iPad Pro - Would it be too big?

[ValO]

The ipad pro will be a transistional device.

-ipad pro will be a very powerfull tablet, with state of the art soc. And perhaps some extensions in ios , especially for the ipad pro, like an app for filemanagement.
-It will allow developpers to make professional bussiness apps, with almost the same abilities as the OSX and windows versions.
- as development of these apps progress, this will , in the long run , allow apple to make a arm-based osx/mac os.
- the macbook(not macbook pro) will get an ARM based cpu/soc by apple with osx.
- in a few years , apple will be able to develop even more powerfull ARM socs.
- app/software development progresses further.
-Macbook pro, imac and perhaps even the Mac Pro will get an arm based soc by apple.

 

[Codeseven]

I have an iPad and a 15" MBP. 'For me', the iPad's 9.7" screen is too small to comfortably read and view details but the MacBook's 15" screen is bigger than what I need or want to carry around. I would welcome a 12" screen as the perfect size.

 

[juwanh]

Here I am typing this on my iPad 3 in Portrait mode, which is heavier and wider than the iPad Air, and the iPad Plus would probably be around the same width as the second/third generations, if it has smaller bezels like the iPad Air, and maybe just a bit taller. So no, it would not be too big, definitely not. I'm more concerned with it having a MacBook like aspect ratio (16x10, not 16x9 or the current 4:3) The extra space could also be useful for a native Apple Remote Desktop client, so you could get a good OS X experience on your iPad, without having OS X on your iPad, feel me? Think Splashtop Remote...

 

[avionicsman]

It'll be nothing but a bigger iPad. Apple is extremely stubborn about adding any sort of common useable functionality to their iOS line when they feel like they can get away with it.

Agreed! One though though. If Apple intends to market this as a "pro" device they may need to add a port or at the very least configure the lightening port to accept USB key fobs!

 

[avionicsman]

Coming from my iPad Air 2 I like your thoughts!

 

[avionicsman]

For me 12.9 inch ipad pro is too big and not that portable compared to the ipad mini and 9.7 inch ipad, being at 12.9 inches that big it defeats the purpose for a tablet and i am not interested buying and not care about the ipad pro.

I like the 9.7 inch ipads!!


I have a 11.6 inch Windows tablet and i won't go any bigger than that for a tablet!!

Maybe Apple should decrease the bezel of the iPad Air 2 and squeeze out an extra inch of screen space??

 

[theluggage]

OS X does not make sense on a tablet.

OS X does not make sense on "just a giant iPad" used for handheld web, media browsing and simple note-taking, and it wouldn't work well with the basic 'tap & gesture' touch interface of the current iPad.

However, if you want to make a tablet with wider "pro" uses than the current iPad, and are adding new UI possibilities such as "force touch" or a stylus (which, because they introduce a distinction between positioning and 'clicking', would work with a UI designed for mouse/trackpad) then the game might change.

Your example of Wacom users - they are currently using full-fat OS X graphics apps, so full OS X might be a better fit for them.

 

[theluggage]

Maybe Apple should decrease the bezel of the iPad Air 2 and squeeze out an extra inch of screen space??

No, because you need to be able to hold it somehow. Edge-to-edge displays may be feasible on phone sized devices that fit in to one hand and can be held by the edges, but something the size of an iPad needs something to grab hold of.

 

[Tompie913]

"Luggability" c.f. a clamshell laptop isn't an issue - its hand-held usability that is the important factor. A 12" iPad would be less comfortable to use as a 'comfy chair' web/media browser/casual gaming device, and more of a table-top device. Above a certain size, a clamshell gets easier to use, even on your lap.

I agree that a clamshell laptop is easier to use on you lap. But you still need to be sitting upright to use it. The thing I like about my iPad is that I can use it when laying on a sofa or in bed. And I can say from my experience with a 12.5" tablet that they are still usable as such even with a larger screen. I don't quite get why people think that any size larger than an iPad is unusable as a tablet. I simply haven't found it to be the case. What matters much more is the weight, but if they can keep the Pro under the 1.3 lbs of the iPad 2, it should be fine.

(actually, part of me speculates that the iPad Pro and the MacBook were two competing prototypes, only one of which would live, and the MacBook won).

This: http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...ad-pro-allegedly-spotted-in-ios-app-analytics

...seems like compelling proof to me that the iPad Pro is alive and happening.

 

[theluggage]

I don't quite get why people think that any size larger than an iPad is unusable as a tablet.

You've got a false dichotomy there: its not a case of "unusable" - just a case of "less comfortable to use so why would you choose it?". I find the current iPad about ideal for "comfy chair mode" - plenty of people already prefer the mini or a phablet - and I want ideal, not "useable".

My point is that I don't see a compelling case for a larger iPad that just does current iPad stuff but is less comfortable to hand-hold. Now, if the latest rumour is correct and its going to have force-touch and a proper stylus (and if apps start supporting those features) that opens up whole new areas of use, and if it is still "usable" in bed, that's a plus.

This: http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...ad-pro-allegedly-spotted-in-ios-app-analytics

...seems like compelling proof to me that the iPad Pro is alive and happening.

...it's certainly suggestive. "Compelling proof" is overstating it a bit, though. The other rumour that emerged after this thread started is about the Pro having a stylus, which is suggestive that Apple know that a giant iPad alone won't cut it.

 

[0098386]

Depends what you're going to use it for. I'd basically love a cheap(er) Cintiq like device. I'd buy one and just keep it on some kind of stand on my desk rather than carry it around like my older iPad Retina.

 

[Dave245]

The rumoured iPad Pro is said to be around 12.2 - 12.9" I don't think that is too big in fact isn't the Surface around that size to? And some people really like that device.

 

[theluggage]

The rumoured iPad Pro is said to be around 12.2 - 12.9" I don't think that is too big in fact isn't the Surface around that size to? And some people really like that device.

From http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-gb/products/comparedevices

Surface 3 is 10". Surface Pro 3 is 12".

...and the surface pro runs full-blown Windows and is commonly pictured with a detachable "keyboard cover" with trackpad. In many ways, it is more of a competitor to the retina Macbook.

 

[cube]

No. 13" would actually be too small.

 

[Dave245]

From http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-gb/products/comparedevices

Surface 3 is 10". Surface Pro 3 is 12".

...and the surface pro runs full-blown Windows and is commonly pictured with a detachable "keyboard cover" with trackpad. In many ways, it is more of a competitor to the retina Macbook.

It runs a full blown version of Windows but can it replace your laptop? as Microsoft have said, Apple's argument against these hybrid devices is that they make to many compromises.

i Think this is a BIG indicator that Apple is not planning on releasing a hybrid device http://www.neowin.net/news/apple039s-tim-cook-claims-competition-microsoft-is-confused-about-pcs

 

[Tompie913]

It runs a full blown version of Windows but can it replace your laptop? as Microsoft have said, Apple's argument against these hybrid devices is that they make to many compromises.

Hybrid devices absolutely make compromises, but they're not often as bad as you'd think. The Surface Pro is an excellent example - the screen and keyboard are a little small for a laptop, and the device is a little bit big for a tablet. But it genuinely can do both, and importantly, it can do both well enough to be worth the compromises. I've actually been quite impressed by Windows hybrids lately - from a hardware standpoint. They've been developed over the last several years to the point where they mostly work pretty well, whether it's the Surfaces, the Yogas, or the Transformer Books.

The thing that I was really disappointed by though is the software. Windows, while great as a desktop/laptop OS, is not very nice to use on a tablet, especially compared to iOS or Android. Its interface isn't well optimized for touch, even in Win10's tablet mode, and the apps are abysmal for touch. Desktop apps understandably are almost unusable with touch, and the Windows Store apps are awful: the few apps that are on it are buggy and ugly. Years behind what's on Android or especially iOS.

But I digress. The point is that Apple is quite right that a hybrid OS, merging iOS and OS X, would be idiotic. But a hybrid device, an iPad with a mouse and keyboard, could be excellent. iOS just needs to be expanded to support that as Android already does.

 

[Dave245]

Hybrid devices absolutely make compromises, but they're not often as bad as you'd think. The Surface Pro is an excellent example - the screen and keyboard are a little small for a laptop, and the device is a little bit big for a tablet. But it genuinely can do both, and importantly, it can do both well enough to be worth the compromises. I've actually been quite impressed by Windows hybrids lately - from a hardware standpoint. They've been developed over the last several years to the point where they mostly work pretty well, whether it's the Surfaces, the Yogas, or the Transformer Books.

The thing that I was really disappointed by though is the software. Windows, while great as a desktop/laptop OS, is not very nice to use on a tablet, especially compared to iOS or Android. Its interface isn't well optimized for touch, even in Win10's tablet mode, and the apps are abysmal for touch. Desktop apps understandably are almost unusable with touch, and the Windows Store apps are awful: the few apps that are on it are buggy and ugly. Years behind what's on Android or especially iOS.

But I digress. The point is that Apple is quite right that a hybrid OS, merging iOS and OS X, would be idiotic. But a hybrid device, an iPad with a mouse and keyboard, could be excellent. iOS just needs to be expanded to support that as Android already does.

I haven't used Windows for a few years, since I moved to Mac after Windows Vista. I also haven't used a Surface Pro, to be honest I haven't so much as held one in my hand. From what I've seen I can kind of understand what Tim Cook was saying, it does look a little weird, it looks like it's a device that's trying to look like a laptop and a tablet at the same time. However some of the features that I've seen (on YouTube videos) do seem helpful and interesting, such as the one note with the pen. If Apple are adding a stylus to the iPad Pro they could easily do this as well. I think a lot of the features such as multitasking would also be helpful in iOS 9 and a stylus.

 

[Harthag]

Hybrid devices absolutely make compromises, but they're not often as bad as you'd think. The Surface Pro is an excellent example - the screen and keyboard are a little small for a laptop, and the device is a little bit big for a tablet. But it genuinely can do both, and importantly, it can do both well enough to be worth the compromises. I've actually been quite impressed by Windows hybrids lately - from a hardware standpoint. They've been developed over the last several years to the point where they mostly work pretty well, whether it's the Surfaces, the Yogas, or the Transformer Books.

The thing that I was really disappointed by though is the software. Windows, while great as a desktop/laptop OS, is not very nice to use on a tablet, especially compared to iOS or Android. Its interface isn't well optimized for touch, even in Win10's tablet mode, and the apps are abysmal for touch. Desktop apps understandably are almost unusable with touch, and the Windows Store apps are awful: the few apps that are on it are buggy and ugly. Years behind what's on Android or especially iOS.

But I digress. The point is that Apple is quite right that a hybrid OS, merging iOS and OS X, would be idiotic. But a hybrid device, an iPad with a mouse and keyboard, could be excellent. iOS just needs to be expanded to support that as Android already does.

I've owned an iPad Air 2 since release and just got a Surface 3 (10", non Pro). It may permanently replace iPad in my lineup of devices. Size is almost perfect for a tablet, iPad holds that crown. All I do on a tablet is internet browsing, videos / music, and email. That's it. It can do anything my iPad can do. My iPad never leaves home because I can't use it for my work.

For users like me, a hybrid OS is far from idiotic and Apple is missing out on a large group of people like me I'd wager. Windows 10 has been great. The transition between desktop mode and tablet mode when attaching/removing the keyboard is almost instantaneous and automatic. I don't use any apps in tablet mode other than what I mentioned above, so I have no optimization issues. For everything else I attach the type cover and run things in usual desktop mode, which is game over for iPad. It is so nice having a tablet that I can now rely on for actual work as well when needed / away from my main desktop or laptop- MS Office, remote login to my office PC and server, occasional USB cd drive use, and Adobe Acrobat Pro / Reader with proper table of contents view. When I'm done, I just remove the keyboard and boom seamlessly back in tablet mode to just browse or do some reading or whatever.

I wouldn't like using a 12" tablet, typing is still pretty awkward on the Surface in landscape tablet mode. Anything larger would just be a chore to me.

 

[pclusman]

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If you're an artist or designer and use the Apple Pencil, you will find TORCHGRIP to be an invaluable accessory. Don't let the 3M VHB adhesive scare you. It holds better than a suction device, it is removable when you want to upgrade to a new tablet and it will not scratch or damage the surface of the tablet. While I like to install mine on the "naked" tablet, there are cases that work as well (TPU type cases, Otterbox, etc.).

I have one installed on an original iPad, an iPad mini and an iPad Pro.

Learn more on the website, on Facebook or see videos on YouTube - search TORCHGRIP

 

[Precursor]

Holy necromancer!

 

[rui no onna]

Holy necromancer!

You forgot Batman.