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The iPad Pro 2018 was an amazing device and lasted me 7 years. From 2018-2020 it was my main device, replacing my Macbook itself.

Since then, it’s taken a back seat to iphone 16 and macbook M2 s didnt get used much, but when used it still worked brilliantly for an older device. I took the plunge when ios 26 was announced to install the beta since this iPad was listed as supported. However, despite bega updates and a total reformat, the iPad is now almost unusable. Slow, buggy, runs like treacle. Even on older apps that were smooth, it’s now a slow messy and almost unusable device.

Goodbye iPad, you served me well.

On a side note, even if it ran well, I thunk the new liquid glass aesthetic is ugly and childish.
 
The iPad Pro 2018 was an amazing device and lasted me 7 years. From 2018-2020 it was my main device, replacing my Macbook itself.

Since then, it’s taken a back seat to iphone 16 and macbook M2 s didnt get used much, but when used it still worked brilliantly for an older device. I took the plunge when ios 26 was announced to install the beta since this iPad was listed as supported. However, despite bega updates and a total reformat, the iPad is now almost unusable. Slow, buggy, runs like treacle. Even on older apps that were smooth, it’s now a slow messy and almost unusable device.

Goodbye iPad, you served me well.

On a side note, even if it ran well, I thunk the new liquid glass aesthetic is ugly and childish.

You need to take into account that you're using a Dev beta.
 
I’m also still rocking a 2018 iPad Pro. I will probably finally upgrade to the M5 iPad Pro when they come out this Fall(?). We’ll see. But until then, I won’t be downloading iPad iOS 26 on my 2018 iPad Pro that’s for sure!
 
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Was it fast on iPadOS 18? You say you had not used it, so maybe you remember it when it was on, say, 17. Maybe 18 was already not great? Or you had been using it on 18?
Mine on 17 is fast and I have not upgraded it. When 18 launched (not beta) people complained 18 was too slow, so I didn't update. Then some said 18.1 improved things.
Anyway you can still reset it and install 18
 
The point being that you shouldn't assume that the performance will be just as bad in the non-beta release of 26.
Personally I woulnd't assume that non-beta 26 will be much better than the current beta on older hardware either...
 
Any major software update (digits to the left of the decimal point in the version number) may be necessary for lots of reasons but in every case it is A LOT more software running on same old hardware. The creates more work for the hardware and slowdowns are the usual result. If you don’t NEED to update for security, support, features, etc., think carefully about doing so as there will likely be adverse effects.

One trivial example: on my 2017 maxed-out iMac originally delivered and working very well with macOS Mojave, I had to upgrade to support certain software I want and use. That machine finally went to Ventura, which is as far as it would go under Apple’s Software Update. In videos using QuickTime for playback, under Mojave and Monterey I could skip ahead using 2x and 5x speed with no jerkiness. Trying the same in Ventura caused skipping even at 2x speeds. Other processes were slower as well.

Finally the machine’s logic board died and I replaced it with newer.
 
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"finally killed off" I'm sorry but are some of y'all really waiting and saying FINALLY when Apple KILLS your still perfectly working device with one update? lmao
It's literally like thanking apple for making working device unusable so you can go and spend more money on a new device that they'll "FINALLY KILL OFF" in few years once again... geez, no wonder Apple is doing what is doing now.

Instead of thanking apple for killing off your device just downgrade to iPadOS 18 and keep using your perfectly working device.
 
It's a bit annoying that 2018 IPPs shipped with either 4GB or 6GB of RAM. I have one of the lesser ones myself.
 
First, you can go back right now (and I think you should).

But most importantly, it is way, WAY too late in the iOS lifecycle for you to realise this. Major iOS updates destroy devices. This has been true since day one. This is true today. This will probably be true forever. Apple has no incentives to make it better. Apple has no incentives to allow downgrading. Because people (as a majority group), if anything, are practically guaranteed to do one thing: update anything and everything as far as it can go.

Today, updating starting from the fourth major version onwards is a massive risk. For many devices, original + 2 seem to be mostly okay. Before, it was original +1. Before that, it was 0. Updating the oldest compatible device? You’re just asking for your device to be garbage.

Apple, probably for battery life reasons vs iPhones, gives same-chipset iPads one more update. A9 iPad Pros; A10 iPad Pros, and now A12 iPad Pros. Both cases thus far are utter garbage. First and second-gen iPad Pros have appalling battery life on their final versions.

I have been a long-standing proponent of one key rule: never update anything. Keep all devices on the earliest possible major version. When that’s too incompatible, upgrade, and keep the older device for whichever specific function you would like it to perform.

People don’t do this and update anything. I do blame Apple primarily, but frankly, if today, after nineteen whole years of iOS where the only constant has been “final versions aren’t great”, you keep updating devices to these versions willingly, then you kind of deserve to use garbage, frankly.
 
This I fear for my 13 Mini & my partners 14 Pro. Apple should do the right thing & continue to provide security updates for iOS 18 through September 2026.

Also, iOS 18 is far from polished & it is fair to say it’s ~ 7 out of 10 at this point on my 13 Mini. Apple should continue polishing iOS 18 until it’s perfect even if that goes into 2026.

Edit: My recommendation applies to Watch OS as well. Same 7/10 for my S7 & Watch OS 11.
 
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This I fear for my 13 Mini & my partners 14 Pro. Apple should do the right thing & continue to provide security updates for iOS 18 through September 2026.

Also, iOS 18 is far from polished & it is fair to say it’s ~ 7 out of 10 at this point on my 13 Mini. Apple should continue polishing iOS 18 until it’s perfect even if that goes into 2026.
Apple has never provided updates for older major versions for devices that can run later major versions. They should, but they don’t.
 
First, you can go back right now (and I think you should).

But most importantly, it is way, WAY too late in the iOS lifecycle for you to realise this. Major iOS updates destroy devices. This has been true since day one. This is true today. This will probably be true forever. Apple has no incentives to make it better. Apple has no incentives to allow downgrading. Because people (as a majority group), if anything, are practically guaranteed to do one thing: update anything and everything as far as it can go.

Today, updating starting from the fourth major version onwards is a massive risk. For many devices, original + 2 seem to be mostly okay. Before, it was original +1. Before that, it was 0. Updating the oldest compatible device? You’re just asking for your device to be garbage.
Things are not as bad. Thing is you merge 2 separate issues, performance and battery life... I think they deserve to be considered separately...
And even battery life itself can be split into screen-on time and stand-by time.
In terms of performance, while back in A7 time updating to iOS 9 slowed down the device considerably (so 2 OS updates), with M1 and newer we have a lot of headroom, enough to update till the end with no performance penalty.
Having said that, one issue that some can consider part of the performance category is reloads, and they keep increasing as the OS and apps take more RAM so even 8GB RAM can start to reload more than some people would like at some point (it's already the case with heavy multitasking).

Apple, probably for battery life reasons vs iPhones, gives same-chipset iPads one more update. A9 iPad Pros; A10 iPad Pros, and now A12 iPad Pros. Both cases thus far are utter garbage. First and second-gen iPad Pros have appalling battery life on their final versions.
Battery life is a different thing. I have never measured screen on time as I don't use my iPads for many hours running, but standby drain has been a big issue with iPadOS. However it's has been bad for a while and has not become much worse (other than in the beta of 26, hopefully because of the beta but we will see). So it's not like by not updating you solve much.
I have been a long-standing proponent of one key rule: never update anything. Keep all devices on the earliest possible major version. When that’s too incompatible, upgrade, and keep the older device for whichever specific function you would like it to perform.
This is something I have mixed feelings about. While it's what I do with my mini 2 (which I use for 32bit apps), I am not sure many people would buy and new iPad and use the old one to do only 1 task (that could be done just as well or better by the new one).
Having said that, not updating (because you can't or because you don't want to) works great on Android, where older versions still do over 90% of things. Take Android 10 from 2019, it still does almost everything. Now take iOS 12 or 13 from that same year, they are becoming unusable become a lot of things no longer work on them...
I am confident my S7/8 on Android 14 will be perfectly fine 10 years for now. Not so sure about my iPad 2018 on iOS 17 (I am still debating whether to upgrade to 18, but it will not see 26).
People don’t do this and update anything. I do blame Apple primarily, but frankly, if today, after nineteen whole years of iOS where the only constant has been “final versions aren’t great”, you keep updating devices to these versions willingly, then you kind of deserve to use garbage, frankly.
Honestly, I think that other than standby time issues, my 16GB RAM M1 will be perfectly fine on its final OS (iPadOS 28), although it will stay on 15 for a couple more years because that's the only way to keep Windows virtualized on it...
 
First, you can go back right now (and I think you should).

But most importantly, it is way, WAY too late in the iOS lifecycle for you to realise this. Major iOS updates destroy devices. This has been true since day one. This is true today. This will probably be true forever. Apple has no incentives to make it better. Apple has no incentives to allow downgrading. Because people (as a majority group), if anything, are practically guaranteed to do one thing: update anything and everything as far as it can go.

Today, updating starting from the fourth major version onwards is a massive risk. For many devices, original + 2 seem to be mostly okay. Before, it was original +1. Before that, it was 0. Updating the oldest compatible device? You’re just asking for your device to be garbage.

Apple, probably for battery life reasons vs iPhones, gives same-chipset iPads one more update. A9 iPad Pros; A10 iPad Pros, and now A12 iPad Pros. Both cases thus far are utter garbage. First and second-gen iPad Pros have appalling battery life on their final versions.

I have been a long-standing proponent of one key rule: never update anything. Keep all devices on the earliest possible major version. When that’s too incompatible, upgrade, and keep the older device for whichever specific function you would like it to perform.

People don’t do this and update anything. I do blame Apple primarily, but frankly, if today, after nineteen whole years of iOS where the only constant has been “final versions aren’t great”, you keep updating devices to these versions willingly, then you kind of deserve to use garbage, frankly.

To each their own.
Macs and even iPads nowadays can update for the good part of 8 years.
Can you imagine someone forcing themselves to use outdated software for that long because they are afraid of impacting the performance of their device?
Yes, you obviously can, but trust me when I say that most people use their devices to get the best out of them for the duration of their life, instead of having them frozen in history.
The only situation where it makes sense to not upgrade OS is if you are using a Mac as an appliance doing a very specific task, such as in a recording studio for example. But even in this case the reasons for not upgrading are not those you are worried about.
 
you keep updating devices to these versions willingly, then you kind of deserve to use garbage, frankly.
We "deserve to use garbage" if we spend a grand on a device and expect it to be updated with the latest apps for as many years as possible? That's certainly an opinion.

When that’s too incompatible, upgrade
So should we upgrade or shouldn't we? Make up your mind. Obviously if updating the latest apps wouldn't require a new OS then we wouldn't have to update iPadOS. If I followed your advice and only installed 2 new OS versions on my 2021 M1 iPad Pro I'd be stuck on an old version of Logic Pro right now for iPadOS 16 and couldn't use all the features I pay for.

Apple has never provided updates for older major versions for devices that can run later major versions. They should, but they don’t.
They promise to keep you updated and that's just what they do. Google with their Pixels and Pixel tablets with 7 years of promised updates does just the same thing as Apple. If you want security fixes you gotta upgrade the OS to the latest major version. Only difference is their Tensor SoC's are all slow out of the box so your performance will be much worse much sooner than with Apple. At least Apple gives you devices with incredible performance that beats the competition even years down the road. (Like why is my iPhone SE 2022 as snappy as the Pixel 9 Pro, that's just absurd.)

If something like a 4 years old M1 iPad Pro is too slow for you on 18.5 in 2025 then it's not Apple's fault you expect a 4 years old device to perform like a brand new one. I have that iPad and the M4 version and of course the M1 is nowhere near as snappy in day-to-day use. But one's brand new and the other's 4 years old. The M1 certainly isn't unusable. I wouldn't even notice it as much if I didn't have both side by side.

(I admit that after 6 years I might leave the M1 on version 26 or 27 but at that point I am not surprised that an aging M1 chip from 2020 is too slow for the latest 2026/27 OS. Definitely skip the last version or the last 2.) I expect this to be less of an issue with M1 models and even less so with M4 models going forward as the jump in performance with M1 and then with M4 was huge.

It's a bit annoying that 2018 IPPs shipped with either 4GB or 6GB of RAM. I have one of the lesser ones myself.
Very true. The 6GiB versions still keep apps open a fair amount of time when multitasking. Any 4GiB iOS device closes down apps aggressively as it runs out of memory a lot and then all browser tabs reload and so on. It's even worse on my 9th gen iPad that closes down the browser as soon as I switch to Mail and maybe choose a different album to listen to in Music. To be fair it did that from day on (I bought it the month it launched) and it was already underspec'd from the start. Thankfully the days of 3GiB and 4GiB iPads are finally over.
 
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The iPad Pro 2018 was an amazing device and lasted me 7 years. From 2018-2020 it was my main device, replacing my Macbook itself.

Since then, it’s taken a back seat to iphone 16 and macbook M2 s didnt get used much, but when used it still worked brilliantly for an older device. I took the plunge when ios 26 was announced to install the beta since this iPad was listed as supported. However, despite bega updates and a total reformat, the iPad is now almost unusable. Slow, buggy, runs like treacle. Even on older apps that were smooth, it’s now a slow messy and almost unusable device.

Goodbye iPad, you served me well.

On a side note, even if it ran well, I thunk the new liquid glass aesthetic is ugly and childish.

I’ve read postings from numerous people complaining that iPadOS 26 is a slow, choppy and buggy mess on their M4 iPad.

So… give it time I guess.
 
This I fear for my 13 Mini & my partners 14 Pro. Apple should do the right thing & continue to provide security updates for iOS 18 through September 2026.

Also, iOS 18 is far from polished & it is fair to say it’s ~ 7 out of 10 at this point on my 13 Mini. Apple should continue polishing iOS 18 until it’s perfect even if that goes into 2026.

Edit: My recommendation applies to Watch OS as well. Same 7/10 for my S7 & Watch OS 11.
RIP 13 mini. I have the same fear for this upcoming cycle, and I don’t see too many compelling reasons to upgrade. I think I’m going to stay on 18 as well, especially after what I’ve seen of iOS26 on my test devices so far.

Using an Apple Watch SE2 as a pocket watch. It (plus an Airpod) gets me almost everything I ‘need’ on the go, sans a browser… usually that is ok.
 
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To each their own.
Macs and even iPads nowadays can update for the good part of 8 years.
Can you imagine someone forcing themselves to use outdated software for that long because they are afraid of impacting the performance of their device?
Yes, you obviously can, but trust me when I say that most people use their devices to get the best out of them for the duration of their life, instead of having them frozen in history.
The only situation where it makes sense to not upgrade OS is if you are using a Mac as an appliance doing a very specific task, such as in a recording studio for example. But even in this case the reasons for not upgrading are not those you are worried about.
And I think that’s okay. But then you can’t complain about it when it inevitably has worse performance and especially when battery life falls apart.

This is the current status. This has been the case for iOS’ entire history. If you update to the latest major version on the oldest supported device (especially on iPads which have historically gotten one more major version, at least recently), you cannot expect much.

That was all I said. You prefer the support rather than just upgrading when the device is pushed too far? Okay, but then you can’t complain about it being slow and/or about it having poor battery life. You have to know how things are by now.

Or frankly, as somebody who has been using non-updated devices my entire iOS life, you can be a couple of versions behind, there’s practically no difference.

You’re better off updating when the device responds better (not perfectly though, there’s practically always an impact with major versions, that’s why my iPhone Xʀ runs iOS 12 and my iPad Air 5 runs iPadOS 15), which in practice means the first two or three major versions and then upgrading the device rather than pushing through the later part of the support chain where everything crumbles. Maybe you get a little more. Maybe you have four versions. But that’s me. I get it if you update through that final part, but I don’t feel for you when it crumbles and you complain about it. By now users should know better.
 
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