Iphone / Laptop / wifi Radiation

[Shenaniganz08]

If you keep your phone by your bed as a alarm clock.
You will wake between 4-4.30am?

Remove phone you sleep! Wireless disturbed your sleep pattern, not letting you get into final sleep stage.

Phantom text message, Energy spikes.
Hundreds of tests conducted by phone sponsorship.

What the *** are you smoking man

You really have no idea how sleep works either. There is quite sleep, deep sleep and REM sleep, there is "no final sleep stage" you cycle between those stages about every 100 minutes.

It really sounds like you are running out of ideas, btw.. Should I get rid of my alarm clock because it wakes me up, or kick my girlfriend out of my bed because it wakes me up when she moves sometimes ?


I'm not sure of your background, but it sounds like you don't have any kind of scientific background/ know how to read scientific literature.

@Shenaniganz08: Sounds like you know the literature fairly well - perhaps you could point the OP to a meta-analysis. Surely somebody has looked at the research literature and calculated the pooled odds-ratio of an undetected health risk.

Well there are way too many confounding factors, but the biggest thing is that its pretty hard to measure "radiation" exposure from a phone, when the radiation is so minute that it doesn't cause any damage. As someone mentioned, Being outdoors will increase your risk for cancer more than using a cell phone.

The primary literature that the FCC based their claims on was done on cell plates that measured oxidation rates. Nothing was found except for reduced oxidation metabolism ( and only at 6 SAR ratings or higher).

The study concluded what most of us know or hypothesized in the scientific field: There is not ionization energy in phone radiation (below 1.6 SAR) needed to break the hydrogen bonds in DNA/RNA.

But for those who don't want to read

The fundamentals of thermodynamics and physics indicate that it is impossible for microwaves to disrupt the covalent bonds of DNA

 

[-aggie-]

What the *** are you smoking man

You really have no idea how sleep works either. There is quite sleep, deep sleep and REM sleep, there is "no final sleep stage" you cycle between those stages about every 100 minutes.

It really sounds like you are running out of ideas, btw.. Should I get rid of my alarm clock because it wakes me up, or kick my girlfriend out of my bed because it wakes me up when she moves sometimes ?


I'm not sure of your background, but it sounds like you don't have any kind of scientific background/ know how to read scientific literature.

Well there are way too many confounding factors, but the biggest thing is that its pretty hard to measure "radiation" exposure from a phone, when the radiation is so minute that it doesn't cause any damage. As someone mentioned, Being outdoors will increase your risk for cancer more than using a cell phone.

The primary literature that the FCC based their claims on was done on cell plates that measured oxidation rates. Nothing was found except for reduced oxidation metabolism ( and only at 6 SAR ratings or higher).

The study concluded what most of us know or hypothesized in the scientific field: There is not ionization energy in phone radiation (below 1.6 SAR) needed to break the hydrogen bonds in DNA/RNA.

But for those who don't want to read

The fundamentals of thermodynamics and physics indicate that it is impossible for microwaves to disrupt the covalent bonds of DNA

It seems like what was done by the FCC to set limits is pretty much how the ICRP set limits for radiation exposure. They actually see an improvement for cells at minute radiation levels (hysteresis), but decided politically that ANY radiation is bad. Then they set a maximum level that the public can get purely based on keeping radiation as low as "reasonably" achievable (500 rem and 200 rem for pregnant women), even though you can exceed that taking a intercontinental flight or living in Colorado.

So, with the OP they have some ridiculously low limit, an iPhone or other cell phone exceeds it, and he immediately assumes his brain is fried, and all the other BS he thinks up (waking up at 4-4:30????WTF).

I've had similar discussion with the OP in his other thread. Why he just doesn't keep posting in that one, I have no idea. You can show him all the reputable scientific literature, and he'll pull one quack study (which are usually trying to sell something to protect us from these cell phone "dangers") and run with it.

 

[ngenerator]

How exciting! I've been looking for someone to put on my "ignore list" since pcs are junk was banned

 

[Shenaniganz08]

Well one thing that I've learned ( been reading about this for a couple of hours)

is that it is a bit disconcerting how little funding there is for this kind of research

It does seem that cell phone companies have lobbied their weight to make sure that this kind of research doesn't get funding

They are probably scared that any bad results = bad phone sales


Currently there is no research that cell phones cause damage to a human

There are small studies that show, increased cell permeability, increased and decreased SINGLE STRAND DNA breaks ( much weaker than Double strand) but all of these studies are not conclusive

I'm done researching this, time to a nap

 

[VulchR]

This article pretty much sums it up: There's no need to panic, but we should be somewhat cautious until more information comes in:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2825185/