No it isn’t it doesn’t get shattered. I’m still running some albeit limited stuff on my iPad 2.
As opposed to having security homes the size of a moon crater? Being secure for a week is better than being insecure forever.
There is going to be a point in time when one has to accept old hardware is old.
-A device is either secure or it is not. A half-hearted measure which compromises everything for nothing isn’t enough for me to even hit settings, let alone the software update tab.
I don’t ascribe to the throw the baby out with the bath water school of thinking.
It’s functional and is unpatched for 7 years. Maybe less functional than a 6s on iOS 10.
Except gaping security vulnerabilities as noted previously.
We may have different definitions of compromise.
Being not secure for a second could ruin your life.
iOS 15 is more secure than iOS 10. There is no such thing as absolute security. But you don’t want the burglars to walk in the door.
-We have different definitions of compromise, and different performance expectations and requirements. If you call an iPad 2 on iOS 9 decently usable (functional implies usability, though correct me if I am mistaken), we have completely different expectations. It is so slow that it works best as a paperweight. I say that both about A5 devices on iOS 9, and about devices I have: the iPhone 5c on iOS 10 is unbearably slow, at least for me.
That's a true statement. Every consumer knows what they want out of computing devices and their tolerance towards less security.
You said decently usable. Does that definition imply bringing up websites on a 6s where the 6s chokes?
The 32 bit devices seem to be more sensitive to additional work loads.
Updating to an operating system 4 years newer is a mitigation even if it isn't the supported version. To wit, ios 12 has been getting security updates seemingly for the more egregious vulnerabilities.
You give up perceived performance to real security issues. To me real security issues have priority. But to each their own.
Or just make the determination to get an upgrade to your phone. I think the line in the sand is 5 years. Make no mistake, my i14PM runs rings around my xs max, but the max is still a good phone on ios 16.
In other words, bad locks on your door are better than no locks.
I guess there are different definitions of subjective things.
-It might imply that. Or it might not. Usability and tolerance is defined by what the user wants, needs, and tolerates from a device. Yes, it cannot access all websites. Yes, it cannot run all apps. But what it does run, it runs flawlessly. As the only main device (I have stated this repeatedly elsewhere), my 6s on iOS 10 is probably not that useful: the vast amount of apps it cannot run would be overwhelming for many. A 6s on iOS 15? Yeah, far more useful compatibility-wise. Thankfully, I can skirt around that requirement by using other devices. For what I use it, my thought process is simple: I’m not a heavy user. It is my second phone. Therefore, it gets all-day battery life for what I use it. The tasks I need it to perform, it performs them perfectly. Why would I needlessly sacrifice that? Would I like the app compatibility? Yes. Am I ready to lose 80% of the battery life and a lot of performance over them? Well, considering I can skirt around those requirements... no.
So running iMessage flawlessly means the usability is great?
Okay. You trade perceived battery life for efficiency and security.
Do you know how YOUR 6s would perform on a later iOS version? Not someone else’s’ 6s, but your 6s. You don’t, your making assumptions.
They do.
I traded my xr for an i14pm. If you don’t like the xr on the latest iOS version, we are galaxies apart on what is considered good battery life and great usability.
You made a choice. Imo, a bad one, but it’s your choice.
Battery life is easily mitigated. Poor security due to existing vulnerabilities isnt.
You could also promulgate an opinion cigarette smoking as safe. That doesn’t mean your views are inline with the majority.
The real defense is android. Depending on what is within your iphone you could be putting the well being of yours and others in danger by running an outdated operating system.
-Funnily enough, the keyboard lags on later versions of iOS (as early as iOS 13, and there’s a very slight and intermittent keyboard lag on my 9.7-inch iPad Pro on iOS 12), so yes!
This is anecdotal because I haven’t seen keyboard lag.
They are certainly subjective based in usage, unless you can point to some standardized tests.
Both the 6s on iOS 10 and iOS 13 have the Same battery health? Do the same things as in a controlled test?
As I said up until the i14pm was on the latest release. Wouldnt run a 4 year old operating system where multiple vulnerabilities have been patched over the years.
nonsense. Battery life that apple reports isn’t guaranteed. You don’t have to carry a power pack, but running out of juice is worse. I understand there are use case scenarios where an iPhone is barely used (like checking text messages once a day) that will lead to extraordinary battery life.
that’s the point. Objectively a 6 year old operating system is out of date. There is no subjectivity involved.
Sure and imo, there is no upside and all downside. Given you use multiple devices to get through the day, you play “musician chairs” with your iPhones. For me my time and digital safety is with something. Ymmv.
-On a Xs Max with an A12 Bionic? Probably not. On an A9 or A9X? The keyboard lag is definitely there. I’m not saying every device has keyboard lag, im saying A9 devices do. That said, the keyboard lag I get on iOS 12 can probably be dismissed as negligible on my 9.7-inch iPad Pro. The issue starts on iOS 13.
I can’t vouch or not for keyboard lag so I’m going to say it’s anecdotal. But there comes a time the useful life of consumer products is exceeded either because they work less than modern counterparts or there is more than a theoretical risk in using them.
No, it’s not. You’re promulgating a Rube Goldberg approach to using your phones to get the “best” battery life. Hard facts woul go a long way to back up your assertions.
Battery life should be irrelevant to an extent in 2023. I mean nobody 10 minutes of SOT as the benchmark, but if one expects 10 hours then one better make sure the conditions are 100% ideal.
I’ll take your anecdotal word for it.
Objectively they are very real factors.
Yes I deny it as a 100% verifiable statement across the board.
As I said you have your anecdotal opinion regarding this.
There is no agree to disagree. IOS 10 is a six year old unsupported operating system.
The 6s is good enough except when you have to browse the web and it chokes. You can do what you want, and it’s good to want to keep old hardware going, but subjectively you have to play games to figure out which iphone to use based on what you want to do.
For two reasons: one the battery is presumably stellar, and there aren’t any capabilities in the operating system that strain the cpu. Do less work get better battery life.
I can only guess why people update. I know why I update. New features, bug fixes and security patches.
-Yeah, it's highly likely that an A12 Bionic device doesn't have it, but A9 devices do, like I said.
I remember when I excitedly took delivery of my 6s, not plus, I never got the battery life that Apple was claiming. But I commuted to work and used the phone the entire time, signal wasn't great. With little usage, being at home near wifi the 6s was much better with battery life. So if you do more of things that sip less battery and less of the things that don't you will get good battery life.
I could never match Apple's battery life number, especially on LTE. It always fell far short. On Wi-Fi I was close once, but 99.9999% of the time, Apple's number was utopian. And you're right on this too: the iPhone 6s under heavy usage was never good. It always struggled. It is significantly better than the 5s, but it isn't good.
There is an element of objectivity to the second paragraph. A 6s on ios 15 will be more secure. Of course there are those who don't care about security or functionality and battery life is the end goal over usability and security. To each their own I suppose.
To each their own I guess is our conclusion: updating for me would render the 6s useless. I’d set it on fire before willingly updating it. I have and I like devices that work correctly, and if they don’t work correctly they’re useless to me and I don’t want them anymore. That is more important to me than perceived security, app compatibility, and features. I can have all that, but if the device does not work as I intend it to, then I don’t want it anymore. I’d willingly give up anything and everything for perfect performance and battery life. In fact, I do! As long as Apple keeps obliterating devices through iOS updates, there’s nothing updates can offer that’s enticing enough for me to willingly destroy my device’s functionality.
At this point apple likely will not change course. And of course you may want to set fire to the 6s anyway. People think they are impervious to hacking, until it happens to them. A six year going on seven old operating system is ripe to be hacked unless one uses it as a dumb phone. Sometimes luck is our savior.
I respect FeliApple’s position as a battery life and performance extremist but his use case is only applicable to 0.0001% of the population who are fixated/obsessed on the above and plan to use their devices until they stop working.
I honestly think this is a great description. I think it’s quite amusing, too! Thanks to both of you (@I7guy too) for the civil and interesting discussion.
I have an iPad Mini 5 which is on iPadOS 16 and it runs flawlessly. The A12 chip can still handle everything without lag or slowdowns. I regularly switch between my 13 and Mini 5 when at home and I don’t notice much of a difference between both systems. The only issue you will come across with your XR will be battery life related as the performance hit is pretty much imperceptible.
