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Darthdingo

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"Iphone 4 and 4S still way better than any Android phone"

LOL, :rolleyes: dude lay off the drugs, killing your brain cells. Apple must be brainwashing people now too, Wow.

The Galaxy SII last year was better than the iPhone4, and the Galaxy-Nexus is also better than the iPhone4S, no fan boy comment, just the facts.

I am happy to go back to a future iPhone, if Apple adds these features;

- Larger screen, would love it right at like 4.3", at least 4" though.
- LED Notification light
- Widgets to the homescreen
- 4G
- Refresh the UI, the app drawer always open look is very dated
- New icons, the same ones from 2007 is outdated
- Get rid of the "Fisher-Price" toy theme all over the iPhone

I owned both the original iPhone and the iPhone3G, LOVED those phones at the time, felt like something from Star Trek, then one day I played with a friends brand new Nexus-One with a custom ROM on it, I was blown away by the customization and live Widgets on the screen, I was sold. Having owned all three Nexus phones, it will take a lot for me to come back to iPhone. This Fall I will again remain open minded to the iPhone-next, and the upcoming Nexus-5.0 Jellybean.
 
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jazzneel

macrumors member
Nov 21, 2010
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^^exactly this. I don't understand people who constantly brag about android specs. better/bigger displays, faster browsers, widgets, live wallpaper, etc. When u put it all together it means nothing if the overall experience is just bad. EVERY android device I've tried is almost identical in terms of UI feel. I can't even get past the touch screen. It's no where near as smooth as iPhone. Even the newest phones still lag and stutter. Its something minor, and if u never used an iPhone, you might not really notice. But if you use an iPhone, it's a drastic night and day difference. The apps are horrid and the app store is just an unorganized junkyard of crap. The OS is unstable and neglected. And just about all of the hardware is cheap.

Android relies on gimmicks, "features" & individual specs to keep it interesting. It's never about the whole package as it should be.

IMO, iPhone is light years ahead of android when u look at the whole package. And I'm no fanboy. If there was another phone out there that was either on par or better then iPhone, I would have it. But there's not. I'd say widows is a close second, but as a whole package, not quite there yet.

Have you actually used an android phone for more than a month? Let me be more specific-have you used a high end android phone for more than a month? Because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There are so many apps on the Play Store, and most work very well. Yes, there are a bunch of apps that are garbage and shouldn't be on there, but it's not the majority! FYI, on the iPhone app store, there are many apps that are garbage as well, that should plain not be on there (as in they don't work very well and crash many times).

I've probably downloaded over 200 different apps in my time with android, and about 100 so far with my iPhone. The ones that are the same app, they run almost similarly if not 100% the same on both. You have to look at the reviews, and see what apps are the good ones and which ones are bad (since there are many times multiple versions of the same app). I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say the play store is a "non-organized junkyard of crap." It's organized the same way as the iPhone app store, and I have no trouble finding any app I need...


When you say "The OS is unstable and neglected. And just about all of the hardware is cheap," what do you exactly mean? How is it unstable? Out of every single android phone I've used, I've never had it crash unless I'm doing custom ROMs or messing around with the internals. And neglected? How about the hundreds of developers who make custom roms, or the hundreds of programmers making games for android? Yes, the iPHone app store has a bigger selection, and developers are more inclined to make a game for iPhone first, but the biggest reason is due to the fragmentation of android (which is the biggest problem it has IMO), otherwise they would obviously choose the biggest market share in the world to develop for! High end app makers are still coming to the Play Store, as there have been many new games on it recently that were only available to iOS.

"Android relies on gimmicks, "features" & individual specs to keep it interesting. It's never about the whole package as it should be."

How exactly is a bigger screen, a better GPU and processor a gimmick?? So if the iPhone 5 has all 3 of these, it must be a gimmick too right? Or maybe they should all just downgrade and keep a 600mhz processor, since it seems that is what you are looking for? Android has so many different types of phones, and is meant for people to choose what they want. That is the whole point of having so many different types! I have no experienced any lag in my previous android (GSII), nor have my friends/family with the other types of Android handsets. If you get a free android, then yes you will experience lag since it's specs are lower. The iPhone 3G and 3GS are laggy with the new iOS5 (and even iOS4), due to the lower specs (and older phone of course).

You say you are not a fan boy, but clearly you are. Neither of the two systems are perfect and have their limitations, but saying one is garbage while the other is not indicates you are just a typical fanboy who has no idea what he/she is talking about.

I switched to iPhone, and I love it. It's an amazing phone and if the iPhone 5 has items I want, I will most definitely switch to it. But I can see that iOS is not perfect, and neither is Android!

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"Iphone 4 and 4S still way better than any Android phone"

LOL, :rolleyes: dude lay off the drugs, killing your brain cells. Apple must be brainwashing people now too, Wow.

The Galaxy SII last year was better than the iPhone4, and the Galaxy-Nexus is also better than the iPhone4S, no fan boy comment, just the facts.

I am happy to go back to a future iPhone, if Apple adds these features;

- Larger screen, would love it right at like 4.3", at least 4" though.
- LED Notification light
- Widgets to the homescreen
- Refresh the UI, the app drawer always open look is very dated
- New icons, the same ones from 2007 is outdated
- Get rid of the "Fisher-Price" toy theme all over the iPhone

I would love a 4" screen, and LED Notification Light. (along with 4g). I'm really hoping they do that!! And I think the GSII came out right before the iPhone 4S, so it would be more fair to compare that to the iPhone 4S instead of the 4. They are definitely comparable though. (I just came to the iPhone 4S from a GSII).
 

Darthdingo

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Dec 11, 2010
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Great post Jazz, very honest opinion, and I agree with you, both OS are great at different things, my #1 beef with the iPhone is the tiny wristwatch sized screen, after having 4.3" and 4.6" screens, could never downgrade to a 3.5".

Samsung Galaxy SII released April 2011, Apple iPhone4S released October 2011.
 

chiefpavvy

macrumors 6502a
Feb 23, 2008
707
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The android world just doesn't get it. They don't understand.

For android it has to be about the hardware and gimmicks because that is all there is. The Eco system is crap, the depreciation is high and the support is wretched on all kinds of levels.

As for an iOS user, their usually in an app and doing smartphone stuff, not dwelling on the OS itself, which is how it should be. This is why developers love iOS and why iOS makes far more money.

Precisely.

For Android it is always "Quad-core CPU!" "2 gigs of RAM!" "128GB storage!"
They still don't understand that regular Joe could care less. They don't know the specifications of the phone/device and they don't care. It comes down to the software and the overall user experience.

And yes, developers love iOS, because they actually make money and get paid. Imagine that!
 

skywalkerr69

macrumors 6502a
Jan 21, 2011
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New York
Well let's see, there is HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola as the main Android smartphone makers, and I don't believe any of the FOUR are bankrupt? Not sure where you are getting your info from, but might want to change your source! :)

And I actually think it's fun that they add names to their systems, why not?

I'm assuming you are a hardcore apple fanboy, nice to meet you. :cool:

Actually Motorola was bought by google because they were in horrid financial shape. So that leaves 3

Yeah it's a lot of fun if your 3. woooooweeeeee
 

SixSixItalian

macrumors newbie
Jun 10, 2012
17
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Ok, first I just want to say that I haves owned many different phones. Never a Windows phone. Just back and forth between the iPhone and Android phones. I liked the phones I had at the time. While I will say that the Android phones I had all had better specs across the board, they were hardly noticeable. I just sold my Droid Razr MAXX which had the "dual core" processor. Barely noticeable. The screen, when compared to the iPhone was miles behind. I like Android, and they have a lot of potential. But I always end up going back to the iPhone.
 

nickchallis92

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Mar 4, 2012
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Apple fan boys drive me nuts. I hate how their opinions of android phones are based off common misconceptions they've heard.

The galaxy s2 was as fast and smooth as the 4s and came out half a year earlier, but of course this is always conveniently ignored
 

mbell1975

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Mar 17, 2012
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Ok, first I just want to say that I haves owned many different phones. Never a Windows phone. Just back and forth between the iPhone and Android phones. I liked the phones I had at the time. While I will say that the Android phones I had all had better specs across the board, they were hardly noticeable. I just sold my Droid Razr MAXX which had the "dual core" processor. Barely noticeable. The screen, when compared to the iPhone was miles behind. I like Android, and they have a lot of potential. But I always end up going back to the iPhone.

Funny, I sold my 4s and kept my Maxx. 4G LTE, much better battery, expandable memory and SD card, better build quality, larger display and it's far more customizable than the 4s. Easy choice.
 

jazzneel

macrumors member
Nov 21, 2010
58
5
Actually Motorola was bought by google because they were in horrid financial shape. So that leaves 3

Yeah it's a lot of fun if your 3. woooooweeeeee

Please make informed statements before posting, as you sound like you are 3.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/22/technology/google-motorola/index.htm

Some quotes:

"Buying Motorola gives Google (GOOG, Fortune 500) access to more than 17,000 patents, plus an extra 7,500 that are awaiting approval. The search giant said it plans to use those patents to ward off lawsuits from Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) and Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) that threaten Google's popular Android mobile operating system."

"But some industry experts believe that Google is after much more than a patent mine. It's now playing in Apple territory. Buying Motorola gives Google the ability to control both hardware and software, by making its own integrated smartphones and other devices."
 

Frankied22

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Nov 24, 2010
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Apple fan boys drive me nuts. I hate how their opinions of android phones are based off common misconceptions they've heard.

The galaxy s2 was as fast and smooth as the 4s and came out half a year earlier, but of course this is always conveniently ignored


You can't convince them with words. I guess people just have to try these newer high end Android handsets for themselves. I think a lot of these people defending Apple fervently have never tried phones like the SGII, One X, Galaxy Nexus, or SGIII
 

chiefpavvy

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Feb 23, 2008
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The only reason Google bought Motorola was patents. Their portfolio was woefully weak in the mobile space. And they overpaid big time, cost them dearly.

I know fAndroids want to believe Google had a master plan all along to acquire Motorola and produce some next generation perfect "Google Phone" but that just doesn't square with reality.
 

Darthdingo

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Dec 11, 2010
602
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I will say I am very interested in seeing what Microsoft + Nokia bake up for their next gen Windows 8 phones, due this Fall/Winter. Supposedly will be multi-core, have a "Retina" type display, a much much larger app store, and redesigned UI.

Don't write off the Windows phones just yet, I think over the next couple of years they will surprise a lot of people. I think 2013 will be their break out year, where they finally get recognized as a top tier phone.
 

jazzneel

macrumors member
Nov 21, 2010
58
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The only reason Google bought Motorola was patents. Their portfolio was woefully weak in the mobile space. And they overpaid big time, cost them dearly.

I know fAndroids want to believe Google had a master plan all along to acquire Motorola and produce some next generation perfect "Google Phone" but that just doesn't square with reality.

I agree that the biggest reason was for the patents for all the lawsuits, but I would say that was probably 75% of the reason. But how did Google "over pay big time?" Not quite sure I understand your logic. Is this based on the share market price, how much $$ google has to pay for it, etc? And how did it cost them dearly?? I don't see Google going down the tank, and filing for chapter 11? That would be paying "dearly."

Buying motorola helps Google compete better in the tablet and other markets as well, because let's face it, the iPAD is A) Well made and an amazing piece of electronic B) will probably be the best selling tablet for years to come. There are some awesome android tablets which can compete with the iPad in terms of specs, but IMO google still needs to make the tablet experience better to fully compete.

And no obviously there was no master plan to buy, but it's business. You change your direction as your company grows, and as time passes. Google realized that buying Motorola was in their best interests, and made it happen!
 
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skywalkerr69

macrumors 6502a
Jan 21, 2011
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New York
Please make informed statements before posting, as you sound like you are 3.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/22/technology/google-motorola/index.htm

Some quotes:

"Buying Motorola gives Google (GOOG, Fortune 500) access to more than 17,000 patents, plus an extra 7,500 that are awaiting approval. The search giant said it plans to use those patents to ward off lawsuits from Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) and Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) that threaten Google's popular Android mobile operating system."

"But some industry experts believe that Google is after much more than a patent mine. It's now playing in Apple territory. Buying Motorola gives Google the ability to control both hardware and software, by making its own integrated smartphones and other devices."

Wow you're smart, well if you actually know how to read financial statements instead of googling news you would find on their 10-K filings they haven't reported a positive income since 2009. They also had negative earnings per share since the 1st quarter of 2010.
 

JayLenochiniMac

macrumors G5
Nov 7, 2007
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I've probably downloaded over 200 different apps in my time with android, and about 100 so far with my iPhone. The ones that are the same app, they run almost similarly if not 100% the same on both. You have to look at the reviews, and see what apps are the good ones and which ones are bad (since there are many times multiple versions of the same app).

I think most iPhone users would rather not waste time looking at reviews to screen multiple versions of the same app and instead download the only app that works (unless of course there's an ad-free version if we feel like paying $1 or 2 for it).
 

mbell1975

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Mar 17, 2012
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I will say I am very interested in seeing what Microsoft + Nokia bake up for their next gen Windows 8 phones, due this Fall/Winter. Supposedly will be multi-core,

Thats a joke considering Nokia's retarded CEO just said this a few months ago...

"The so-called dual-core, quad-core mobile phones can only waste batteries, but not be useful for consumers all the time,”


http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/really-nokia-ceo-says-multi-core-processors-are-a-waste/
 

JayLenochiniMac

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Nov 7, 2007
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Funny how so many Android users are frequenting the iPhone forums.

Name one Android that can get $450ish (jailbroken and unlocked) when you sell on ebay, which will pay for the next model plus some.
 

SixSixItalian

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Jun 10, 2012
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You can't convince them with words. I guess people just have to try these newer high end Android handsets for themselves. I think a lot of these people defending Apple fervently have never tried phones like the SGII, One X, Galaxy Nexus, or SGIII

Or maybe they have tried them and just didn't like them. Or Android in general? Personally, I don't see the need for a quad core phone with tons of RAM. I have a laptop and a high end desktop for that. It's a phone. I use my phone for calls, texting and some occasional web browsing. I'm not trying to run a small business off of it.

I'm certainly NOT an Apple fanboy by any means. I buy what I like, regardless of who's name is on it. If it does what I need it to then I'll buy it. In fact, I had an Android phone I loved very much. The Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket. I just ended up breaking it on accident. Why did I go back to the iPhone instead of buying another Galaxy S2 Skyrocket? Because they wanted to charge me full retail so it was easier to join another carrier and get a discount.

Furthermore, why does everyone care what kind of phone someone else has? If you like Android, wonderful. If you want an iPhone and it works for you, fantastic. It kills me how people always say "oh that phone sucks compared to mine". Who cares! Buy what works for you and enjoy it. After all, it's only a phone.
 

chiefpavvy

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Feb 23, 2008
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Funny how so many Android users are frequenting the iPhone forums.

Name one Android that can get $450ish (jailbroken and unlocked) when you sell on ebay, which will pay for the next model plus some.

It is interesting, isn't it. All these Android lovers hanging out on an Apple forum. Hmmm....You'd almost think they were trying to justify something or compensate for something....

And yes, resale value of Apple products is always great. Just another benefit.
 

0m3ga

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Mar 1, 2012
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Funny how so many Android users are frequenting the iPhone forums.

Name one Android that can get $450ish (jailbroken and unlocked) when you sell on ebay, which will pay for the next model plus some.

Really? Because morons that throw money away at used phones is a way for you to justify how good your phone is? Do you not see how crazy some of you sound? It's blissfully ignorant.

And by the way, I can get over $400 for my S2, but I wouldn't be obtuse enough to sell on ebay and pay fees to both paypal and ebay.
 

vikingjunior

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Aug 17, 2011
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Wow. Just... Wow. This thread is just another affirmation of why Apple will never fail. I have many Apple products and think the ones I have are great, but lately either some iPhone owners are beginning to feel really insecure or Samsungs success is making Apple lovers hate Android more and become more vocal. Either way, it is not a good sign.

This is it exactly!

Go look on Android Forums and you will not find all these threads defending Android. Apple fans are in denial.
 

chiefpavvy

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Feb 23, 2008
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And by the way, I can get over $400 for my S2, but I wouldn't be obtuse enough to sell on ebay and pay fees to both paypal and ebay.

I can sell one of my old 3GS for $300 too. There's a sucker born every minute. :D :D :D

(And I see many GS II going for around $275 to $300 the $400 figure would be a brand new in the box unit...maybe.)

One cannot deny the fact that Apple products retain their value. Androids drop like a rock when the next flavor of the weak ships.
 

Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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You can't convince them with words. I guess people just have to try these newer high end Android handsets for themselves. I think a lot of these people defending Apple fervently have never tried phones like the SGII, One X, Galaxy Nexus, or SGIII

I owned a GSII on Sprint and AT&T.

They were the straw that broke the camels back and made me get an iPhone.
 

chiefpavvy

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Feb 23, 2008
707
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This is it exactly!

Go look on Android Forums and you will not find all these threads defending Android. Apple fans are in denial.

Maybe because Apple guys don't waste their time trolling fAndroid forums? We have better things to do. And no inferiority complex.
 
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