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People buy into a brand and feel the need to prove that their choice was the correct choice.

Exactly the same with Canon and Nikon.

Be a fan of good technology, not brands.
 

chewietobbacca

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People buy into a brand and feel the need to prove that their choice was the correct choice.

Exactly the same with Canon and Nikon.

Be a fan of good technology, not brands.

Exactly this

Unless you're working for or profit directly from some corporate brand, I don't get this blind allegiance to one brand or another.

How's that saying go again?

I'm defined by who I am, not by what I buy?
 
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Bobby Corwen

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Exactly this

Unless you're working for or profit directly from some corporate brand, I don't get this blind allegiance to one brand or another.

How's that saying go again?

I'm defined by who I am, not by what I buy?

It's insufferable that your ilk continue to insist its blind alegience as opposed to informed consumerism.

Implying that every review of apple products is not 10/10 glowing in practically every publication on earth and implying it is not the most admired company for valid reasons such as superior products.

You want to act like its all marketing cult manipulation take your theories somewhere else.
 
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monkeylui

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A Galaxy far, far away
I'm surprised there is a lot of gripe toward widgets. I love them! There are a lot of widgets that only take a single block.

Things like weather, imagine instead of the generic weather app in iOS that always says 73 and sunny it actually said the actual weather . Or the my Verizon app, a single tile that tells you how much data you've used in your current month cycle and how much you have left...

There are some cool things that apply more toward Android too. I have a Nintendo emulator, so instead of going into the emulator and scrolling through all the roms to find the game you are looking for you can just put a shortcut widget that just plays that game. Or the app Astro which is a file manager you can make a short cut to any file on the phone. Another one I use a lot is a settings shortcut widget, since I tether a lot I have a widget that takes me right to the tether setting page instead of menu diving.

All these examples use a single square on a home page(s)....

This would be incredibly useful for feature I would love to see apple make or make their own version.

Those sound more like active icon app launchers too me. I see a widget as something to interact with right there on the home screen.
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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Those sound more like active icon app launchers too me. I see a widget as something to interact with right there on the home screen.

It does, like the weather and my Verizon widgets tell you info. The other ones are widgets but an active icon is a good definition of them.
 

BaldiMac

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I would hope anyone making a comparison between Android and the iPhone is comparing a flagship Android device otherwise it's an unfair comparison :p

Well yeah, you should be comparing devices in the same category and price bracket. Why would you compare a mid-range cheap phone to Apples latest device? If comparing the latest iPhone, you need to compare it to the latest from the other company too.

As long as we use the same rules when we are comparing market share numbers! :D :p

Having to go to all those different things I named is hardly a reasonable alternative. It is a slow manual method of obtaining the same information.



No, you didn't. I addressed those. For you to obtain the same information, you would have to go to several different places in your phone to do it, as opposed to it all being in one place easily accessible.


It shows 3 because that's what's scheduled for the week. If I have more scheduled, it will show them. If I don't have anything for this week (or just a couple things for this week), it will show what's scheduled next week. Bottom line, it shows it. Don't believe me if you don't want to, but it does...unlike iOS.



It sounds more like closed-mindedness from someone who obviously doesn't have experience with making their device more efficient. That's like saying instead of buying all your groceries at one store, you'd prefer to go to one store for bread, another store for milk, another store for meat, another store for breakfast food, another store for dinner food, and so on. Instead of making one stop, you'd prefer to have to go to several locations just to get the same thing. That doesn't make sense, but hey keep telling yourself that.



I can access all the things I mentioned within seconds, whereas it would take you much longer, and much more effort to do the same. You can't even separate your news when you're ready to read it. Why should I be scrolling through local news, if I'm trying to read forex headlines? I want access to both, but I don't want them combined.


Well it's a good thing you don't need it...because it isn't there. Sure it's a tap away. As is other things. But when you start having to keeping going to different things just to get the same information I can get at a glance, it becomes quite inefficient. While you're going to your calendar, I've already finished checking mine, checked the full forecast, and skimmed over headlines. In the time it takes for you to check a voicemail, I've already checked mine, checked my texts, skimmed over headlines, and checked my schedule. There's no comparison. Sure you can get that same information, but it will take you much longer and much more effort.


You made absolutely no point there at all. The widget is resizable. I can make it take up 1 row if I so choose. I prefer it longer so I can see more when there is more to be seen. Notifications is a VERY clunky way of accomplishing this. I wouldn't want a notification for every single headline, and you can't pick which headline you're notified of. If I got news notifications, I'd either be inundated with notifications throughout the day, or I'd miss out on a lot of important headlines. It makes much more sense to have the news ready for me to go through. BTW, I could have news notification should I desire them, but they aren't an effective method of keeping up with events (for the aforementioned reasons).


As stated previously, you obviously have limited to no experience with making your device more efficient. Sure I can always get the same information a different way, but I want my information the most efficient way. It's really that simple. I'll efficiency over inefficiency every time. Sure I could go into the settings menu to turn wifi on and off, but it's much easier to just pull down the notification panel and tap the toggle. Sure I could scroll through my app drawer and find Pandora, load it up, then hit play when it loads, or I could just tap play on my home screen. Sure, I could go to my calendar and look over my week, or I could already have it laid out for me.

Again, your argument comes down to overstating the differences. It isn't like going to multiple grocery stores, because the difference we are talking about is 1 second for widget access versus 3 seconds fro the full app. :) Faster if I've used the app recently. With notifications, I'm updated on the information that's important to me before I even unlock the phone.

And just out of curiosity, how many appointments will your calendar widget show?
 

Exio

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May 14, 2012
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The problem with widgets is the screen size necessary for them to be useful and not "in the way" making navigation clumsy and inefficient.

I often wonder what kind of pockets these fAndroids wear, because all of these 5" (or thereabout) and beyond devices DO NOT fit comfortably in a regular sized shirt of pants pocket. Maybe they tend to carry man bags, I don't know.

Lay off the skinny jeans
 
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cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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Lay off the skinny jeans

I agree. I wear company provided work pants and suit pants mostly. Both are tailored to fit exactly how an average size adult (5'10" 175 lbs) should be wearing pants. Never had an issue with phone size in my pockets.

However I started using a belt clip for my iPhone just cause it can get to my phone faster at work that way. And I really like it (at work where it doesnt look silly). I never tried the galaxy note and yes the argument can be made that a smaller phone is more comfortable but that's a given. No phone is more comfortable then even the smallest of phones. Regardless they all pretty much disappear in my pocket.
 

Sensamic

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Step up to the plate with what?

Android can browse web. iOS can browse web.
Android can check email and messages. iOS can check email and messages.
Android has a Facebook app. iOS has a Facebook app.
Android can play YouTube and music. iOS can play YouTube and music.

Except iOS does those in a more stable and beautiful fashion as part of a superior system.

Android is the one that needs to step up to the plate.

This reasons you give are the most poorest I have ever seen. Both have Youtube and Facebook apps? And this is how you defend iOS? You must be kidding. Do you think anyone will fall for that?

It seems you don't know anything about iOS, or you would give better arguments.

A superior OS that got multitasking, folders, video calling and wallpapers on iOS 4.

A superior OS that got cloud features, voice features and better notifications in iOS 5.

A superior OS that got Facebook integration, FaceTime 3G, reject call with SMS and better Maps on iOS 6.

Yes. It is a superior OS... superior than Symbian! It may be a NICER looking OS, but not a SUPERIOR one to Android.
 

batting1000

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Sep 4, 2011
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This reasons you give are the most poorest I have ever seen. Both have Youtube and Facebook apps? And this is how you defend iOS? You must be kidding. Do you think anyone will fall for that?

It seems you don't know anything about iOS, or you would give better arguments.

A superior OS that got multitasking, folders, video calling and wallpapers on iOS 4.

A superior OS that got cloud features, voice features and better notifications in iOS 5.

A superior OS that got Facebook integration, FaceTime 3G, reject call with SMS and better Maps on iOS 6.

Yes. It is a superior OS... superior than Symbian! It may be a NICER looking OS, but not a SUPERIOR one to Android.

You have yet to explain your logic. You're being completely biased.
 

Sensamic

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You have yet to explain your logic. You're being completely biased.

My logic is that iOS gets essential features way way later. It got multitasking and folders in its 4th itineration. It got cloud features and a reasonable notifications system on its 5th. It got FaceTime over 3G two years later after being announced in iOS 4...

All this time with a poor integration of Maps and other stuff that seriously needs to be updated, like... get rid of the stupid 12 app limitation in the folders! How hard is that to do for such a powerful company?

There are so many things iOS could benefit of that Apple is not including. I want iOS to be better. That is why I am critique of its limitations. The fanboys that cannot see past its limitations aren't doing themselves a favor, since they will stay always behind waiting for stuff that its needed NOW. We all want iOS to be better.
 

Bobby Corwen

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My logic is that iOS gets essential features way way later. It got multitasking and folders in its 4th itineration. It got cloud features and a reasonable notifications system on its 5th. It got FaceTime over 3G two years later after being announced in iOS 4...

All this time with a poor integration of Maps and other stuff that seriously needs to be updated, like... get rid of the stupid 12 app limitation in the folders! How hard is that to do for such a powerful company?

"Essential"?

Those features are hardly essential. The features I presented are what are considered "essential," the rest are petty extras.

The point of the story is that iPhone does the essentials in a smooth and elegant way and Android sacrifices user experience to give you pointless non-essentials.
 

BaldiMac

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My logic is that iOS gets essential features way way later. It got multitasking and folders in its 4th itineration. It got cloud features and a reasonable notifications system on its 5th. It got FaceTime over 3G two years later after being announced in iOS 4...

All this time with a poor integration of Maps and other stuff that seriously needs to be updated, like... get rid of the stupid 12 app limitation in the folders! How hard is that to do for such a powerful company?

There are so many things iOS could benefit of that Apple is not including. I want iOS to be better. That is why I am critique of its limitations. The fanboys that cannot see past its limitations aren't doing a favor to Apple. We all want iOS to be better.

You have a strange definition of "essential". :)
 

matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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You have a strange definition of "essential". :)

Multitasking - before iOS 4, you could be half way through changing settings in a settings page, switch to another app, then go back to settings and it forgot where you were. Multitasking is essential.

Cloud features - not necessarily essential, but they provide a much improved user experience. With Google/iCloud I know that my contacts/calendar are backed up and I don't have to do it manually if I switch devices, or just every so often as a security measure.

Folders - these are more essential to iOS than Android because of the way iOS puts all your apps on the home screen and doesn't have sorting options like Android does. Having to scroll through pages and pages of apps got old pretty quickly.
 

BaldiMac

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Multitasking - before iOS 4, you could be half way through changing settings in a settings page, switch to another app, then go back to settings and it forgot where you were. Multitasking is essential.

Cloud features - not necessarily essential, but they provide a much improved user experience. With Google/iCloud I know that my contacts/calendar are backed up and I don't have to do it manually if I switch devices, or just every so often as a security measure.

Folders - these are more essential to iOS than Android because of the way iOS puts all your apps on the home screen and doesn't have sorting options like Android does. Having to scroll through pages and pages of apps got old pretty quickly.

And yet strangely the iPhone was the most popular smartphone in the world without these features. Like I said, that's a strange definition of essential.

And the fact is that iOS has those features now. Why are we still talking about more than two years ago? Especially since a lot more people considered iOS to be more advanced than Android two years ago.
 

Sensamic

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"Essential"?

Those features are hardly essential. The features I presented are what are considered "essential," the rest are petty extras.

The point of the story is that iPhone does the essentials in a smooth and elegant way and Android sacrifices user experience to give you pointless non-essentials.

Ok, so if they are not essential to you, why use a smartphone when clearly what you need is a simple phone that makes calls and send text messages? It is called a smartphone for a reason you know, and we are in 2012.


And yet strangely the iPhone was the most popular smartphone in the world without these features. Like I said, that's a strange definition of essential.

And the fact is that iOS has those features now. Why are we still talking about more than two years ago? Especially since a lot more people considered iOS to be more advanced than Android two years ago.

The problem is that Apple keeps updating iOS with stuff from yesterday, like just now the FaceTime 3G when video calls over 3G have been supported for years. I had those in my symbian phone 5 years ago with the Nokia N95!

Getting this kind of stuff now is too late.

For example, Google Now seems like its not that important now, but Im sure tomorrow many people will find it essential. That is what I mean. Same with offline dictation. Android is getting this stuff years ahead of iOS.
 
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BaldiMac

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My S3 is smoother than my iPad :) probably because it has vastly superior hardware rather than anything Android is doing, but jelly bean is going to improve it even more.

Why is it that Android is always just as smooth as iOS, but we are always seeing claims that the next update is finally going to fix the lag problems? :D

:D This was meant completely as a joke. Obviously, there are hardware differences. :D
 

matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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And yet strangely the iPhone was the most popular smartphone in the world without these features. Like I said, that's a strange definition of essential.

And the fact is that iOS has those features now. Why are we still talking about more than two years ago? Especially since a lot more people considered iOS to be more advanced than Android two years ago.

I'm talking about essential for me, my opinion. I don't care what the most popular smartphone in the world is, if I don't like it, it's gone.

I sold my 1st gen iPhone and bought - wait for it - a Nokia 5800 XpressMusic because it was more capable at the time.

Apple trickles updates out painfully slowly so you feel like you're always waiting for them to do something with the platform, but it never happens. Basic features are still missing. :(
 

maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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[MOD NOTE]
Keep the personal attacks, baiting, trolling and insults out of this thread.

If members want to debate the 4S vs. the S3, that's fine, but calling members fanboys/fandroids or other derogatory terms will not be tolerated.
 

Mac.World

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Jan 9, 2011
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Why is it that Android is always just as smooth as iOS, but we are always seeing claims that the next update is finally going to fix the lag problems? :D

:D This was meant completely as a joke. Obviously, there are hardware differences. :D

I haven't seen anything about 4.1 fixing any lag problems on the new phones, it supposedly just makes everything even faster. Of course, you have to have 4.0.x first and there is no guarantee when that is going to happen for many phones, especially those on at&t. I mean the S2 Skyrocket came out in November last year, was the flagship phone, and it hasn't gotten ICS yet (at&t is saying August now. We'll see.) hell, not a single Samsung tablet has gotten the ICS update yet. They are all still stuck on Honeycomb (argueably THE WORST operating system ever. Those tablets will seem like new with ICS.)

Anyway, if a person was to switch to an Android phone, the only ones worth considering are the HOX, S3, Google Nexus or Note. Everything else may as well assume they will never be updated to 4.1. That doesn't mean a person can't update themselves via a rom, but the average joe won't deal with doing that.
 

Vegastouch

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Anyway, if a person was to switch to an Android phone, the only ones worth considering are the HOX, S3, Google Nexus or Note. Everything else may as well assume they will never be updated to 4.1. That doesn't mean a person can't update themselves via a rom, t
the average joe won't deal with doing that.

Id say the RAZR Maxx could be in that group and has recieved the ICS update.
 

cwwilson

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Jan 27, 2009
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I received my S3 via UPS this morning and I have to say, this might be the best phone/device I've ever bought. I could list some things I love about it but it's probably along the lines to what's been posted in this thread already by other users. I do not, however, like how quickly it heats up at the bottom, makes it uncomfortable to hold after a bit, but with a giant high tech screen I guess that's part of life. Otherwise, this thing is incredible. Very solid all around.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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Las Vegas, NV
I received my S3 via UPS this morning and I have to say, this might be the best phone/device I've ever bought. I could list some things I love about it but it's probably along the lines to what's been posted in this thread already by other users. I do not, however, like how quickly it heats up at the bottom, makes it uncomfortable to hold after a bit, but with a giant high tech screen I guess that's part of life. Otherwise, this thing is incredible. Very solid all around.

Hmm, mine doesnt heat up at the bottom :confused:
 
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