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Calling one budget and one high end is a sign of the time it was purchased.
When the iPhone 6,6S, and 7 were new, their design was "high end". Why is the design of the SE2 any less "high end" than that?
Sure, it's a previous design, outdated maybe, classic yes...

When you're comparing what you have to what is a new option, there's always the back and forth in making a decision.

I notice this alot with buying cars.
Of course what I'm replacing is going to be older than what is new but usually is inline as far as being either base, midrange, highend, luxury... But it being comfortable to you and your passengers and the way it drives will always be different.

Some people don't care, they buy a black 3 series every 7 years no matter what, most of us are happy to shop around for what is the best for me, my family and my pocketbook.


Speaking specifically about the iPhone mini, I love mine and it replaced my iPhone 8 because I couldn't bear the weight of the X.
Agree about the volume buttons, I do like the power button, but now that the sides are flat, I wish I could balance it on the edge like I could the 4&5 for taking photos.
Also agree about swiping down for notifications and control center. It sucks. I never use notifications so no big there, but I really have to do control center with 2 hands.
So I’m a firm believer in one handed use and the whole needing two hands for control center pissed me off as well.

then I read a post about a trick that helped me. There’s an option where you can simply tap the back of the phone with your fingers and the control center will pop up.
It’s a bit laggy but I’ll say it’s a good half step closer to one handed use. Better then having to clutch with both hands at least. If they could program out the laggy ness of it then I’ll really love it.

the way to access it is Accessability -> touch -> back tap

from there you can chose if it’s two taps or three taps to activate it.

try it and see what you think. For me like I said it gets be 50% happier. Maybe you’ll find it useful
 
If doesn’t feel fine if they discontinue the mini and turn it into the se3. I wouldn’t mine that’s for sure, notch and all.
 
Speaking specifically about the iPhone mini, I love mine and it replaced my iPhone 8 because I couldn't bear the weight of the X.
Agree about the volume buttons, I do like the power button, but now that the sides are flat, I wish I could balance it on the edge like I could the 4&5 for taking photos.
Also agree about swiping down for notifications and control center. It sucks. I never use notifications so no big there, but I really have to do control center with 2 hands.
Macsound1, how do you find typing on the mini vs the 8? I'm in the exact same boat (looking to replace my 8 with a 12 mini) and haven't been able to find any direct comparisons with rags to typing. I still have an original SE as my secondary/work phone & it's obviously a different typing experience compared to the 8, but I know that the mini is wider than the original SE. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks
 
Macsound1, how do you find typing on the mini vs the 8? I'm in the exact same boat (looking to replace my 8 with a 12 mini) and haven't been able to find any direct comparisons with rags to typing. I still have an original SE as my secondary/work phone & it's obviously a different typing experience compared to the 8, but I know that the mini is wider than the original SE. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks

Personally, I find typing on my SE 2020 (exact same dimensions as iphone 8) slightly easier than on my 12 Mini where I seem to make more mis types. I have since gotten more used to typing on the Mini, but with the SE 2020 slightly wider screen its bit easier.
 
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Macsound1, how do you find typing on the mini vs the 8? I'm in the exact same boat (looking to replace my 8 with a 12 mini) and haven't been able to find any direct comparisons with rags to typing. I still have an original SE as my secondary/work phone & it's obviously a different typing experience compared to the 8, but I know that the mini is wider than the original SE. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks

I have had iPhone 12 mini for about two weeks and I swapped for iPhone 12

The form factor is just feel weird to me. It is slightly narrower and teller than iPhone SE 2. Everything feel crammed to me.

On screen keyboard is slightly narrower than iPhone SE. I also found I have more typo on iPhone 12 mini than iPhone SE 2.

As for iPhone SE 1. I have not powered on this phone for more than 2 years. I think the battery is dead at this point. 4 inch phone is thing in the past. There is no possible way for me to re-adopt 4 inch form factor.
 
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Personally, I find typing on my SE 2020 (exact same dimensions as iphone 8) slightly easier than on my 12 Mini where I seem to make more mis types. I have since gotten more used to typing on the Mini, but with the SE 2020 slightly wider screen its bit easier.

Thank you!
 
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I have had iPhone 12 mini for about two weeks and I swapped for iPhone 12

The form factor is just feel weird to me. It is slightly narrower and teller than iPhone SE 2. Everything feel crammed to me.

On screen keyboard is slightly narrower than iPhone SE. I also found I have more typo on iPhone 12 mini than iPhone SE 2.

As for iPhone SE 1. I have not powered on this phone for more than 2 years. I think the battery is dead at this point. 4 inch phone is thing in the past. There is no possible way for me to re-adopt 4 inch form factor.

Thank you!
 
Macsound1, how do you find typing on the mini vs the 8? I'm in the exact same boat (looking to replace my 8 with a 12 mini) and haven't been able to find any direct comparisons with rags to typing. I still have an original SE as my secondary/work phone & it's obviously a different typing experience compared to the 8, but I know that the mini is wider than the original SE. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks
I love it. Much appreciate the square sides because it feels slimmer than the 8.
 
Calling one budget and one high end is a sign of the time it was purchased.
When the iPhone 6,6S, and 7 were new, their design was "high end". Why is the design of the SE2 any less "high end" than that?
Sure, it's a previous design, outdated maybe, classic yes...

Well, sure, if you want to talk about ‘vintage/classic/antique’ etc., but nobody would disagree that the Mini has a modern design, while the SE2 has an old-school design (to be nice). Anyway, the price difference between the two says it all. One of them costs twice as much as the other one. Based on specs, materials, design and price the Mini is high end while the SE2 is a budget phone. They aren’t meant for the same market. I don’t understand how that’s not obvious...
 
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First some background: My first iPhone was the 3GS, then I went through the 4S, 5 and 6. It turned out that I don’t like the 6/7/8/SE2 form factor. The soap-bar edges makes the 6 quite slippery, and it is just too big to comfortably use with one hand. I had to constantly adjust my grip and/or use the Reachability feature. Regarding pocketability it was a bit too wide and tall as well. I also didn’t like the fact that the power button moved from the top to the side (more on that below). I finally ditched the 6 for the SE1 when it came out, and later upgraded to the 128 GB version of the SE. That’s still what I use today, and I’m really glad that Apple is returning to a smaller form factor with flat edges.

So here are my thoughts about the 12 mini in comparison to the SE (1st gen). This is all highly subjective of course, but I’d like to give my perspective and see what other people have to say.

Outer dimensions: In terms of size the 12 mini sits right between the SE1 and the SE2, both in width and in height, leaning slightly to the SE2 size (cf. here). My hope is that it’s still fine, given the flat edges, but the width does worry me a little bit. It seems that the width will be like the 6/7/8/SE2 minus the rounded edges.

Screen dimensions: Here is a visual comparison. Even moreso than with the 6/7/8/SE2, reaching to the top/bottom of the display will require adjusting the grip with one-handed use. This is pretty much inevitable with any screen larger than the 4-inch SE1. The Reachability option still exists, but now requires swiping down over the bottom of the screen, which I imagine requires a bit more dexterity than double-tapping the home button. The control center unfortunately now requires swiping down from the top right, which is less reachable than swiping up from the bottom on the SE. Alternatively one can either use the Reachability feature (requiring two swipes instead of one) or use the double back-tap feature to access the control center. It seems to me that the double back-tap still requires adjusting the grip a little, but I’ll have to try it with the actual device. Overall, the 12 mini is definitely still a downgrade regarding one-handed use, due to the screen size. But maybe the smaller chassis (compared to the 6/7/8/SE2) will make it more manageable.

Screen aspect ratio: Starting with the iPhone X, the aspect ratio of the display has become taller, even when just considering the so-called safe area without the top and bottom insets. (It’s roughly 19:9 vs. 16:9.) That’s great in portrait mode, but when using landscape mode, for example to read a website that doesn’t allow adjusting the font size relative to the line width (something I do rather often), this means that one will effectively get a viewport with reduced height compared to the SE.

The notch: Not a fan. Not much more to say. From the pictures it seems that it may be slightly less conspicuous on the mini, because it takes up more of the relative width and hence the “ears” beside it are smaller.

Touch ID: That’s a big one for me, as I’m not fond of Face ID for all the usual reasons. The iPad Air 4 announcement had me hoping that iPhone 12 would get Touch ID on the power button as well. I really hope that Apple will be adding it in an upcoming iteration.

Power button placement: I find the power button at the top more convenient for one-handed use. That’s because one can securely grip the phone on both of the long edges and then use the index finger to press the power button. With the power button on the side, the grip is less stable when pressing the power button with the thumb. Another reason is consistency with the iPads. When I had the iPhone 6, I wasn’t able to correct my muscle memory for the power button due to also using an iPad mini, and often unconsciously tried to press the wrong location. Yet another reason is that the power button on the side is located opposite the volume buttons. When adjusting volume, or in particular when using the volume buttons to take a picture, one has to take care to not press the power button at the same time (happened to me quite often with the 6). I wish that Apple would have relocated the power button back to the top for the 12 mini.

Volume button design: I like the circular volume buttons of the SE. Due to that shape you know right away that you are on a volume button when you feel them, in contrast to the newer models where the volume and power buttons have basically the same shape. The gap between the SE volume buttons is also more obvious to the touch than with the stripe-shaped buttons on newer models. Even in terms of looks I prefer the circular buttons, they have a kind of utilitarian/industrial vibe.

Back-cover material: The matte aluminum back on the SE is absolutely delightful both to the touch (it has just the right amount of friction) and to the eye (the silver version in particular). I dread the glossiness and the increased friction of the newer models’ glass back. Maybe the matte Pro version would be fine (didn’t have it in hands yet), but it’s not available in the mini form factor unfortunately. I’m fully aware that the glass material is necessary for wireless charging in particular, but it also adds more weight, and considering all aspects it’s the wrong trade-off in my mind.

Front side color: I’m a fan of the white front in the older models. It makes for a lighter look and makes the device look less massive as a physical object. I was disappointed when Apple ditched the white fronts on the newer iPad models. The current iPhone models have still a significant bezel, and I would prefer those to be a light color instead of having a black mourning edge around my screen. On the other hand I fully undestand those who like the black; a long time ago I did prefer black devices and seamless displays myself.

Front bezels: Looking at the images, the iPhone 12 bezels are almost as thick as the bezels on the long edges of the SE. It would have been nice to get an actual edge-to-edge screen, and in return a slightly narrower chassis.

Color choices: It’s great that there are more color choices with recent iPhone generations (not counting the 5C), however I’m likely to stick with silver/white. I would have liked the blue version if it didn’t have that slight green tint on the back (the edges are fine), and I would consider the red version if it didn’t have the “(PRODUCT)RED” imprint on the back. There's always something. ;)

Camera bump: The flush camera design of the SE is clearly preferable. If not for the added weight, I’d rather have a thicker phone than a camera bump, but given the technological constraints I guess having the camera bump is an acceptable trade-off.

Battery life: Judging from the tech specs, the 12 mini battery life should be comparable to the SE one (or perhaps better on current iOS), even though the mini’s is slightly worse than for the regular 12. (The only directly comparable spec between mini and SE is for “audio playback”, which is “up to 50 hours” for both.)

Weight: With 113 g for the SE and 135 g (or 133 g for the non-US version) for the mini, the increase is only very slightly more than the ~16% increase in surface area (although the mini is 1.2 mm thinner, not counting the camera bump). It will be interesting to directly compare them side-by-side.

Display: The mini’s OLED display is clearly superior to the SE’s LED display (unless you are PWM-sensitive I guess) in terms of contrast, brightness, black levels, viewing angles, color space, HDR and True Tone. I’m not sure how much the increased PPI (476 vs. 326) actually translates to a better resolution in reality, given the OLED’s pentile matrix. That's a major motivation for an upgrade.

CPU/GPU: The SE holds up really well in my experience (not a gamer), but a significant spec bump is always welcome. I like the emoji they use in the A14 section on the product page. :)

Camera and video recording: Significantly better on the mini for sure, just not a particular focus for me (pun intended). Night mode is probably nice.

5G: Personally, I don’t care at this time. Maybe in a year or two (or three) it will become more relevant.

MagSafe: If the magnets are strong enough that the mini doesn’t easily fall off from a MagSafe charger vertivally attached to the wall, that could actually be quite convenient. MagSafe is up to 15W by the way, while Qi is only up to 7.5W.

Fast charging: The mini is fast-charging-capable which the SE is not. That can certainly be a useful feature in some situations. And since one has to buy a new charger anyway… :rolleyes:

Ceramic Shield: Apparently that’s only on the front cover. The only phone whose screen I broke was the iPhone 6 due to its slipperiness, so not sure how relevant that is.

iBeacon: I don’t really see the use case yet.

Water and dust resistance: The mini being IP68 is certainly nice.

Headphone jack: It would have been nice for Apple to not ditch the headphone jack, and the adapter solution has the drawback (besides having to buy and use an adapter) that the location of the lightning port is less convenient than the headphone jack location at the corner. But, to be honest, since I switched to AirPods I haven’t really used the headphone jack anymore.

Pricing: The 12 mini is rather expensive. The 64 GB SE was $499 upon release in 2016, whereas the mini is at $729 unlocked for the same memory capacity, and doesn’t include a charger (and also no USB-A charging cable).

Despite everything I would like to be different, I will certainly give the 12 mini some sort of hands-on, and I’m even tempted to preorder one in November because I’m curious how it will fare in actual comparison. Luckily there’s still a month to go to mull this over. ;)
12 mini is best as compare to others as well as it is also affordable.
 
I came late(ish) to iPhones, and only after the Palm 3 left the building. The iPhone 4 was a tad large, but tolerable. Followed it with the 5, then the SE, again coping with bigger devices than I really wanted in my pocket. The 128GB one stashes my music for when the car's radio is lacking, but I really do not want a larger phone than the SE. I may grit my teeth and go to the 12 Mini when the SE stops working, but when I want to go web-surfing, that's when I go to the PC and its large 23" screen. I see that I am not the only Luddite in the crowd, and wonder why Apple doesn't see us as an acceptably-sized market sector.
 
I came late(ish) to iPhones, and only after the Palm 3 left the building. The iPhone 4 was a tad large, but tolerable. Followed it with the 5, then the SE, again coping with bigger devices than I really wanted in my pocket. The 128GB one stashes my music for when the car's radio is lacking, but I really do not want a larger phone than the SE. I may grit my teeth and go to the 12 Mini when the SE stops working, but when I want to go web-surfing, that's when I go to the PC and its large 23" screen. I see that I am not the only Luddite in the crowd, and wonder why Apple doesn't see us as an acceptably-sized market sector.
The 12 and 13 mini are physically smaller than the SE2 (and 6,7,8) but slightly larger than the SE (and 5).
Personally coming from the 8, the mini was a dream.
 
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I came late(ish) to iPhones, and only after the Palm 3 left the building. The iPhone 4 was a tad large, but tolerable. Followed it with the 5, then the SE, again coping with bigger devices than I really wanted in my pocket. The 128GB one stashes my music for when the car's radio is lacking, but I really do not want a larger phone than the SE. I may grit my teeth and go to the 12 Mini when the SE stops working, but when I want to go web-surfing, that's when I go to the PC and its large 23" screen. I see that I am not the only Luddite in the crowd, and wonder why Apple doesn't see us as an acceptably-sized market sector.
Those were the days when smartphones were just occasionally used throughout the day, and mostly with one hand. I still use my phone like that (SE1), and jump on an iPad mini when I’m at home, but as we see when we look around, that’s not normal—99% of people are on their phones every chance they get throughout the day no matter where they are. That fact, plus the fact that a larger screen gives companies an excuse to charge a lot more money for not much more manufacturing cost resulting in much higher profit = we Luddites are out on our butts.
At least the iPhone mini is a step in our direction. Even though the 13 is rumored to be its last year. :(
 
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And yet here i am running iOS 15 on my SE1?
And me, as well. It updated to 15.0.2 yesterday. The apps I regularly use all work beautifully, and it still received & makes calls. I have a search running on ebay for another, in case I am foolish enough to bust this one.
 
The original points raised by this post a year ago still hold up - there are engineering decisions made for the mini 12/13 that actually feel like downgrades compared to the SE1, even though the mini is more modern. That said, the mini is the clear-cut best option for anyone wishing to carry the spirit of the SE1 into the next decade. It’s too tall, but otherwise is an excellent 1-handed phone in use.

Let’s also recognize the continued resiliency of the SE1 as a functional device. Still going strong for many!
 
The original points raised by this post a year ago still hold up - there are engineering decisions made for the mini 12/13 that actually feel like downgrades compared to the SE1, even though the mini is more modern. That said, the mini is the clear-cut best option for anyone wishing to carry the spirit of the SE1 into the next decade. It’s too tall, but otherwise is an excellent 1-handed phone in use.

Let’s also recognize the continued resiliency of the SE1 as a functional device. Still going strong for many!

I'm still using my SE 1 and it's still performing very well. It's meeting my needs and is still the best pocketable smartphone that receives OS updates.

This said I am eying the iPhone Mini 13.
 
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I’ve purchased the SE1 on D1, for 604€ (64Gb). Came from 5s, 4S and 3GS.
My SE1 was restored 2 times for home button in 3 months and replaced 7 times with new one in 2 years warranty, everytime the issues were chunky home button in 3/4 weeks (I’ m gentle with it, not rough) and the rear upper glass who chooped away when cpu running hot. Defective by design.
The last one, replaced the last day of warranty ‘cause Czech Apple support (if you send in repair with parcel in EU it will be repaired in Czech) scratch the rear alu, is the best of 7, with me from 5/4/18. Replaced 2 battery thanks to iCloud on iOS 13/14/15, but still in use until Apple launch the mid-term new color 13 mini this spring (my hope is gold 2018 color, same as 8 and orange iMac M1), only ‘cause it will be the last one hand iPhone for years.
 
I've come across this thread and I truly agree with the topic starter's analysis.

1st gen iPhone SE is meticulously thought out in terms of ergonomics and the looks. I can only imagine how much effort was put into every little detail: buttons, size, proportions, materials, weight, tactile feel, durability, colors... a headphone jack ;)

I have the phone for almost 3 years now and planning to hold to it for as long as it lasts.
 
I've come across this thread and I truly agree with the topic starter's analysis.

1st gen iPhone SE is meticulously thought out in terms of ergonomics and the looks. I can only imagine how much effort was put into every little detail: buttons, size, proportions, materials, weight, tactile feel, durability, colors... a headphone jack ;)

I have the phone for almost 3 years now and planning to hold to it for as long as it lasts.

Not that much detail went into it as it was simply an updated iPhone 5/ 5s…

The original was great, however the same level of effort would have gone into making the new mini for example, getting that much tech into something only fractionally larger than the original SE is more of an achievement to be honest.
 
enjoy your iPhone SE 1st gen has it won't be getting IOS 15
To those of you who say the 1st gen SE won't run IOS 15, I beg to differ. I have had my SE for many years and it's running 15.3.1 with no issues. I have never replaced the screen or the battery. I am reluctant to upgrade because I love the size of this phone and none of the newer ones are small enough for me! Obviously the newer models have better cameras and other features that some depend on, but for me this phone has been great.
 
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No issues at all?!

That's great news. Just to check, though…

No change in battery life? Others have reported major hits.

Any slowdowns or sluggishness moving between apps or browsing? Others have reported problems after upgrading from iPS 14 to iOS 15. Which iOS were you using before?

We have two iPhone SEs in the house, and while we'd like to upgrade to iOS 15 for security reasons, we are holding off because of the many negative reports out there!

Wonder if it's app-dependent or free space dependent…
 
I just changed the battery yesterday, but not because it was terrible -- my battery was still at 80% after years of use. I didn't notice any change in battery life after upgrading to 15. I didn't notice any changes after switching.
I'm pretty sure I upgraded from 14, but can't remember -- it's my habit to upgrade whenever I'm prompted for security reasons.
I love my SE, and I'm reluctant to get a new phone because even the minis are bigger than the original SE and I like the small size.
 
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And me, as well. It updated to 15.0.2 yesterday. The apps I regularly use all work beautifully, and it still received & makes calls. I have a search running on ebay for another, in case I am foolish enough to bust this one.
Now running 15.3.1, and still no 'issues'. I have replaced the battery myself once, and it was a PITA. Its battery reports to have 55% maximum capacity, claims it has "normal peak performance", and has "optimized battery charging" set. As it needs more frequent charging, I will pay someone to install a new battery someday soon(ish).
 
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