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I would not mind if they made a new mini to be the same size as the iPhone 5s.

Imagine an iPhone mini with an edge-to-edge 120Hz screen and flagship specs that is the same as the 5s.
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I would not mind if they made a new mini to be the same size as the iPhone 5s.

Imagine an iPhone mini with an edge-to-edge 120Hz screen and flagship specs that is the same as the 5s.
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For sure that would be an amazing phone 🤩 but most can’t deal with this small screen anymore. Imagine a new phone close to be as light as a mini but with bigger screen; the ultra/air iPhone?
 
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I think because it has fairly good battery life, and relatively ”good” price to get into the apple system. And Touch ID don’t forget which is fairly popular still.

Edit: have to add, with a very effective and low cost manufacturing Apple still have huge margins/profits from the sales. Probably biggest reason.
The mini has longer battery life than the SE.

Well the margin should be bigger on the mini since the difference in resale value is bigger than the BOM.
 
The mini has longer battery life than the SE.

Well the margin should be bigger on the mini since the difference in resale value is bigger than the BOM.
Correct, the mini has slightly better battery life then the SE(2022), officially! Thanks for underlining this.

As stated, it’s fairly good, considering its smaller battery. In practice it has shown to pull over its weight in battery life despite Apples numbers, and be quite a battery effective little thing compared to the mini. (You can’t help wondering if Apple deliberately held down the numbers just slightly in advantage of the mini…) I should have said that the battery life is more or less on par with the mini, to not be seen as a drawback at least.

You might definitely be right about Apples margins on the mini, nobody really knows but a few I guess. But considering Apple has been improving the manufacturing of the SE basically all the way from iPhone 6, now with ”low cost locations”, and ok sales figures still globally, I think they are sustaining a sweat deal here.
 
Ah yes the iPhone mini project. No doubt Apple wanted to try out the possibilities of a smaller X gen, a kind of equivalent of the ”old” 5s/SE, and it’s logical in my eyes. The concept was clear and simple; make a smaller phone of the base phone and meet the wish of a specific market group (don’t forget it was many who asked for it at the time), making their customer base happy and also hoping to broaden the total market shares. To make a smaller pro phone was never feasible, still isn’t I’m afraid, they just went the other way and made it bigger…

In the end Apple had to realise that needed revenue of the mini just didn’t reach the needed levels to motivate keeping producing it and develop new gens. We’ve all seen the numbers, nothing strange here. Apple was bleeding too much here and it’s not a charity, they need to direct efforts and investments to products that give them a reasonable base to work with. If customer sales are votes, the results was unfortunately clear here; not many was voting on it. I think apple genuinely went in to the mini venture hoping to see higher figures matching base or plus models, otherwise they would never have launched it. It ended up as an inflamed appendix in their books, had to be cut.

Why didn’t the mini concept work this time around? I think, as mentioned, it basically came down mostly to the poor battery life. Many who wanted the mini just had to realise they didn’t want this much energy restraint, on a device that costs fairly much. I think most mini buyers were/are not YtY buyers, they are more a 3-5 year cycle minded group. I might be wrong here but that’s my theory. And in this case, the battery capacity becomes a bigger and more important parameter. I had myself both the 12 and 13 mini, came from the X, and loved the thought of the concept, but couldn’t get it to work with my usage in the long run. The restraints was mainly battery life and screen size, of course the very obvious ones. If it had an amazing battery life on par with base phone, I don’t know if I would have stayed anyway. So, I have to ask if it’s really down to screen size for major part of the customer base? Apple seem to be heading in a specific direction with more lighter phones with larger screens, even if it’s been in small steps. A possible iPhone air/ultra coming up according to rumours, bigger then base model but lighter…? That’s where we are today.

As a former mini fan I’m now trying to see how the 16P will work. I just very much like the pro features but will the weight and battery life vs extra features really be worth it? Let’s see.
Agreed. Apple tested the market in essence and found out perhaps that it wasn’t such a big deal to consumers. No pun intended
 
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I went mini 13 - Flip 5 and now back on a 15 pro.

I wanted to go minimalistic and offline mostly, now divorced, travel frequently and making new friends, social media is important for me now to stay connected.

The mini and flip 5 have bad battery life if you need to use your phone frequently (Google maps, social media, spotify)

The flip 5 was a nice detour but too impractical and fragile.

I dont think a mini iphone fits my needs anymore, as i noticed for myself the more social i become the more i need my phone, and i like being social nowdays.
 
Ah yes the iPhone mini project. No doubt Apple wanted to try out the possibilities of a smaller X gen, a kind of equivalent of the ”old” 5s/SE, and it’s logical in my eyes. The concept was clear and simple; make a smaller phone of the base phone and meet the wish of a specific market group (don’t forget it was many who asked for it at the time), making their customer base happy and also hoping to broaden the total market shares. To make a smaller pro phone was never feasible, still isn’t I’m afraid, they just went the other way and made it bigger…

In the end Apple had to realise that needed revenue of the mini just didn’t reach the needed levels to motivate keeping producing it and develop new gens. We’ve all seen the numbers, nothing strange here. Apple was bleeding too much here and it’s not a charity, they need to direct efforts and investments to products that give them a reasonable base to work with. If customer sales are votes, the results was unfortunately clear here; not many was voting on it. I think apple genuinely went in to the mini venture hoping to see higher figures matching base or plus models, otherwise they would never have launched it. It ended up as an inflamed appendix in their books, had to be cut.

Why didn’t the mini concept work this time around? I think, as mentioned, it basically came down mostly to the poor battery life. Many who wanted the mini just had to realise they didn’t want this much energy restraint, on a device that costs fairly much. I think most mini buyers were/are not YtY buyers, they are more a 3-5 year cycle minded group. I might be wrong here but that’s my theory. And in this case, the battery capacity becomes a bigger and more important parameter. I had myself both the 12 and 13 mini, came from the X, and loved the thought of the concept, but couldn’t get it to work with my usage in the long run. The restraints was mainly battery life and screen size, of course the very obvious ones. If it had an amazing battery life on par with base phone, I don’t know if I would have stayed anyway. So, I have to ask if it’s really down to screen size for major part of the customer base? Apple seem to be heading in a specific direction with more lighter phones with larger screens, even if it’s been in small steps. A possible iPhone air/ultra coming up according to rumours, bigger then base model but lighter…? That’s where we are today.

As a former mini fan I’m now trying to see how the 16P will work. I just very much like the pro features but will the weight and battery life vs extra features really be worth it? Let’s see.
Actually I am that guy. I've owned every generation iPhone back to the original. After trying the iPhone 14 Pro, I returned it to go back to my iPhone 13 mini (I also have my 12 mini on the shelf just in case). I've never minded the battery life, but it's starting to get worn out now. So I'll head to the Apple Store for a new battery. But honestly, I have no desire to own one of these giant phones. My wife has a 15 Pro Max and it's obnoxious to use. Here's hoping for a new small factor iPhone 17
 
Not only does it cost $100 less, but probably people buying it use fewer apps, and spend less on in-app purchases overall. So it's a lower cost phone, that brings in less revenue. For Apple, it's a bad phone.
This doesn’t really make sense as there are currently, and have been for very long, iPhones that cost less than $699. It would make even less sense if the SE 4 is what the rumors make out to be (Basically a single camera iPhone 14 but with USB-C and an A18 for AI).

If the mini is a bad phone at $699 then it would make the current iPhone 15s bad phones as well as the 14s and SE. Why would a $699 or less 6.1” be worth keeping around but not a $699 or less mini? There’s likely another factor. A big one perhaps.
 
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I would be happy with a 5.8 inch phone (size of iPhone 8).

I'm not sure what Apple is doing right now.

They will have iPhone, iPhone Pro and iPhone SE all the same size that a lot of people find too big. Ideally there would be a small phone, a medium phone and a large phone so everyone's happy.
 
The mini was the perfect iPhone for more people I personally know than the Plus or even Pro has been, including me. Would have been nice if they kept it around on the lineup. In that alternate reality where the mini did actually succeed, it'd be interesting to see what the 16 mini would look like right now. Dynamic Island and better performance and battery life is all I really wanted.
 
I think because it has fairly good battery life,


SE2 did not have good battery life compared to the other SE Phones ( and along with the 12 Mini has some of the worst battery life ever on a iPhone). Basically after a month of usage battery capacity drops by 1% to99% ( that has happened to me twice when I had that phone compared to the SE3 when around or close to 7 months of usage battery capacity droppped by 1% to 99%😊

The mini has longer battery life than the SE.

Well the margin should be bigger on the mini since the difference in resale value is bigger than the BOM.

I think it could be close when comparing the 12 Mini to the SE3 in this regard especially considering A15 and the pixels/resolution for the SE3 keeps the 12 Mini at bay in this department
 
AAPL iPhone Devision is merely selling to The Market.

Love my 13-mini (have another waiting as backup). I never go a week without someone asking me what I'm using . . .

Absolute, Penultimate iPhone Design, yet lost in the lustdesire for girth&length
I wish I had done that, I have the 2022 SE in it's place and will be picking up another as a backup now that the new one is coming out and sounds gigantic, Apple really does seem to think it's all about price for the small phone fans.
 
I wish I had done that, I have the 2022 SE in it's place and will be picking up another as a backup now that the new one is coming out and sounds gigantic, Apple really does seem to think it's all about price for the small phone fans.

Backup Strategies are good :)
 
I use my phone for gaming and lengthy photography sessions and so found the 12 Mini to be wanting in this key are *for me* but the rest of it was pure beauty. IMO it was how phones should be, a digital Swiss Army knife with a screen you can reach 100% of with one hand.

I’m loath to call Apple users ‘sheep’ because I’ve been here for over 20 years but when Steve was around there was a definite hanging off his words. This was largely down to users being lovers of good design I think and Jobs knowing how to present it to people.

What I’m getting at is that if Jobs were still in charge of Apple I think the Mini would actually be the default iPhone size, the regular model would be the larger option and people would go “You know, Jobs is right. Those stupidly big Android handsets are a time sucking, ergonomic nightmare. He would only have to point out how having a loose grip on your phone makes it a lot more likelier it will break and smash. He’d pull up some broken screen stat showing a much higher rate of drops of S23 Ultras vs 13 Minis or something and people would lap it up.

As he always said “You can’t give people what they want, you have to show them what they need.” Unfortunately there isn’t any company out there on the market doing this anymore.
 
Is that true?

There’s cost to keeping the material supply going, manufacture, logistics… it’s expensive. Plus any material that are used to make minis aren’t being used for pricier models. And when you’re creating billions of phones… that probably matters.
Apple isn't giving away iPhone minis for free.
 
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Because battery life is poor. They needed a bigger battery!

If they made it last all day, it’ll be the perfect phone to have.
Depends on your use. The 12 mini was a bit too short on battery life, but you can get a solid day of use on the 13 mini if you live in a place with good network coverage (the iPhone hates low bars!), you don’t use directions often and you have the latest version of iOS.
 
The iPhone 12 and 13 Mini's likely did sell poorly, I don't doubt that. But I still love my iPhone 13 Mini and will keep using it as long as I can. I must be in a minority but it is the only iPhone I ever owned that I actually love, and it is my fourth iPhone I have owned. BTW, the best friend of a Mini iPhone is a MagSafe battery pack or an equivalent 3rd party replacement. I primarily use my battery pack when traveling, especially by air, or at meetings or conferences. Use of that battery pack, makes my phone easily last all day and then some. Another way to keep it running for long periods is extensive use of "Low Power Mode". Beyond that, the battery life of my 13 Mini is at least as good as the 3 predecessors I have owned. The worst iPhone I ever had, was also the most expensive one I had bought, the iPhone Xs. The stainless steel frame made it heavy to hold, the battery life was terrible, and its Intel modem was really bad.
 
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Real iPhone enthusiasts buy the Minis and not the Pros. Nobody cares about sales numbers. I bought both the 12 mini and 13 mini. They are the best "modern" iPhones. They aren't even small by any normal person's standards.

I rewatched the 2007 iPhone reveal presentation and Steve emphasized that they "designed something beautiful for your hand." New iPhones aren't designed with much thought for how it feels to hold it.
 
Apple doesn't sell to fill a market niche. Apple sells to make money. The iPhone mini didn't make enough money – but you can count on the fact that it DID make money. They won't make another, because they've essentially forced users to pay $100 more for a bigger phone. Sure, that sucks, but it's business. I have a 13 mini and love it, but I've accepted that reality that it's not replaceable.
 
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