iPhone 6/6 Plus, Moto X (2014), Note 4?

[blairh]

lol @ "general consensus". Also, I didn't ask if you've held both. I asked have you held them both TOGETHER? And yes, I will continue to disagree. In the meantime, going back to what my original point was, it is very poorly designed, and does not make good use of the space.

By held both I meant at the same time.

You're getting quite emotional about your new phone.

General consensus meaning there are plenty of reviews stating the N6 has average battery life. Can't say the same about the 6 Plus.

Not clear why you think the 6 Plus is poorly designed. A larger screen on a slightly larger footprint isn't better.

 

[animalx]

By held both I meant at the same time.

You're getting quite emotional about your new phone.

General consensus meaning there are plenty of reviews stating the N6 has average battery life. Can't say the same about the 6 Plus.

Not clear why you think the 6 Plus is poorly designed. A larger screen on a slightly larger footprint isn't better.

lol disagreeing with you is emotional? Bear in mind, you are the one that rushed to retort with something totally unrelated to what I was speaking about. And by the way, I know what "general consensus" means, and as stated before I tend to disagree. As for poor design, I made it quite clear why I said that. You don't have to compare it to the Nexus 6 to see that. The G3 also has a 5.5" display and still has a significantly smaller frame.
The bottom line is, it is a poor design that does not make good use of the space it has. Other flagships prove it....no need to get emotional about it

 

[tbayrgs]

lol disagreeing with you is emotional? Bear in mind, you are the one that rushed to retort with something totally unrelated to what I was speaking about. And by the way, I know what "general consensus" means, and as stated before I tend to disagree. As for poor design, I made it quite clear why I said that. You don't have to compare it to the Nexus 6 to see that. The G3 also has a 5.5" display and still has a significantly smaller frame.
The bottom line is, it is a poor design that does not make good use of the space it has. Other flagships prove it....no need to get emotional about it

Yet you are conveniently leaving out the one piece of hardware that requires those large bezels, a point that is belabored ad nauseum all over online forums yet 'huge bezels' continues to be the stock anti-iPhone criticism. And save your breath bringing up Samsung's equivalent because the 'general consensus' is that it's a poor facsimile of Apple's implementation.

Yes the iPhones have larger bezels than most other flagship phones but they also have a piece of hardware that many like myself wouldn't trade for a few less mm of bezel, something the Nexus 6, the LG G3, or the vast majority of other smartphones don't have. Add the portion of the display on the Nexus 6 that's used for the soft keys (which are displayed a great majority of the time) and the Nexus now has a pretty big chin itself. I'll agree regarding the stereo speakers though--really wish Apple would include them, especially on their larger devices.

 

[blairh]

lol disagreg with you is emotional? Bear in mind, you are the one that rushed to retort with something totally unrelated to what I was speaking about. And by the way, I know what "general consensus" means, and as stated before I tend to disagree. As for poor design, I made it quite clear why I said that. You don't have to compare it to the Nexus 6 to see that. The G3 also has a 5.5" display and still has a significantly smaller frame.
The bottom line is, it is a poor design that does not make good use of the space it has. Other flagships prove it....no need to get emotional about it

I responded to your previous statement. Not exactly sure how I'm discussing something unrelated. Also I really hate the G3 comparison. Yes it has a smaller footprint but it's also thicker. One could also argue the N4 is poorly designed because its footprint is larger than the G3 while only bring .2" larger. But I don't feel that's the case.

 

[animalx]

Yet you are conveniently leaving out the one piece of hardware that requires those large bezels, a point that is belabored ad nauseum all over online forums yet 'huge bezels' continues to be the stock anti-iPhone criticism. And save your breath bringing up Samsung's equivalent because the 'general consensus' is that it's a poor facsimile of Apple's implementation.

Yes the iPhones have larger bezels than most other flagship phones but they also have a piece of hardware that many like myself wouldn't trade for a few less mm of bezel, something the Nexus 6, the LG G3, or the vast majority of other smartphones don't have. Add the portion of the display on the Nexus 6 that's used for the soft keys (which are displayed a great majority of the time) and the Nexus now has a pretty big chin itself. I'll agree regarding the stereo speakers though--really wish Apple would include them, especially on their larger devices.

The flaw in your argument is the iPhone had large bezels even before adding that feature. Furthermore, like it or not, there are other phones that have that, and still don't have bezels that thick. As for your statement about the softkeys, it doesn't hold weight. You want to count a portion of the screen, that I can change or move out of the way? Sorry, like it or not, it's a part of the display. You don't get to attempt to obfuscate things to fit your argument. My assertion remains the same, the iPhone is poorly designed and does not take advantage of the space available to it.

 

[animalx]

I responded to your previous statement. Not exactly sure how I'm discussing something unrelated. Also I really hate the G3 comparison. Yes it has a smaller footprint but it's also thicker. One could also argue the N4 is poorly designed because its footprint is larger than the G3 while only bring .2" larger. But I don't feel that's the case.

Not true. The G3 is almost a half inch shorter than the 6 plus and about a quarter of an inch narrower. The funny thing you asserted that the 6 plus was "only" .2" larger (inferring the difference was negligible...though that was false), but made it seem as if the Nexus 6 was significantly larger than the 6 plus. What's funnier (besides the G3 being noticeably smaller) is that the Nexus 6 is only .05" taller (almost exact same height) and basically .2" wider. So that same .2" that wasn't a bid deal when you thought it worked for you, is the same .2" difference in the Nexus' width. So like I said before, the Nexus brings a half inch larger display along with stereo speakers, in almost the same size body. This in itself shows the iPhone does not take advantage of it's space well.

 

[tbayrgs]

The flaw in your argument is the iPhone had large bezels even before adding that feature. Furthermore, like it or not, there are other phones that have that, and still don't have bezels that thick. As for your statement about the softkeys, it doesn't hold weight. You want to count a portion of the screen, that I can change or move out of the way? Sorry, like it or not, it's a part of the display. You don't get to attempt to obfuscate things to fit your argument. My assertion remains the same, the iPhone is poorly designed and does not take advantage of the space available to it.

Fine, so the iPhone model from 2 years ago had unnecessarily large bezels--thanks for pointing that out for us.

Name a single current flagship smartphone with a fingerprint scanner implementation that is as functional and reliable as the iPhone 6/6+. You can't, because there isn't.

Sure, you can hide the soft keys if you root your phone. Great option for you or I, not so for the overwhelming majority of smartphone buyers. But fine, eliminate this part of the argument. Still doesn't change the fact that your Nexus won't unlock your device, authenticate your ID in lieu of a password, or authorize a payment when you hold your home key.

Assert all you like...doesn't mean it's correct.

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So like I said before, the Nexus brings a half inch larger display along with stereo speakers, in almost the same size body. This in itself shows the iPhone does not take advantage of it's space well.

And again we'll ask, where is the Nexus' or G3's fingerprint scanner/reader?

 

[blairh]

Not true. The G3 is almost a half inch shorter than the 6 plus and about a quarter of an inch narrower. The funny thing you asserted that the 6 plus was "only" .2" larger (inferring the difference was negligible...though that was false), but made it seem as if the Nexus 6 was significantly larger than the 6 plus. What's funnier (besides the G3 being noticeably smaller) is that the Nexus 6 is only .05" taller (almost exact same height) and basically .2" wider. So that same .2" that wasn't a bid deal when you thought it worked for you, is the same .2" difference in the Nexus' width. So like I said before, the Nexus brings a half inch larger display along with stereo speakers, in almost the same size body. This in itself shows the iPhone does not take advantage of it's space well.

Take the time to read my last post. You are all over the place here, misreading what I'm saying, and just rambling at this point. Enjoy your enormous phone. I'm done here.

 

[animalx]

Fine, so the iPhone model from 2 years ago had unnecessarily large bezels--thanks for pointing that out for us.

Name a single current flagship smartphone with a fingerprint scanner implementation that is as functional and reliable as the iPhone 6/6+. You can't, because there isn't.

Sure, you can hide the soft keys if you root your phone. Great option for you or I, not so for the overwhelming majority of smartphone buyers. But fine, eliminate this part of the argument. Still doesn't change the fact that your Nexus won't unlock your device, authenticate your ID in lieu of a password, or authorize a payment when you hold your home key.

Assert all you like...doesn't mean it's correct.

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And again we'll ask, where is the Nexus' or G3's fingerprint scanner/reader?

So that's all you've got? A fingerprint scanner? Other phones, such as the Note and Galaxy S, both show that a fingerprint scanner does not require the bezels to be huge. Furthermore, there is only a fingerprint scanner in the bottom bezel. In the meantime, it only has one physical button, whereas phones such as the Note and Galaxy S, have a physical button AND capacitive buttons surrounding it, and still manage to have a smaller bottom bezel. The Nexus 6 fits an whole half inch of screen, AND stereo speakers in much the same size... Are you really going to try to assert that a fingerprint scanner takes up as much room as a half inch of screen AND stereo speakers? You and I both know that wouldn't be a sound argument, so please, let's stop with the fingerprint scanner excuse. It's a poor and archaic design, simple as that.

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Take the time to read my last post. You are all over the place here, misreading what I'm saying, and just rambling at this point. Enjoy your enormous phone. I'm done here.

Thanks! And you keep "considering" the poorly designed 6 plus. That's the beauty of it all, there are choices. Some people prefer better design, and some people prefer Apple logos. Hopefully you'll get to make your move from your current phone, soon. To each their own.

PS
It is really strange you've given me such a reaction just because I think the 6 plus is poorly designed. Not sure why my opinion bothers you so much, but whatever it is, I hope you deal with it.

 

[tbayrgs]

So that's all you've got? A fingerprint scanner? Other phones, such as the Note and Galaxy S, both show that a fingerprint scanner does not require the bezels to be huge. Furthermore, there is only a fingerprint scanner in the bottom bezel.

And as I've pointed out (and pretty much every tech publication, online or print, as well as endless first hand accounts have as well), those implementations are inferior. Some of the staunches advocates of the Note 4 here on this very forum will tell use themselves that their own experiences support these claims. So sure, they may be smaller but if they don't work easily and reliably, what's the point?

As far as the 'only the bottom bezel' argument, it's called design symmetry genius. The vast majority of phones use it, including your Nexus 6, the LG G3, and both Samsung devices you mentioned. Heck, Samsung even fills the empty space on their top bezel with their name. What's their excuse for not minimizing even further? Because it looks uneven and aesthetically unpleasant.

In the meantime, it only has one physical button, whereas phones such as the Note and Galaxy S, have a physical button AND capacitive buttons surrounding it, and still manage to have a smaller bottom bezel.

OK, now who's using obfuscation for their argument? You think Samsung is employing some engineering wizardry placing 2 capacitive buttons in what would otherwise be empty spaces on either side of their home button? Those capacitive buttons aren't the limiting factor of how small the bezel can be, it's the home button. Adding or removing them wouldn't change how big the bezel is.

The Nexus 6 fits an whole half inch of screen, AND stereo speakers in much the same size... Are you really going to try to assert that a fingerprint scanner takes up as much room as a half inch of screen AND stereo speakers? You and I both know that wouldn't be a sound argument, so please, let's stop with the fingerprint scanner excuse. It's a poor and archaic design, simple as that.

Well, I admittedly don't own a Nexus 6 (yet, it's on my Christmas wish list) so I cannot perform exact measurements, nor compare the 2 devices side-by-side but a simple visual comparison of photos of the two devices shows that the portion of the display dedicated to the soft keys and remaining bottom bezel appear to take up roughly the same amount of space as the bottom bezel on the iPhone 6+, a bezel with about a mm of clearance on either side of that fingerprint scanner. So yeah, it apparently does take up the same amount of space.

We can argue the merits of each devices hardware and features all day but it doesn't change the fact that the iPhone appears to be designed to accommodate the fingerprint scanner. You prefer the smaller bezels and stereo speakers. I'd like the dual speakers as well but I use the fingerprint scanner far more than the speaker so if I had to pick only one, I'll take the scanner. You're not the first to criticize the device's bezels and certainly won't be the last. You're also not an engineer at Apple with an intimate understanding of what's required to make the device function at its best, nor offering any viable solutions to your perceive problem with the device. So unless you can prove my last statement inaccurate, how about you keep the smartphone design and engineering to people who have a clue.

 

[Truefan31]

I will say that Touch ID blows away other versions of fingerprint scanners on phones so far.

 

[animalx]

And as I've pointed out (and pretty much every tech publication, online or print, as well as endless first hand accounts have as well), those implementations are inferior. Some of the staunches advocates of the Note 4 here on this very forum will tell use themselves that their own experiences support these claims. So sure, they may be smaller but if they don't work easily and reliably, what's the point?

Regardless of if you like the implementation or not, the bottom line is, that isn't an excuse for poorly making use of phone real estate.

As far as the 'only the bottom bezel' argument, it's called design symmetry genius. The vast majority of phones use it, including your Nexus 6, the LG G3, and both Samsung devices you mentioned. Heck, Samsung even fills the empty space on their top bezel with their name. What's their excuse for not minimizing even further? Because it looks uneven and aesthetically unpleasant.

So in the name of symmetry we poorly make use of phone real estate? Wouldn't it make more sense to have better engineering instead?

OK, now who's using obfuscation for their argument? You think Samsung is employing some engineering wizardry placing 2 capacitive buttons in what would otherwise be empty spaces on either side of their home button? Those capacitive buttons aren't the limiting factor of how small the bezel can be, it's the home button. Adding or removing them wouldn't change how big the bezel is.

So is it your assertion that capacitive buttons don't take up any space at all? Because in order for what you say to be true, they would have to have no space requirement at all. The bottom line is, Samsung managed to include these things, and still use less bezel.



Well, I admittedly don't own a Nexus 6 (yet, it's on my Christmas wish list) so I cannot perform exact measurements, nor compare the 2 devices side-by-side but a simple visual comparison of photos of the two devices shows that the portion of the display dedicated to the soft keys and remaining bottom bezel appear to take up roughly the same amount of space as the bottom bezel on the iPhone 6+, a bezel with about a mm of clearance on either side of that fingerprint scanner. So yeah, it apparently does take up the same amount of space.

We can argue the merits of each devices hardware and features all day but it doesn't change the fact that the iPhone appears to be designed to accommodate the fingerprint scanner. You prefer the smaller bezels and stereo speakers. I'd like the dual speakers as well but I use the fingerprint scanner far more than the speaker so if I had to pick only one, I'll take the scanner. You're not the first to criticize the device's bezels and certainly won't be the last. You're also not an engineer at Apple with an intimate understanding of what's required to make the device function at its best, nor offering any viable solutions to your perceive problem with the device. So unless you can prove my last statement inaccurate, how about you keep the smartphone design and engineering to people who have a clue.

I could use your exact statement against you, as it relates to Apple not efficiently using their phone's real estate. So with that said....You're also not an engineer at Apple with an intimate understanding of what's required to make the device function at its best, nor offering any viable solutions to your perceive problem with the device. So unless you can prove my last statement inaccurate, how about you keep the smartphone design and engineering to people who have a clue.

 

[Truefan31]

Regardless of if you like the implementation or not, the bottom line is, that isn't an excuse for poorly making use of phone real estate.





So in the name of symmetry we poorly make use of phone real estate? Wouldn't it make more sense to have better engineering instead?





So is it your assertion that capacitive buttons don't take up any space at all? Because in order for what you say to be true, they would have to have no space requirement at all. The bottom line is, Samsung managed to include these things, and still use less bezel.







Well, I admittedly don't own a Nexus 6 (yet, it's on my Christmas wish list) so I cannot perform exact measurements, nor compare the 2 devices side-by-side but a simple visual comparison of photos of the two devices shows that the portion of the display dedicated to the soft keys and remaining bottom bezel appear to take up roughly the same amount of space as the bottom bezel on the iPhone 6+, a bezel with about a mm of clearance on either side of that fingerprint scanner. So yeah, it apparently does take up the same amount of space.





I could use your exact statement against you, as it relates to Apple not efficiently using their phone's real estate. So with that said....You're also not an engineer at Apple with an intimate understanding of what's required to make the device function at its best, nor offering any viable solutions to your perceive problem with the device. So unless you can prove my last statement inaccurate, how about you keep the smartphone design and engineering to people who have a clue.

I see both sides but I assume Apple is doing pretty well design so the majority of people seem to like the design of the iPhone.

 

[animalx]

I see both sides but I assume Apple is doing pretty well design so the majority of people seem to like the design of the iPhone.

With that same logic, I suppose we can arrive at the conclusion that crack was pretty good too, because it was popular... :-/

 

[pdqgp]

Still doesn't change the fact that your Nexus won't unlock your device, authenticate your ID in lieu of a password, or authorize a payment when you hold your home key.

Meh....personally, I like having a simple 4 digit code on my Phone. I also like that I don't need to enter a password on Google Play for purchases or updates. Payment wise, I've been using NFC with simple 4 digit code to pay through my Chase Sapphire card on my Note 3 and it's worked flawlessly. Again, I'm sure the touch ID thing is cool but for me it's not a reason to rave about a phone. Just my opinion though.

 

[Faux Carnival]

None of them. Definitely Oneplus One.

 

[redred]

The 6 Plus isn't 'poorly designed' because the G3 has the same size screen but is more compact.

 

[Menneisyys2]

I was also in the same dilemma: 6+ vs. Note4. (I wouldn't have bothered with the iPhone6 as it lacks OIS, which I consider essential.) Then, I've went for the Note4 because:

- it's slightly cheaper
- it has 4K video (which, if you shoot with Snap Camera HDR, produces some excellent footage without oversharpening / noise reduction, something the stock Camera app overdoes)
- it has a full Wacom(!) pen
- slightly bigger screen
- capable of doing things (e.g., proper call recording, split-screen multitasking w/ any third-party app etc.) not possible on the iPhone6 (split-screen multitasking being impossible with even jailbreaking)
- microSD, swappable battery, NFC, cheap Qi (which I love on my N7 2013) case
etc.

Note that I don't use the fingerprint reader at all. That is, the better iPhone implementation hasn't had any effect on my decision.

 

[tbayrgs]

Regardless of if you like the implementation or not, the bottom line is, that isn't an excuse for poorly making use of phone real estate.

Of course it is. Bezel at point A with a larger fingerprint sensor that works effectively or Bezel at point B with a smaller fingerprint sensor that doesn't work effectively. Choosing the latter is purely form over function, ironically the exact criticism often leveled against Apple over the years. So what you're saying is it's better to install a half baked solution, purely for the sake of bezels?

So in the name of symmetry we poorly make use of phone real estate? Wouldn't it make more sense to have better engineering instead?

Yes, and as has been pointed out, most smartphone manufacturers appear to agree. Again, that Samsung logo on the front of it's devices don't serve any purpose other than taking up space, at least by your argument.

So is it your assertion that capacitive buttons don't take up any space at all? Because in order for what you say to be true, they would have to have no space requirement at all. The bottom line is, Samsung managed to include these things, and still use less bezel.

No, my assertion is that the bezel would be in exactly the same place regardless of whether the capacitive buttons were there or not. The bezel doesn't change in either scenario, unless Samsung was planning on being the first manufacturer to offer a display that curved down around the home button rather than go straight across.

I could use your exact statement against you, as it relates to Apple not efficiently using their phone's real estate. So with that said....You're also not an engineer at Apple with an intimate understanding of what's required to make the device function at its best, nor offering any viable solutions to your perceive problem with the device. So unless you can prove my last statement inaccurate, how about you keep the smartphone design and engineering to people who have a clue.

Well, you're right correct in this regard, I'm no Apple engineer. But at least I'm basing my argument on physical evidence (i.e. a physical button that limits the size of a bezel), rather than just saying 'it's too big, they should make it smaller.'

 

[Technarchy]

Held both. Noticed the N6 was wider. Felt it too. Same with weight. General consensus of N6 reviews is that it has worse battery life compared to the 6 Plus. Disagree all you want.

I finally got to play with the Nexus 6 and it's way too big to be considered practical for my uses. And the battery life has been reviewed as wanting. I like lollipop though.

The design with the Motorola X might make sense after lollipop is fully released.

 

[tbayrgs]

I was also in the same dilemma: 6+ vs. Note4. (I wouldn't have bothered with the iPhone6 as it lacks OIS, which I consider essential.) Then, I've went for the Note4 because:

- it's slightly cheaper
- it has 4K video (which, if you shoot with Snap Camera HDR, produces some excellent footage without oversharpening / noise reduction, something the stock Camera app overdoes)
- it has a full Wacom(!) pen
- slightly bigger screen
- capable of doing things (e.g., proper call recording, split-screen multitasking w/ any third-party app etc.) not possible on the iPhone6 (split-screen multitasking being impossible with even jailbreaking)
- microSD, swappable battery, NFC, cheap Qi (which I love on my N7 2013) case
etc.

Note that I don't use the fingerprint reader at all. That is, the better iPhone implementation hasn't had any effect on my decision.

All perfectly valid reasons. And there's also nothing wrong with choosing it because it has a slightly larger screen in a slightly smaller form factor. My contention has purely been that someone stating the 6/6+ is poorly engineered or designed simply because it has larger bezels or because one doesn't use the specific feature accounting for those bezels is just nonsense.

I'm not stating the iPhone's design is better or more efficient than its competitors, just that there clearly appears to be a reason for it.

I think the Nexus 6 is a great looking device and its efficient use of space is a primary reason I'm considering picking one up. If it employed the same screen to overall size ratio found on the iPhone, it would probably be too big for me. But I also really like the functionality the TouchID brings to the iPhone and am fine with the compromise it's use brings.

 

[Menneisyys2]

- capable of doing things (e.g., proper call recording, split-screen multitasking w/ any third-party app etc.) not possible on the iPhone6 (split-screen multitasking being impossible with even jailbreaking)

Forgot to add that the Note4 is capable of all these without rooting, that is, without losing your warranty. This is pretty much a biggie!

 

[animalx]

Of course it is. Bezel at point A with a larger fingerprint sensor that works effectively or Bezel at point B with a smaller fingerprint sensor that doesn't work effectively. Choosing the latter is purely form over function, ironically the exact criticism often leveled against Apple over the years. So what you're saying is it's better to install a half baked solution, purely for the sake of bezels?

That would be to ASSUME that the reason it is "half baked" (as you so eloquently put it) is due to its size. That would also be to infer that had the bezels been larger, it would not be "half baked". I won't even go into how flawed that logic and assertion is, as reading that aloud should be enough. To say your stance is ridiculous, would be an understatement.

Yes, and as has been pointed out, most smartphone manufacturers appear to agree. Again, that Samsung logo on the front of it's devices don't serve any purpose other than taking up space, at least by your argument.

There is nothing wrong with symmetry, as long as the design being repeated is an actual good design. In the case of the iPhone, it is not. Sorry...it just isn't.

No, my assertion is that the bezel would be in exactly the same place regardless of whether the capacitive buttons were there or not. The bezel doesn't change in either scenario, unless Samsung was planning on being the first manufacturer to offer a display that curved down around the home button rather than go straight across.

You're making quite a few assumptions there to arrive at that conclusion. Care to substantiate any of that with anything relating to the amount of space the capacitive buttons take up, along with the home button and the components of the scanner? Without that, all we're left with is one great big assumption on your part.....not that I doubt you or anything....

Well, you're right correct in this regard, I'm no Apple engineer. But at least I'm basing my argument on physical evidence (i.e. a physical button that limits the size of a bezel), rather than just saying 'it's too big, they should make it smaller.'

You've based your argument on nothing more than assumption and conjecture. When evidence exists in other devices, that would indicate the bezels could very well be smaller, you dismiss it.

 

[animalx]

All perfectly valid reasons. And there's also nothing wrong with choosing it because it has a slightly larger screen in a slightly smaller form factor. My contention has purely been that someone stating the 6/6+ is poorly engineered or designed simply because it has larger bezels or because one doesn't use the specific feature accounting for those bezels is just nonsense.

Massive bezels AND lack of ergonomic design...

 

[tbayrgs]

That would be to ASSUME that the reason it is "half baked" (as you so eloquently put it) is due to its size. That would also be to infer that had the bezels been larger, it would not be "half baked". I won't even go into how flawed that logic and assertion is, as reading that aloud should be enough. To say your stance is ridiculous, would be an understatement.

Your inability to understand logic is the only aspect of the argument that's ridiculous. The Samsung scanner is too small to read a fingerprint in the same manner as is done with the iPhone and thus requires a precise swipe across. There has been plenty of empirical proof showing it's reliability is inferior to the iPhone--miss the swipe ever so slightly and it doesn't read. In addition, it's incredibly difficult to initiate the scan using one hand due to the requirement to very precisely swipe your finger across the home button rather than simply hold it. The advantages of the iPhone's scanner are largely due to it's size--larger sensor that doesn't require finger gymnastics to execute. Larger sensor, larger bezel. See how that works?

There is nothing wrong with symmetry, as long as the design being repeated is an actual good design. In the case of the iPhone, it is not. Sorry...it just isn't.

Your opinion, nothing more.

You're making quite a few assumptions there to arrive at that conclusion. Care to substantiate any of that with anything relating to the amount of space the capacitive buttons take up, along with the home button and the components of the scanner? Without that, all we're left with is one great big assumption on your part.....not that I doubt you or anything....

No different than you assuming how much space is required inside for the iPhone's internal components to function properly.

You've based your argument on nothing more than assumption and conjecture. When evidence exists in other devices, that would indicate the bezels could very well be smaller, you dismiss it.

Again, there's no assumption or conjecture involved in actually looking at the size of the fingerprint scanner on the iPhone and understanding that it requires a certain amount of space on the bottom bezel. Not sure how you expect them to reduce a bezel to a size smaller than the size of the fingerprint reader. And I haven't dismissed a single piece of evidence because you haven't provided any, short of just removing the fingerprint sensor entirely, just repeating your personal opinion, over and over and over....

Anyways, I'm stepping away from this discussion because we've beaten this horse to death and I'm sure the other readers would like to move on. Go ahead and reply to get your last digs in because I'm fairly certain you need to have the last word.

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Forgot to add that the Note4 is capable of all these without rooting, that is, without losing your warranty. This is pretty much a biggie!

You can use any app in split screen multitasking? In my experience with the two Note devices I owned, the available apps was quite limited and the reviews I've read said that limitation still exists. Was it a recent change or something entirely new with the Note 4?