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When iPhone 15 was launched, Apple deleted the iPhone 13 mini. This was strange because it negatively affects their ROI. The iPhone 12/13 mini had already been designed. Keeping it on the shelf costs very little. Some people thought it was to optimize the supply chain and reduce complexity in the Apple Store.

Today, the iPhone 14 Plus remains in the lineup. This suggests the Plus sold much better and mini sales were so bad, it wasn't even worth keeping on the shelf regardless of sunk costs.

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I’ve never really bought the arguments about it selling poorly. I think it has more to do with the mini costing $100 less. Would you rather have 20% margins on a $700 mini or an $800 regular?

In that case, the SE shouldn't exist. Only the iPhone 16 Pro Max 1TB should be for sale.

There's customers at every price level, that's why Apple keeps most old iPhones on the shelf.
 
We all know it’s because Apple wanted to increase base pricing:

iPhone 11 started at $699

12/13 Mini started at $699

iPhone 12 started at $799

iPhone 14 Plus started at $899

Removing the 12/13 Mini from the lineup pretty much enabled Apple to start base iPhone pricing at $799.
 
When iPhone 15 was launched, Apple deleted the iPhone 13 mini. This was strange because it negatively affects their ROI. The iPhone 12/13 mini had already been designed. Keeping it on the shelf costs very little. Some people thought it was to optimize the supply chain and reduce complexity in the Apple Store.

Today, the iPhone 14 Plus remains in the lineup. This suggests the Plus sold much better and mini sales were so bad, it wasn't even worth keeping on the shelf regardless of sunk costs.

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Yes. I had a iPhone 12 mini, loved the form factor hated the phone. Battery life was complete garbage and the phone got hot fast. Just wasn't for me but I tried it...
 
Keeping it on the shelf costs very little.

Is that true?

There’s cost to keeping the material supply going, manufacture, logistics… it’s expensive. Plus any material that are used to make minis aren’t being used for pricier models. And when you’re creating billions of phones… that probably matters.
 
We all know it’s because Apple wanted to increase base pricing:

iPhone 11 started at $699

12/13 Mini started at $699

iPhone 12 started at $799

iPhone 14 Plus started at $899

Removing the 12/13 Mini from the lineup pretty much enabled Apple to start base iPhone pricing at $799.
It’s like car manufacturers in North America. Remove lower priced products (compact cars) and then you can say nobody buy smaller products (because nobody can buy it).

It’s just a stunt to make more money. I’m sure if they have done a good marketing and keep it available to buy it would have sold well. It should be illegal to influence data like that.
 
It was a design that only appealed to people (including me) who valued the small size over other stuff. Those who valued battery life more didn’t get a mini. Those who valued better cameras more didn’t get a mini. Those who valued better screen refresh rates more didn’t get a mini. Even those who valued price didn’t get a mini. And so on…

I love my mini it still rock it today, but it just wasn’t a good mix of features for the price for too many people.
 
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Just recently went to the 13 mini after my 14 pro battery swelled. No interest in dropping another 1k on a phone that barely lasted two years. Apple wouldn’t doing anything (out of warranty) had no drops / sign of damage…no regrets love the 13 mini and its form and won’t be going back to bigger phones. A pro mini would sell very well imo
 
Because battery life is poor. They needed a bigger battery!

If they made it last all day, it’ll be the perfect phone to have.
 
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I keep a 13 mini as a running phone and sometimes use it when I’m going out for the evening and it’s a joy to use. Battery life is terrible but for limited use it’s worth keeping.
 
It’s like car manufacturers in North America. Remove lower priced products (compact cars) and then you can say nobody buy smaller products (because nobody can buy it).

It’s just a stunt to make more money. I’m sure if they have done a good marketing and keep it available to buy it would have sold well. It should be illegal to influence data like that.
Your first paragraph is so true. Also let’s not forgot about trim levels. Hahahaha.
 
I’ve never really bought the arguments about it selling poorly. I think it has more to do with the mini costing $100 less. Would you rather have 20% margins on a $700 mini or an $800 regular?
Not only does it cost $100 less, but probably people buying it use fewer apps, and spend less on in-app purchases overall. So it's a lower cost phone, that brings in less revenue. For Apple, it's a bad phone.
 
Ah yes the iPhone mini project. No doubt Apple wanted to try out the possibilities of a smaller X gen, a kind of equivalent of the ”old” 5s/SE, and it’s logical in my eyes. The concept was clear and simple; make a smaller phone of the base phone and meet the wish of a specific market group (don’t forget it was many who asked for it at the time), making their customer base happy and also hoping to broaden the total market shares. To make a smaller pro phone was never feasible, still isn’t I’m afraid, they just went the other way and made it bigger…

In the end Apple had to realise that needed revenue of the mini just didn’t reach the needed levels to motivate keeping producing it and develop new gens. We’ve all seen the numbers, nothing strange here. Apple was bleeding too much here and it’s not a charity, they need to direct efforts and investments to products that give them a reasonable base to work with. If customer sales are votes, the results was unfortunately clear here; not many was voting on it. I think apple genuinely went in to the mini venture hoping to see higher figures matching base or plus models, otherwise they would never have launched it. It ended up as an inflamed appendix in their books, had to be cut.

Why didn’t the mini concept work this time around? I think, as mentioned, it basically came down mostly to the poor battery life. Many who wanted the mini just had to realise they didn’t want this much energy restraint, on a device that costs fairly much. I think most mini buyers were/are not YtY buyers, they are more a 3-5 year cycle minded group. I might be wrong here but that’s my theory. And in this case, the battery capacity becomes a bigger and more important parameter. I had myself both the 12 and 13 mini, came from the X, and loved the thought of the concept, but couldn’t get it to work with my usage in the long run. The restraints was mainly battery life and screen size, of course the very obvious ones. If it had an amazing battery life on par with base phone, I don’t know if I would have stayed anyway. So, I have to ask if it’s really down to screen size for major part of the customer base? Apple seem to be heading in a specific direction with more lighter phones with larger screens, even if it’s been in small steps. A possible iPhone air/ultra coming up according to rumours, bigger then base model but lighter…? That’s where we are today.

As a former mini fan I’m now trying to see how the 16P will work. I just very much like the pro features but will the weight and battery life vs extra features really be worth it? Let’s see.
 
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So why does the SE exist?
I think because it has fairly good battery life, and relatively ”good” price to get into the apple system. And Touch ID don’t forget which is fairly popular still.

Edit: have to add, with a very effective and low cost manufacturing Apple still have huge margins/profits from the sales. Probably biggest reason.
 
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I’ve always preferred the smaller phone because I don’t like running with a bulky one strapped to my arm. Started with an SE1 and now have a 12 mini. Suits me fine.

However, I now also have an Ultra 2 so the phone rarely goes running with me anyway. If I’m leaving it at home most of the time, I guess the size is less relevant and my next iPhone may well be a larger one (especially since replacing my iPad mini with an M1 iPad Pro).

I guess the watch fulfills my need for a “small phone” nowadays.
 
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13 mini has excellent battery life for me, I have like 70% battery at the end of the day with moderate usage (playing music, checking messages, reading news throughout the day). The only downside to the phone is that the text is sometimes too small and the UI is scaled in a way it's not perfectly sharp even though the display has the highest pixel density of all iPhones. I probably wouldn't buy another mini though as I would prefer a larger display on my next phone.
 
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