iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus Could Still Have Smaller Camera Sensor Than Pro Models Despite Upgrade to 48MP

[d5aqoëp]

The company that has managed to create the biggest collection of needlessly proprietary iterations on USB is surely not the one that’s going to struggle implementing USB-C in a smartphone.

You think USB-C is a major technological shift that will cause issues for users, something that Apple won’t get right in the first generation USB-C iPhones?

The Lightning propaganda really has taken its toll! Wow.

-Apple has been using USB-C in MacBooks and iPads and Beats audio products for years and years. How would there be any issues putting it in iPhones?

What kind of Apple Kool-Aid have you been drinking?

Lightning is already USB tech internally. Switching to USB-C is merely switching the physical exterior connectors and ports and (hopefully) disabling all the MFi blocking software that Apple uses to bug us into buying the cables and accessories they earn royalties on.

It’s not even worth explaining or discussing, that’s how easy switching to USB-C will be (but a major positive impact for consumers long term).

And as we’ve seen with iPad 10, Apple can even implement the same USB 2.0 data transfer speeds that Lightning fanatics love so much. So the change might be entirely superficial.

Some thoroughbred Apple diehards would salivate on USB 2.0 speeds over USB-C calling it second homecoming of Baby Jesus.

Giving USB 3.1 Gen 1 (10 year old standard) shouldn’t pose any engineering challenge in this day and age if Apple wants to give super watered down Cameras to non-pro devices. It shouldn’t even be more expensive than current lightning ports and I am sure Apple procures in bulk. It’s just that “Management will” is absent at Apple. It’s all about increasing stock price and customer can go to hell or pay more for Pro models.

Hard upsell tactics.

 

[cmcbhi]

While the best camera to have is the one you have with you; if you REALLY want good pictures, buy a real camera and get some good lenses. Nikon and Canon make great ones.

 

[WWPD]

The larger lens makes the focus range smaller, for the average person who just wants to take pictures of documents and their family I’m not really sure it’s actually a benefit. Maybe if they had variable aperture…

Your profile pic is the best that I have ever seen on this site.

 

[zach-coleman]

Your profile pic is the best that I have ever seen on this site.

Thanks lol, when I first found the picture I was absolutely shocked I had never seen someone on here have it before. I might not be wise enough to deserve it.

 

[SactoGuy18]

You can't compensate smaller sensors by computing power.

But you have to admit that the iPhone does actually take really good pictures even with the limitations of camera sensor. That's what you get with the power of the A-series SoC.

 

[klasma]

But you have to admit that the iPhone does actually take really good pictures even with the limitations of camera sensor. That's what you get with the power of the A-series SoC.

Pictures have actually gotten worse in the last models, because the AI logic is trying to embellish too much and destroys fine details. Even disregarding AI, the quality is much less than what you can achieve using dedicated digital cameras with larger sensors and lenses. Sensor size limits the amount of light that can be registered, there’s just no way around that. The SoC can’t recover any details that weren’t captured in the first place.

 

[CarAnalogy]

well of course, this device only exists for upselling purposes anyway. If they truly cared about providing the best customer experience available, they would put the best tech currently available in "the" iPhonE (singular)

Not to invoke the cliche, but now that I think about it, is it a coincidence that this started with the first phone Steve had no involvement with?

 

[CarAnalogy]

Pictures have actually gotten worse in the last models, because the AI logic is trying to embellish too much and destroys fine details. Even disregarding AI, the quality is much less than what you can achieve using dedicated digital cameras with larger sensors and lenses. Sensor size limits the amount of light that can be registered, there’s just no way around that. The SoC can’t restore any details that weren’t captured in the first place.

It’s gotten so crazy that if you look quickly enough you can see the original, then it switches to the automatically processed. Makes text look a lot better but essentially applies makeup to everything else.

 

[The Game 161]

No surprise the non pro models sensors won’t be same size as the pros.

 

[Pinkyyy 💜🍎]

Not to invoke the cliche, but now that I think about it, is it a coincidence that this started with the first phone Steve had no involvement with?

Makes sense actually. Remember that when Steve returned to Apple in 1997, he removed 90% of the products Apple was making at that time. He seemed to always prefer simplicity in everything, so I don’t think he would’ve liked the current iPhone lineup. He would definitely consider four iPhone models too complicated and would rather go with only one model..

 

[CarAnalogy]

So the cripple a phone on many levels and still ask for $799 or even more?

I recently looked for a new TV and was surprised that TVs despite their size and all those modern features cost much less than smartphones. It seems TVs are getting cheaper while smartphones are getting more expensive. For €749 you already get a 48 inch OLED TV. There are TVs with a screen size over 80 inch for the price of an iPhone 14 Pro.

The reason for that is that those smart TVs are selling your viewing habits to everyone. The iPhone might be cheaper if Apple sold information about everything you did on it to advertisers.

 

[Skyscraperfan]

The reason for that is that those smart TVs are selling your viewing habits to everyone. The iPhone might be cheaper if Apple sold information about everything you did on it to advertisers.

Just don't connect it to the internet. I only use a TV as a monitor and all the content comes from my notebook.

 

[CarAnalogy]

Just don't connect it to the internet. I only use a TV as a monitor and all the content comes from my notebook.

Yes. I have noticed that Roku TVs will constantly blink the power LED at you if there’s no Internet connection.

A little electrical tape fixes that. For now.

 

[Larry-K]

While the best camera to have is the one you have with you; if you REALLY want good pictures, buy a real camera and get some good lenses. Nikon and Canon make great ones.

And the camera you usually have with you is a phone.

I own an extensive collection of Nikon and Canon equipment and most of the time it sits in the closet.

One "Good" lens costs as much as an iPhone and weighs several times as much.

 

[cmcbhi]

And the camera you usually have with you is a phone.

I own an extensive collection of Nikon and Canon equipment and most of the time it sits in the closet.

One "Good" lens costs as much as an iPhone and weighs several times as much.

I do not disagree. But I often go out specifically to take photographs and want my Nikon.
The iPhone takes quite good pics of opportunity, but isn't quite as good. FWIW, I don't have a lens that costs less than my iPhone Pro.

 

[Wowereit]

Makes sense actually. Remember that when Steve returned to Apple in 1997, he removed 90% of the products Apple was making at that time. He seemed to always prefer simplicity in everything, so I don’t think he would’ve liked the current iPhone lineup. He would definitely consider four iPhone models too complicated and would rather go with only one model..

Steve Jobs can be wrong, though. Nowadays there has to be at least 1 normal and 1 max phone.

Asian markets almost exclusively are looking for very large phones and even western markets are gravitating towards larger sizes, the max is a necessity.

But so is the regular sized model. Tons of people don't want a gigantic max, the regular iPhone is a good medium catch-all size.

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were the most successful iPhones ever for a reason. They finally gave customers the larger sizes they wanted.

 

[Pinkyyy 💜🍎]

Steve Jobs can be wrong, though. Nowadays there has to be at least 1 normal and 1 max phone.

Asian markets almost exclusively are looking for very large phones and even western markets are gravitating towards larger sizes, the max is a necessity.

But so is the regular sized model. Tons of people don't want a gigantic max, the regular iPhone is a good medium catch-all size.

iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were the most successful iPhones ever for a reason. They finally gave customers the larger sizes they wanted.

I know. I was just talking about how until iPhone 5 (which was arguably the last iPhone Steve has worked on) Apple released only one iPhone model every year. And then they started releasing two models with the 5s and the 5c and then the 6 and the 6+ until we ended up right now with four models (beside the SE).
I was only talking about what Steve Jobs could’ve possibly done if he looked at the current iPhone lineup, but I’m not necessarily saying that I’d agree with him 😅

I believe there’s nothing wrong with having choices, and there should be at least two models with different sizes. The 6, 6+ until the 7,7+ lineup was in my opinion the perfect one. Two models, they both got all the new features, and the only difference between them was the screen size. Very clear and simple for new buyers.

But now you got Mini, Plus, Pro, Pro Max, SE… too many options which would make any new buyer who is not much of a techie person very confused. The SE is the entry-level model which is fine, but its battery is not as good. The Pro models have more features but they’re heavier and bulkier and are clearly more expensive. The Non-Pro models are lighter and cheaper but they come only with 60hz, no telephoto lens and currently an older chip.. One might think that getting last year’s Pro model would actually be a better option. There are just too many options right now, and the average buyer would often find a hard time choosing between all the different models.

 

[Larry-K]

I do not disagree. But I often go out specifically to take photographs and want my Nikon.
The iPhone takes quite good pics of opportunity, but isn't quite as good. FWIW, I don't have a lens that costs less than my iPhone Pro.

If I'm specifically going to take photos, I drag out the Nikon, but it's a very considered decision.
I'm old enough that I don't like paying the weight penalty of a full frame camera and a few lenses unless I have a really good reason.

I did pick up an Olympus (or OMD these days, I guess) system as a compromise, and I'll reach for that on occasion. I rarely find it's necessary for more that 20 Megapixels, but I do prefer better low light performance. Olympus makes some great lenses, but they also cost more than an iPhone Pro.

 

[cmcbhi]

If I'm specifically going to take photos, I drag out the Nikon, but it's a very considered decision.
I'm old enough that I don't like paying the weight penalty of a full frame camera and a few lenses unless I have a really good reason.

I did pick up an Olympus (or OMD these days, I guess) system as a compromise, and I'll reach for that on occasion. I rarely find it's necessary for more that 20 Megapixels, but I do prefer better low light performance. Olympus makes some great lenses, but they also cost more than an iPhone Pro.

I agree

 

[salutcemoi]

Unless things like the cameras are broken, I think it'll be better to even just simply replace the battery. I think my 11 Pro will live yet another year.

11 Pro is still great

Gave mine to my sister when I got the 13 Pro

I miss the form factor of the 11 Pro sometimes lol

 

[_Spinn_]

Gotta distinguish the Pro models somehow.