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Math889

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All those "S" changes can be summed with one word: Faster.

Those "S" enhancements don't fundamentally change how you can use iPhone. Whether it's 64-bit, more RAM, or Touch ID 2.0, the difference is simply "faster."

On the other hand, the major iPhone revisions tend to change how people use iPhone.

5: LTE and camera for Facetime HD and/or practical tethering
6: Apple Pay, VoLTE
7: Water resistance and telephoto lens
Yes, the "S" enhancements changes how you can use your Iphone. Touch ID , 3D touch ... makes a huge diference .
Touch ID you dont need to put your passcode everytime you unlock your phone , so this change how you use your phone.

3D touch is really nice .Honestly, I cant live without 3D touch . Its useful .
Touch ID 2.0 u dont even notice that u unlocked your phone ..
This faster makes a huge difference at least for ME
 

fastbagger

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I'm perfectly content with the look and feel of the 7, don't know why we have to get "wowed" by a new case? Sure new look and feel makes it feel special, but personally I'm ok with them doing a 7s, same look with new internals.

Agree 100%. Just leave it as is and improve on the internals and Apple please concentrate on your software and web based services. I would love to use iCloud as my email with 100% reliability.
 

Playstation007

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BigAppleNYC123

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I see the "S" version phones as a testbed for new features. The real world application for those "S" features only show up a year later in the major iPhone revisions.

4S: Except for Siri, doesn't do anything substantially different than the iPhone 4.
5S: Touch ID (no real use until paired with NFC in iPhone 6), M7 (no real use until Health app in iOS 8).
6S: 3D Touch (much of the functionality had to wait until iOS 10), Touch ID 2.0 (nice to have)

5: LTE, Lightning Connector, new display and form factor
6: NFC (Apple Pay), VoLTE, new display and form factor
7: Water resistance, telephoto, capacitive home button

Your comments on the S vs non S cycles are biased with you not giving the S credit it deserves. That's why the comments responding to you have so many upvotes.

I used to be in the non S cycle. I lost my 6 and got a 6S. The performance is so much faster than 6. 2GB of ram is a huge deal. My 6 was so laggy, from the start. On 6S Touch ID is faster. Camera is much better. Oh, and force touch, which is way more useful than no head phone jack or water proofing.

Ive been converted to this S cycle. It's better.
 
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pika2000

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People complained about the iPhone 6 design, yet it is the most copied by Android OEMs (OnePlus 5, pretty much all current Oppo and Vivo phones, Samsung Galaxy C series, etc), and nobody said they're tired with those.

The bezel less hype looks cool to show off the phone, but usability is another story. I tried the S8, and the bezel less sides become more of an annoyance due to unintended touches. I rather have LG G6's screen that still leave some bezel for grip.

My next iPhone should have IP68 rating and 3 or 4GB of RAM. If the 7S matches those, I might be interested. If not, my 6S still runs great. I won't be interested in the iPhone 8/Edition. It will have first gen of many things, and we know about Apple first iteration of products. I would rather wait for the 8S or even 9.
 

scott523

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It’s probably unlikely but I haven’t seen anyone or any article mention this... but could we see a ProMotion “S”creen along with minor enhancements for this years’ 7S?
 

Menel

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All those "S" changes can be summed with one word: Faster.

Those "S" enhancements don't fundamentally change how you can use iPhone. Whether it's 64-bit, more RAM, or Touch ID 2.0, the difference is simply "faster."

On the other hand, the major iPhone revisions tend to change how people use iPhone.

5: LTE and camera for Facetime HD and/or practical tethering
6: Apple Pay, VoLTE
7: Water resistance and telephoto lens
I actually agree with you... but devils advocate to show that it is user preference on which is better.

4S: Siri potentially changed how people use iPhone
5S: TouchID changed how people login, no more passcodes, much quicker, more secure long passcodes.
6S: 3D touch changed interaction and use.
7S: dropping touchID and going with face recognition ;-)
 

Applestock

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Jan 1, 2008
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I think there is a possibility that the recent leaks about TouchID on the back could be for the 7s/7s+. Then the virtual home button tech that will be implemented with the OLED phone can also be applied to the 7s, enabling a smaller body height with the same 4.7 and 5.5" screens (reduced bezels on top and bottom). I think they will actually be called the 8 and 8+ due to this design change. The third OLED screen phone will then be called the Edition or 8 Pro, and will be differentiated less by the screen bezels (although the OLED design will have even less bezel) and more by embedded TouchID, AR/3D camera & ambient authentication technology, or possibly true wireless charging. The edition will also make use of a new material, either liquid metal, ceramic, or both (frame and backplate).
 

BigAppleNYC123

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Jun 6, 2017
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I think there is a possibility that the recent leaks about TouchID on the back could be for the 7s/7s+. Then the virtual home button tech that will be implemented with the OLED phone can also be applied to the 7s, enabling a smaller body height with the same 4.7 and 5.5" screens (reduced bezels on top and bottom). I think they will actually be called the 8 and 8+ due to this design change. The third OLED screen phone will then be called the Edition or 8 Pro, and will be differentiated less by the screen bezels (although the OLED design will have even less bezel) and more by embedded TouchID, AR/3D camera & ambient authentication technology, or possibly true wireless charging. The edition will also make use of a new material, either liquid metal, ceramic, or both (frame and backplate).
Touch ID on the back is not going to happen. That all Two or three new iPhones get OLED also seems very unlikely.
 

craigio85

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Jun 27, 2017
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I think there is a possibility that the recent leaks about TouchID on the back could be for the 7s/7s+. Then the virtual home button tech that will be implemented with the OLED phone can also be applied to the 7s, enabling a smaller body height with the same 4.7 and 5.5" screens (reduced bezels on top and bottom). I think they will actually be called the 8 and 8+ due to this design change. The third OLED screen phone will then be called the Edition or 8 Pro, and will be differentiated less by the screen bezels (although the OLED design will have even less bezel) and more by embedded TouchID, AR/3D camera & ambient authentication technology, or possibly true wireless charging. The edition will also make use of a new material, either liquid metal, ceramic, or both (frame and backplate).

If there was any sort of chassis change, I'm sure there would have been prototype leaks long before now.

As it is, there's been an almost complete absence of any leaks relating to the 7s - plenty of rumours but from what I can see, all pure speculation built on an assumption that the historic numbering pattern will continue. It could just be down to lack of interest since all eyes are on the 8, but I think it's more likely because there isn't going to be a 7s.

One new, larger screen but reduced chassis-size model. No accompanying 8+ model - perhaps to follow next year if the demand exists for a larger screen (which I don't really think it will on any big scale). Pure speculation from me - but it's what I think is logical and likely.
 

Melrose

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Your comments on the S vs non S cycles are biased with you not giving the S credit it deserves. That's why the comments responding to you have so many upvotes.

I used to be in the non S cycle. I lost my 6 and got a 6S. The performance is so much faster than 6. 2GB of ram is a huge deal. My 6 was so laggy, from the start. On 6S Touch ID is faster. Camera is much better. Oh, and force touch, which is way more useful than no head phone jack or water proofing.

Ive been converted to this S cycle. It's better.

It's the typical processor "tick tock" cycle. One is efficiency, the other is power. :)

The bezel less hype looks cool to show off the phone, but usability is another story. I tried the S8, and the bezel less sides become more of an annoyance due to unintended touches. I rather have LG G6's screen that still leave some bezel for grip.

I first saw bezel-less designs and went "ooooooo" but then two seconds later thought "what if I touch it accidentally? Is it harder to swipe from the edge of the screen? Is the screen more prone to edge scratches?"

In the end, it looks nice but I'm fine with a bezel. Plus most cases have a raised lip. How do you counter the snap lock of a solid case if it can't get enough hold on the edge?
 

sulpfiction

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Aug 16, 2011
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There wont be no 8. 7s is the next in line and maybe a 7s pro.

7s pro? Lol. No way & no thanks.
[doublepost=1500233865][/doublepost][QUOTE="Melrose, post: 24805358, most cases have a raised lip. How do you counter the snap lock of a solid case if it can't get enough hold on the edge?[/QUOTE]

This is a non issue. All the rumors this year show a small bezel. But even if it had zero bezel case manufacturers will figure out how to protect it. Do u really think that because of the design there might not be good, protective cases? Cmon now.
 

Melrose

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This is a non issue. All the rumors this year show a small bezel. But even if it had zero bezel case manufacturers will figure out how to protect it. Do u really think that because of the design there might not be good, protective cases? Cmon now.

Well, it's not matter of conveniently handing off logic to some enigmatic case designer and expecting him to work miracles you don't fully comprehend - it's simple practicality. If there's not enough edge to grip, you have a choice: Get a case with high grip that obscures part of your screen, or get a case with lower grip that doesn't. You'd trade usability or security at some point; it's not tricky to understand that concept. :)
 

phonemanjones

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Jan 28, 2013
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I consider myself to be an S person. Except when a new release comes out. Then I'm a non-S person. It seems to change every year! So now I'm confused. If there's an 7S Plus AND and 8 this year, what will I do? I suppose to be consistent, I'll have to get a 7S Plus for one hand and an 8 for the other :D
 
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