaking down exactly where iPadOS is falling short and tangible ways that Apple could improve the experience.

To summarize these two for me, managing and working with files of all kinds on the iPad is just not yet on par with the Mac. Everything from handling PDFs, to editing Word documents, to working with spreadsheets in Excel is simply less capable or more time consuming. I understand that these workflows need to be distinct and built for touch, but when using Stage Manager, I’d love to see them evolve into a more Mac-like experience. It’s closer than ever before, but just annoying enough to still have me reaching for my Mac when I actually want to get things done.

Consistency in web browsing
For me, this is a near-daily frustration. There are still many websites that don’t work as well on the iPad despite the larger screen size (I’m on a 13” Pro) and requesting desktop sites in Safari. Today’s example was Best Buy - it simply doesn’t render how you would expect on a Mac. Yes, I could use the Best Buy app and some would argue that‘s the point of iPadOS - to be more app-driven than pure web browsing - but it’s still a common encounter that leaves me frustrated and switching to my Mac when trying to really research something like a purchase, trip, etc.

——

I’m hopeful for some improvements at WWDC, but rumors seem to be suggesting little in terms of iPadOS capability expansion beyond trickle-down AI updates. Crossing my fingers for Monday!

Even with these shortcomings, I’m still absolutely loving the new 13” and continue to use it for 80% of the computing I do at home on a day-to-day basis. And part of me is actually okay with the Mac still winning out in terms of certain tasks. That’s the nature of a product mix at the end of the day - each of Apple’s devices find ways to be better at certain tasks and this is what makes their ecosystem of products so “magical“.
I would like to see Preview, and native apps match the features of the Mac versions (eh photo smart folders, Mail etc).

For sites, have you tried chrome? I use Safari but if I occasionally encounter a site that won’t play nicely, it usually works fine in Chrome.
 

Rafterman

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I know some stuff needs to still happens on a computer, the iPad only route is for sure not for everyone, but ut can be done successfully.

What is your 10%?

I often screen share to vendors when we have tech issues wit their products (Teams or Zoom) and there is a lot of file transfers and such. iPad's sandboxing can be a limit sometimes. Plus, screen sharing an iPad screen is offputting when they take control.
 
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yabeweb

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I often screen share to vendors when we have tech issues wit their products (Teams or Zoom) and there is a lot of file transfers and such. iPad's sandboxing can be a limit sometimes. Plus, screen sharing an iPad screen is offputting when they take control.
Well that is understandable,file sharing can happen thought ftp if needed but I can see why is not the preferred way.
 

eltoslightfoot

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Heck I wish I could get by with just an iPhone, iPad Pro, and a Macbook. There is no way I could limit it to just an iPhone and an iPad Pro.

Try gaming on a Macbook that costs below $1500. ☠️
 
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Surfsalot

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Havn't used my 11" M1 iPad Pro since I got my 13" MBA last week, they don't compare.
 
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