iPhone 16/Plus iPhone 15 Pro users, and prospective iPhone 16e users, this question is for you.

[SilverSpooned]

@BigBlur @russell_314

Yeah, a major point in upgrading to me will be the satellite SOS and crash detection. The iphone 13 doesn't have that, and that's a life saving feature to have. The zooming out feature most of the time I forget exists so I never use it, and MagSafe is something I've never used before so that's a non-factor for me.

The price of the 16e would also decrease for me since I plan on trading in my iphone 13 for it, incase of an upgrade. Would need to see the trade in value when it rolls out.

 

[BigBlur]

Would need to see the trade in value when it rolls out.

The trade in value for the 13 is up to $250.

Apple Trade In

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[SilverSpooned]

The trade in value for the 13 is up to $250.

Apple Trade In

Trade in your iPhone, iPad, Mac, Watch, or any other device for credit toward a new one, or recycle it responsibly for free with Apple Trade In.

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Yeah to me it's pretty much a no brainer then. I bought my 13 in the summer of 2023 for like $530? It was a new old stock on Ebay, so I think getting nearly 2 years out of it and then trading it in is good value.

 

[goldmac2006]

Yeah to me it's pretty much a no brainer then. I bought my 13 in the summer of 2023 for like $530? It was a new old stock on Ebay, so I think getting nearly 2 years out of it and then trading it in is good value.

👍 also forgot to ask you but if you are an Apple Watch wearer, do you wear an Apple Watch Series 8 or later? These watches have crash detection.

 

[SilverSpooned]

👍 also forgot to ask you but if you are an Apple Watch wearer, do you wear an Apple Watch Series 8 or later? These watches have crash detection.

No. Never had an interest or use for an Apple Watch.

 

[goldmac2006]

I upgraded from the 13 (after 3 years) to the 16 and can hardly tell a difference, so I would say no to the 16e if your 13 is still running fine.

• You would lose the ultra-wide camera; no more zooming out.
• You would lose the sensor-shift optical image stabilization that the 13 has, which is better than the basic image stabilization that the 16e has.
• You would lose MagSafe.

About the only thing you would gain is more megapixels, which isn't really that big of a deal, IMO (the 13 takes great pictures already); crash detection, satellite SOS/messaging, and Apple Intelligence. If you're really wanting these features and don't care about losing the above, then go for it!

It really depends on what you're looking for in a phone. For some people, it would be an upgrade; for other people, it would be a downgrade.

You can compare them here:

https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-13,iphone-16e,iphone-16

Sure thing! Just a heads up, if you’re thinking of getting the iPhone 16e from any iPhone 12 Pro, 13 Pro, 14 Pro, or even the iPhone 12 to 15, you might want to be aware of a few things. Many of the features we all love and enjoy on our iPhones will be taken away. This iPhone 16 user’s opinion sums it up perfectly, and it’ll also apply to iPhone 14 users, even though they’ll still get satellite, crash detection, and action mode in videos. The ultra-wide camera won’t be there, and MagSafe would be harder to use without a case with magnets in it. Wireless charging wouldn’t be fast enough either. And if you’re one of the lucky ones with a 12-15 Pro, you’ll miss out on even more features if you get the 16e: promotion display with a 120Hz refresh rate, telephoto camera, ProRes, and proRAW for iPhone 13 Pro and newer. Ultra-wide band is a big deal for precision finding AirTags, airdropping to specific people around you, and precision finding from your Apple Watch series 9 or later for those with 15 Pro or 16 Pro models. You’ll also get nice colors, editing portrait mode and cinematic mode photos and videos, which also includes cinematic mode videos, these things are absent on that iPhone SE successor. Even without ultra-wide band on the 16e, if that iPhone runs out of battery, it can’t be tracked down using Find My unless it’s powered on.

No. Never had an interest or use for an Apple Watch.

Understandable, so you are going for 16e for Apple intelligence, crash detection, satellite, and A18 chip/action button?

 

[SilverSpooned]

Understandable, so you are going for 16e for Apple intelligence, crash detection, satellite, and A18 chip/action button?

Probably. Just need to understand the whole Esim thing, I have a physical sim card in my 13 so I have no idea how it will be to transition into an Esim.

 

[goldmac2006]

Probably. Just need to understand the whole Esim thing, I have a physical sim card in my 13 so I have no idea how it will be to transition into an Esim.

To use eSIM on a new iPhone, follow these quick and easy steps steps:

1. Quick Start Setup: Use Quick Start to easily set up your new iPhone. This process involves holding your new iPhone near your old one via the camera and following the prompts on the screen. Have Bluetooth and WiFi enabled on both devices.

2. eSIM Setup: After Quick Start, your new iPhone will prompt you to set up the eSIM. This involves transferring your phone number from your old iPhone under your Apple ID.

3. Data Transfer: Transfer data directly from your old iPhone to the new one. This will automatically deactivate the SIM card in your old iPhone and move the number to the eSIM in your new device.

4. Old iPhone Reset: Once the setup is complete on your new iPhone, it will prompt you to reset the old iPhone. This ensures that any personal data is erased, making it safe to trade in, sell, or give away.

5. SIM Card Ejection: Eject the old SIM card from your old iPhone. You can shred it in the trash if it no longer contains any kind of data or contacts, or keep it if it does.

 

[SilverSpooned]

To use eSIM on a new iPhone, follow these quick and easy steps steps:

1. Quick Start Setup: Use Quick Start to easily set up your new iPhone. This process involves holding your new iPhone near your old one via the camera and following the prompts on the screen. Have Bluetooth and WiFi enabled on both devices.

2. eSIM Setup: After Quick Start, your new iPhone will prompt you to set up the eSIM. This involves transferring your phone number from your old iPhone under your Apple ID.

3. Data Transfer: Transfer data directly from your old iPhone to the new one. This will automatically deactivate the SIM card in your old iPhone and move the number to the eSIM in your new device.

4. Old iPhone Reset: Once the setup is complete on your new iPhone, it will prompt you to reset the old iPhone. This ensures that any personal data is erased, making it safe to trade in, sell, or give away.

5. SIM Card Ejection: Eject the old SIM card from your old iPhone. You can shred it in the trash if it no longer contains any kind of data or contacts, or keep it if it does.

So the eSIM setup will work on the new phone, even if my old one has a physical sim card?

 

[goldmac2006]

So the eSIM setup will work on the new phone, even if my old one has a physical sim card?

Yes, it will. Honestly, I upgraded from the iPhone XR to the iPhone 15 Pro during the long Christmas break, and the process was incredibly straightforward. I opted for the quick transfer, and the eSIM setup took only a few minutes. It was a breeze, y’all.

 

[SilverSpooned]

Yes, it will. Honestly, I upgraded from the iPhone XR to the iPhone 15 Pro during the long Christmas break, and the process was incredibly straightforward. I opted for the quick transfer, and the eSIM setup took only a few minutes. It was a breeze, y’all.

And this works with most providers? I use Straight talk.

 

[goldmac2006]

And this works with most providers? I use Straight talk.

Hey, I had T-Mobile, but I think it should work with smaller carriers like Cricket, Mint, and Metro. It’s the same process for all carriers including at&t, Verizon and US CELLULAR. Setting up an eSIM on an iPhone is a breeze!

Let me know if it doesn’t work. I’ve been troubleshooting iOS devices for over a decade. By the way, are you preordering the 16e tomorrow morning?

 

[SilverSpooned]

Hey, I had T-Mobile, but I think it should work with smaller carriers like Cricket, Mint, and Metro. It’s the same process for all carriers including at&t, Verizon and US CELLULAR. Setting up an eSIM on an iPhone is a breeze!

Let me know if it doesn’t work. I’ve been troubleshooting iOS devices for over a decade. By the way, are you preordering the 16e tomorrow morning?

I am considering preordering it. I wonder if trade ins work when you also pre-order a device and how they determine the value of the device, if it is after the fact, etc.

 

[goldmac2006]

I am considering preordering it. I wonder if trade ins work when you also pre-order a device and how they determine the value of the device, if it is after the fact, etc.

Hey, are you preordering your iPhone from your carrier or Apple? My answer might depend on where you’re getting it from.

 

[SilverSpooned]

Hey, are you preordering your iPhone from your carrier or Apple? My answer might depend on where you’re getting it from.

Apple. The carrier doesn't have the phone on their site. It's interesting how some people have accounts and stuff for their carrier - I never had an account with mine.

 

[goldmac2006]

Apple. The carrier doesn't have the phone on their site. It's interesting how some people have accounts and stuff for their carrier - I never had an account with mine.

👍 I’ll make this super easy for you to understand. If you’re trading in your iPhone 13 on the online store that starts preorders tomorrow morning, you’ll see a trade-in option. Just check off the box if you’re trading it in or not. To log in, you can use your Apple Account in the Apple Store app which auto populates all the Apple devices you signed in your Apple Account on, you select the iPhone 13 from the list, or enter your iPhone’s serial number (found in Settings > General > About) and copy and paste it into the text field. The trade-in value should pop up if you answer the condition question correctly. If you want to pay in full, you can use Apple Card monthly payments if you have one, or monthly payments if you’re paying through your carrier (skip this option, you’re coming from a smaller carrier). If you get your new iPhone delivered in the mail, Apple will also send you a box or wrapping set. Once your iPhone 13 is reset and the eSIM is set up on your new iPhone, you can eject the old SIM card and return it within a month. If you forget to turn off Find My iPhone, reset your old iPhone to factory defaults, remove the SIM card, or return it within a month, your trade-in value will be revoked. If you need any help with trading in your old iPhone after getting your new iPhone or you’re worried about sending it back in the mail, don’t hesitate to visit your local Apple Store. There are friendly Specialists who can help you with your iPhone trade-in and also guide you through transitioning to a new iPhone and trying out new features that your 13 never had.

Here’s the thing: if you mail in your old iPhone, you can take your time setting up your new one and resetting your old iPhone at your own pace. But if you go to the Apple Store, whether you’ve scheduled an in-store pickup or you’re grabbing your 16e, you’ll have to do everything in one go: setup, eSIM transfer, SIM removal, and returning your old iPhone. The Specialist will help you with everything, but they’ll set up and transfer the eSIM in-store. They’ll clean your iPhone, pop the SIM card out, and make sure all the data is reset from your old iPhone 13. But since you got it in-store, the Specialist will take your old iPhone away and do these cleanup procedures and put it in a special bag once you see all the data from your old iPhone and the eSIM transferred to your new one, and everything’s set. After that, they’ll reset your iPhone 13.

Oh, and here’s a tip: you can save some money and do your part for the planet by trading in your old iPhone. Especially since Apple is committed to carbon neutrality. And guess what? Another thing I noticed during the transition from iPhone 14 and earlier users to iPhone 15 and 16 is that you’ll need to be prepared for new accessories. Not just a case, but you’ll need a USB C adapter and cable. You’ll get a cable in the box that’s USB C to C, but it’s a good idea to have extra, especially if you have a charging station for your Apple devices.

 

[SilverSpooned]

@goldmac2006

I plan on having the phone delivered to me. I remember when I transitioned from my M2 Pro Mac Mini to my M4 Mac Mini it was a very strange process. I had to set up a separate monitor, keyboard and mouse, and have a cord connecting the two of them and I did the transfer, then reset, then I sold my old Mac Mini separately.

For the Iphone 13 I am trading in, I am assuming that after I have everything transferred, I will turn off the find my iphone feature, remove the SIM card and have it factory reset, and return it without a case. I have other USB to C cables, so that's also not an issue.

The only thing about this that concerns me is transferring the physical sim to the ESim on the new phone, which isn't something I did before. I don't have an account with my carrier, and don't really feel it necessary to set one up, as I don't have a "plan" for my phone, I just go to the store every month, buy the card, fill in the code, that's just what I do.

 

[goldmac2006]

The light at the end of the tunnel is here! More reports are emerging, promising that as 15 Pro users, we will finally get Visual Intelligence. This means we can finally put the Action Button to good use, beyond just camera control which we’d lacking. For more information, check out this link: https://lifehacker.com/tech/iphone-15-pro-getting-visual-intelligence-upgrade

@goldmac2006

I plan on having the phone delivered to me. I remember when I transitioned from my M2 Pro Mac Mini to my M4 Mac Mini it was a very strange process. I had to set up a separate monitor, keyboard and mouse, and have a cord connecting the two of them and I did the transfer, then reset, then I sold my old Mac Mini separately.

For the Iphone 13 I am trading in, I am assuming that after I have everything transferred, I will turn off the find my iphone feature, remove the SIM card and have it factory reset, and return it without a case. I have other USB to C cables, so that's also not an issue.

The only thing about this that concerns me is transferring the physical sim to the ESim on the new phone, which isn't something I did before. I don't have an account with my carrier, and don't really feel it necessary to set one up, as I don't have a "plan" for my phone, I just go to the store every month, buy the card, fill in the code, that's just what I do.

Oh no, a prepaid cellular plan?! Are you serious? This might be tricky to set up an eSIM. I’ve never seen an iPhone user do this before to set up an eSIM from a prepaid phone card. But I found this helpful webpage from Straight Talk’s website for their prepaid customers: https://support.straighttalk.com/en/brands/Blu/STBLB130DG/faq/3104721/

Check it out and after reading this article, I think you should skip the eSIM prompt during setup and do these steps from your carrier after the iPhone 16e is set up. Also, I highly recommend calling your carrier to make sure your plan can transfer over from physical to eSIM. They can help you and you can also ask for a QR code to be sent to you if you want, have the IMEIs ready.

 

[SilverSpooned]

Oh no, a prepaid cellular plan?! Are you serious? This might be tricky to set up an eSIM. I’ve never seen an iPhone user do this before to set up an eSIM from a prepaid phone card. But I found this helpful webpage from Straight Talk’s website for their prepaid customers: https://support.straighttalk.com/en/brands/Blu/STBLB130DG/faq/3104721/

Check it out and after reading this article, I think you should skip the eSIM prompt during setup and do these steps from your carrier after the iPhone 16e is set up. Also, I highly recommend calling your carrier to make sure your plan can transfer over from physical to eSIM.

A prepaid plan, yes, from a phone card. I will try to keep what I see here in mind. I never had an account with straight talk or anything like that, I've carried the SIM card all the way over from my original phone, an iphone 6.

 

[goldmac2006]

A prepaid plan, yes, from a phone card. I will try to keep what I see here in mind. I never had an account with straight talk or anything like that, I've carried the SIM card all the way over from my original phone, an iphone 6.

OK, try the first method and transfer the eSIM from your old iPhone 13 first via Quick Transfer. Try the method on Straight Talk website as the plan B.

 

[Parowdy]

That the 16e has Visual Intelligence on the Action Button made me curious as well watching the reveal. Got a 15P half a year ago and thought it was strange that you only have a half-long press gesture on the AB.
When you set the AB to open the camera, you can press it twice and the green camera dot turns on but the camera stays off.
There are often these weird inconsistencies turning out to have something to do with later updates, so yeah. Here is hoping

 

[goldmac2006]

Hey everyone, I installed the latest iOS 18.4 beta last night. As it turns out, the Visual Intelligence feature isn’t available yet for the action button. I find this quite unfair and would like to leave some feedback later today, there were claims saying it was coming. I hope it’s included in the next beta release next week. I checked the Control Center, but it doesn’t seem to have the feature either. On a positive note, I did notice that ambient sounds have been added to the Control Center.

That the 16e has Visual Intelligence on the Action Button made me curious as well watching the reveal. Got a 15P half a year ago and thought it was strange that you only have a half-long press gesture on the AB.
When you set the AB to open the camera, you can press it twice and the green camera dot turns on but the camera stays off.
There are often these where inconsistencies turning out to have something to do with later updates, so yeah. Here is hoping

The same feeling I had when I saw the iPhone 16e’s reveal. If Apple listens to our feedback for iOS 18.4 beta 1, it will be in beta 2. It was also a delayed release because Apple’s engineering team had been overwhelmed with technical difficulties during the build. Do your part y’all and submit your feedback, to all my iPhone 15 Pro allies in this thread.

 

[Parowdy]

Sure thing! Just a heads up, if you’re thinking of getting the iPhone 16e from any iPhone 12 Pro, 13 Pro, 14 Pro, or even the iPhone 12 to 15, you might want to be aware of a few things. Many of the features we all love and enjoy on our iPhones will be taken away. This iPhone 16 user’s opinion sums it up perfectly, and it’ll also apply to iPhone 14 users, even though they’ll still get satellite, crash detection, and action mode in videos. The ultra-wide camera won’t be there, and MagSafe would be harder to use without a case with magnets in it. Wireless charging wouldn’t be fast enough either. And if you’re one of the lucky ones with a 12-15 Pro, you’ll miss out on even more features if you get the 16e: promotion display with a 120Hz refresh rate, telephoto camera, ProRes, and proRAW for iPhone 13 Pro and newer. Ultra-wide band is a big deal for precision finding AirTags, airdropping to specific people around you, and precision finding from your Apple Watch series 9 or later for those with 15 Pro or 16 Pro models. You’ll also get nice colors, editing portrait mode and cinematic mode photos and videos, which also includes cinematic mode videos, these things are absent on that iPhone SE successor. Even without ultra-wide band on the 16e, if that iPhone runs out of battery, it can’t be tracked down using Find My unless it’s powered on.



Understandable, so you are going for 16e for Apple intelligence, crash detection, satellite, and A18 chip/action button?

Honestly HUGE reason for why I chose the 15P over the 14P when replacing my 11P was USB C.
Oh my, has using the same cable as all other new higher end devices made my life easier.

 

[goldmac2006]

Honestly HUGE reason for why I chose the 15P over the 14P when replacing my 11P was USB C.
Oh my, has using the same cable as all other new higher end devices made my life easier.

Same here. I detested the MFi certification that made manufacturers harder to sell lightning cables that function properly and that these cables also don’t last long. I purchased lightning cables from mall kiosks, and they stopped charging after a few days of use, even some that aren’t MFi certified. I threw out my off brand lightning cables that weren’t Anker or belkin more often than my Micro USB cables and USB C cables I use for other things like power banks. USB-C is more versatile and flash sticks and hubs can be used with your iPhone just like all recent iPads do. Reverse charging your Apple Watch and AirPods is now possible. Another reason why Apple made this change was due to new EU regulations that went into effect recently. USB-C or any non-proprietary USB port must be present on all digital consumer electronics. Therefore, from the iPhone 15 onwards, it must have USB-C ports, including all AirPods 4, Pro 2, and iPads.

I’m submitting feedback to Apple to bring visual intelligence to 15 Pro users like us! Proof is here. Honestly, you can do the same on the feedback app on your iPhone!

 

[Parowdy]

Same here. I detested the MFi certification that made manufacturers harder to sell lightning cables that function properly and that these cables also don’t last long. I purchased lightning cables from mall kiosks, and they stopped charging after a few days of use, even some that aren’t MFi certified. I threw out my off brand lightning cables that weren’t Anker or belkin more often than my Micro USB cables and USB C cables I use for other things like power banks. USB-C is more versatile and flash sticks and hubs can be used with your iPhone just like all recent iPads do. Reverse charging your Apple Watch and AirPods is now possible. Another reason why Apple made this change was due to new EU regulations that went into effect recently. USB-C or any non-proprietary USB port must be present on all digital consumer electronics. Therefore, from the iPhone 15 onwards, it must have USB-C ports, including all AirPods 4, Pro 2, and iPads.

I’m submitting feedback to Apple to bring visual intelligence to 15 Pro users like us! Proof is here. Honestly, you can do the same on the feedback app on your iPhone!
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Just tried charging my AW S7 with its USB C cable with my 15P and it worked?! It’s very good to know that a C-to-C cable will charge my AirPods case if I really need it to, thank you!
Funnily enough did my girlfriend and I find 2 Micro USB/USB C fans you can attach to your phone discarded somewhere and tried them with our phones, she has a 2021 OnePlus 9 Pro and they didn’t turn on at all with her phone but surprisingly the iPhone was a lot more chill and just powered them like it’s nothing.
But, didn’t some iPad (Pro) models also have reverse charging that worked with more than just the Apple Pencil? I really thought they do.
Anyway, thank you!