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Supermallet

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That would be a pretty phenomenal advancement if it's correct!
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Found an article on CNET, which discusses HEIF, and in it they say:

Ah, thank you for finding that. It sounds like I was right in theory but Apple isn’t making it so in practice.

The TechCrunch review (https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/19/review-iphone-8/) which is mostly about the camera says that HDR isn’t always on, but it is automatic when the phone determines it would be useful. So not every shot will be HDR but if you’re using the stock camera you don’t get to choose whether or not HDR will be used.

I highly recommend reading that TC review because it goes in depth into the camera and highlights features I didn’t know existed.

P.S. These reviews are making me VERY excited to get the 8 Plus on Friday, the camera should be a massive improvement over the one in my 7.
 

Alexander.Of.Oz

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Ah, thank you for finding that. It sounds like I was right in theory but Apple isn’t making it so in practice.

The TechCrunch review (https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/19/review-iphone-8/) which is mostly about the camera says that HDR isn’t always on, but it is automatic when the phone determines it would be useful. So not every shot will be HDR but if you’re using the stock camera you don’t get to choose whether or not HDR will be used.

I highly recommend reading that TC review because it goes in depth into the camera and highlights features I didn’t know existed.

P.S. These reviews are making me VERY excited to get the 8 Plus on Friday, the camera should be a massive improvement over the one in my 7.
Thanks for the link to that, it is very good reading indeed! It's a pity Apple don't go to these sort of lengths on their own site about the iPhone 8's.
 

Alexander.Of.Oz

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This post reads like an ad for PureShot.
If you know of a camera app that offers the same sorts of features that it has, by all means, feel free to mention it. I have zero affiliation with the makers of it, I have tried many camera apps and have found it to be the best and lowest priced one out there.
 

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If you know of a camera app that offers the same sorts of features that it has, by all means, feel free to mention it. I have zero affiliation with the makers of it, I have tried many camera apps and have found it to be the best and lowest priced one out there.
I've never used the app myself, so I can't really compare, but Manual has always been a good choice for me. But I usually use the native Camera app and do everything else in post. HDR on iPhone has always saved a copy of the original, non-HDR photo.

Maybe the model that the photographer used had a special firmware on it? Maybe it was a beta? You'll most likely be able to turn HDR off, as there's no advantage to Apple forcing it on.
 
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Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I swore I read in one of the reviews that the HEIF format allows for holding both the original exposure and the HDR assembled photo in a single photo file, so in theory you can just switch HDR effects off even after the photo is in your roll. No more two photos for each HDR shot.

While that's technically very cool, I'm glad Apple didn't go that direction. I'd rather have two distinct photos so I can get rid of one, but still enjoy the space savings from the other. If they start cramming both photos into a single "photo", I wouldn't think that would do much for saving space.
 
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Alexander.Of.Oz

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I've never used the app myself, so I can't really compare, but Manual has always been a good choice for me. But I usually use the native Camera app and do everything else in post. HDR on iPhone has always saved a copy of the original, non-HDR photo.

Maybe the model that the photographer used had a special firmware on it? Maybe it was a beta? You'll most likely be able to turn HDR off, as there's no advantage to Apple forcing it on.
Manual looks to be almost as good as PureShot! It's got a lot simpler layout and it's just missing the spot metering that you can place wherever you want.

I'll find out about whether HDR can be turned off tomorrow when my 8+ arrives. I can turn it off on my 6, which is running iOS 11, so I'm hoping that you actually can turn it off, for others benefit. Me, I'll continue to use a third party app, so I can have the benefit of RAW images to work on. I really wish Apple allowed that with their camera app.
 

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Manual looks to be almost as good as PureShot! It's got a lot simpler layout and it's just missing the spot metering that you can place wherever you want.

I'll find out about whether HDR can be turned off tomorrow when my 8+ arrives. I can turn it off on my 6, which is running iOS 11, so I'm hoping that you actually can turn it off, for others benefit. Me, I'll continue to use a third party app, so I can have the benefit of RAW images to work on. I really wish Apple allowed that with their camera app.
Yep, I'm getting my 8+ tomorrow, so I'll check too! However, they'll most likely be running the same version of iOS 11 that your 6 is, so it should be able to be turned off.

I thought Apple's camera did shoot RAW? Or was it that they just allowed RAW processing last year?
 

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While that's technically very cool, I'm glad Apple didn't go that direction. I'd rather have two distinct photos so I can get rid of one, but still enjoy the space savings from the other. If they start cramming both photos into a single "photo", I wouldn't think that would do much for saving space.

Well apparently they don’t offer two photos, if the phone uses HDR you only get the HDR version.
 
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Alexander.Of.Oz

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I thought Apple's camera did shoot RAW? Or was it that they just allowed RAW processing last year?
Unfortunately, you still have to use third party apps to access RAW files. I hoped they would have made it a native feature in the latest iOS update.
 

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UPDATE (22/09/2017)

It turns out you actually can turn off the HDR feature that ships turned on by default on the iPhone 8 plus! Thank goodness for that!

James Martin, the senior photographer for CNET obviously didn't go into the settings to verify his claim that it couldn't be turned off. The guy set off some major panic for me, believing what he had written as the truth and dreading the resulting ghosting issues if I used the inbuilt camera app.

I'll provide a screenshot verifying this.

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For what it's worth, I'll still use PureShot for 99% of my photographs I take with this iPhone 8 plus, as it allows me to save the photo's as RAW files, so as to be able to get the maximum out of them in Lightroom and Photoshop. But for the greater majority of you all, leaving things as they are, and occasionally cursing the ghosting presented when HDR kicks in (if you notice it) will please you all no end, I'm sure! ;)
 
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Ah, thank you for finding that. It sounds like I was right in theory but Apple isn’t making it so in practice.

The TechCrunch review (https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/19/review-iphone-8/) which is mostly about the camera says that HDR isn’t always on, but it is automatic when the phone determines it would be useful. So not every shot will be HDR but if you’re using the stock camera you don’t get to choose whether or not HDR will be used.

I highly recommend reading that TC review because it goes in depth into the camera and highlights features I didn’t know existed.

P.S. These reviews are making me VERY excited to get the 8 Plus on Friday, the camera should be a massive improvement over the one in my 7.

i found this review a bit fanboyish though.
 
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UPDATE (22/09/2017)

It turns out you actually can turn off the HDR feature that ships turned on by default on the iPhone 8 plus! Thank goodness for that!

James Martin, the senior photographer for CNET obviously didn't go into the settings to verify his claim that it couldn't be turned off. The guy set off some major panic for me, believing what he had written as the truth and dreading the resulting ghosting issues if I used the inbuilt camera app.

I'll provide a screenshot verifying this.

View attachment 719881

For what it's worth, I'll still use PureShot for 99% of my photographs I take with this iPhone 8 plus, as it allows me to save the photo's as RAW files, so as to be able to get the maximum out of them in Lightroom and Photoshop. But for the greater majority of you all, leaving things as they are, and occasionally cursing the ghosting presented when HDR kicks in (if you notice it) will please you all no end, I'm sure! ;)
Thank you for the update! I'm so glad to hear this!
 
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Phonzoxd

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Well im going to believe the one that said you can turn it off. Because if not then they are just straight up lying. The ones who says you can't may not be lying, they are just ignorant to the fact on how to turn it off.

UPDATE (22/09/2017)

It turns out you actually can turn off the HDR feature that ships turned on by default on the iPhone 8 plus! Thank goodness for that!

James Martin, the senior photographer for CNET obviously didn't go into the settings to verify his claim that it couldn't be turned off. The guy set off some major panic for me, believing what he had written as the truth and dreading the resulting ghosting issues if I used the inbuilt camera app.

I'll provide a screenshot verifying this.

View attachment 719881

For what it's worth, I'll still use PureShot for 99% of my photographs I take with this iPhone 8 plus, as it allows me to save the photo's as RAW files, so as to be able to get the maximum out of them in Lightroom and Photoshop. But for the greater majority of you all, leaving things as they are, and occasionally cursing the ghosting presented when HDR kicks in (if you notice it) will please you all no end, I'm sure! ;)

Yep, exactly as i predicted.

Most people don't know there is a settings menu for the camera in the settings application.

They just think all the setting are made within the camera app.
 
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