It not just because its price people buying it, many people still prefer small sized phones and 4" screens. The correct 4.7" form factor are to big to my taste, let alone the plus version and even the new X, but i dont mind if they'll increase the screen size as long as they'll keep the same size-shape-weight of the correct SE (maybe MiniX in the future...).
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iPhone SE (2016) iPhone SE 2 in 2018?
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It not just because its price people buying it, many people still prefer small sized phones and 4" screens. The correct 4.7" form factor are to big to my taste, let alone the plus version and even the new X, but i dont mind if they'll increase the screen size as long as they'll keep the same size-shape-weight of the correct SE (maybe MiniX in the future...).
I’m confused about your comment that Apple no longer sells the iPhone 7??:
http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7
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Their were no leaks of the iPhone 8 either until a month or two before it was announced, all we had were endless endless iPhone X leaks and rumours, no one cared about leaking anything else.
FWIW, I'd love an SE2 in the same form factor with better screen, iP7 specs, headphone jack and the same price points.
This would be the only iPhone that would make me give up my 7+. I have no desire for the latest and greatest (and most expensive iPhone); especially since I am not a power user and my needs are modest.
This would be the only iPhone that would make me give up my 7+. I have no desire for the latest and greatest (and most expensive iPhone); especially since I am not a power user and my needs are modest.
I agree completely.
The only reason I have an iPhone at all is because of the SE form factor.
Info was leaked by Kuo, it just wasn’t groundbreaking enough to get the attention of many people. But we knew it was coming. Right now, we have no credible SE2 rumors (Kuo or Bloomberg) at all.
Back in November 2016:
We look for new 2017F iPhones to come in three models: one OLED model, and two TFT-LCD models with 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch display. We believe the OLED and 5.5-inch TFT-LCD iPhones will feature dual-camera.
Our rationale is as follows: (1) the OLED model may trigger replacement demand among high-end users given its completely all-new-design form factor and notably superior specs in comparison to the TFT-LCD models; and (2) the new 4.7” iPhone, featuring glass casing and wireless charging, looks well positioned to tap replacement demand at the entry level.
The size of the SE is the primary reason those of us who love the SE love it.
For me, the SE is the only thing that's keeping me in Apple products, because I like having continuity of OS across my handhelds.
If Apple discontinues the SE, they'll likely lose my smartphone dollars and the money I spent on the 3 iPads I'm currently using. It just works doesn't work anymore, there are good options out there now.
If Apple blows off the SE and a Samsung or a Google gets smart and fills that slot, they'll get all of my handhelds dollars for every model iteration... those same dollars Apple has received for 10 years. It might be a smarter financial decision to embrace the SE owner than shun us.
For me, the SE is the only thing that's keeping me in Apple products, because I like having continuity of OS across my handhelds.
If Apple discontinues the SE, they'll likely lose my smartphone dollars and the money I spent on the 3 iPads I'm currently using. It just works doesn't work anymore, there are good options out there now.
If Apple blows off the SE and a Samsung or a Google gets smart and fills that slot, they'll get all of my handhelds dollars for every model iteration... those same dollars Apple has received for 10 years. It might be a smarter financial decision to embrace the SE owner than shun us.
With the SE, I think Apple rounds out all possible options, sizes and preferences for most people.
For every SE customer Apple loses, they probably quadruple their revenue with one iPhone X customer.
I'm sure people have voiced similar threats when Apple discontinued the iPhone 4 or the 11" MacBook Air or Touch ID. Holdouts aren't going to stop Apple.
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If there was a strong preference for 4", Apple would have released an SE update by now. We're 18+ months post-SE launch, not a single word or rumor. Major Android manufacturers would have released 4" if many people were buying it.
A lot of the posts here are "me, me, me" without looking at the general market preferences and the clear shift towards larger displays.
The data strongly suggests people buy SE because of price. iPhone 5s users outnumber SE which suggests people are holding on to their old phone, even though SE has several new features.
In comparison, iPhone 7 users outnumber 6s. And there are more 6s users than 6. The phones are not significantly different, but this is the normal trend.
iPhone 5 was an improvement over the 4 in almost every way. The moment I picked one up in the store I knew I wanted one because of the way it felt in the hand and it’s weight (was and still is the lightest iPhone). I have not felt that way about any other iPhone since then — all too heavy and the 6 feels like it’s ready to slide out of my hands at any time.
For every SE customer Apple loses, they probably quadruple their revenue with one iPhone X customer.
I'm sure people have voiced similar threats when Apple discontinued the iPhone 4 or the 11" MacBook Air or Touch ID. Holdouts aren't going to stop Apple.
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If there was a strong preference for 4", Apple would have released an SE update by now. We're 18+ months post-SE launch, not a single word or rumor. Major Android manufacturers would have released 4" if many people were buying it.
A lot of the posts here are "me, me, me" without looking at the general market preferences and the clear shift towards larger displays.
The data strongly suggests people buy SE because of price. iPhone 5s users outnumber SE which suggests people are holding on to their old phone, even though SE has several new features.
In comparison, iPhone 7 users outnumber 6s. And there are more 6s users than 6. The phones are not significantly different, but this is the normal trend.
I have a 5s. Bought outright within a month of release. I didn’t buy the SE because at the time that was released I had no problem at all with my 5s. I’m not a power user. If it can run Facebook, email and Safari okay that’s all I need. Maybe the odd photo too. Looking to upgrade now, primarily due to lack of storage, but also due to it being slower, and the SE now is old tech. The X I tried but couldn’t get on with (Face ID not reliable for me being the biggest issue, the size is bigger than I would really like too though I could live with it).
Right now I’m probably going to hang on to my 5s until the latest iOS no longer supports it... which was actually my intention when I bought it. I prefer this size as I can use it one-handed. I can’t use the X one-handed for sure, so suspect I also can’t use the 8/7/6 either. If Apple put the latest tech into a 4” form factor, I know I’d jump at it. The new touchscreen (3D touch?) is great and wireless charging I’d love too. I wonder how many of the 5s folk are holding out for a new 4” now before they upgrade.
I wonder how technically feasible it would be for Apple to take the current iPod Touch and insert the phone bits of an SE? That would make an awesome little phone! No need to change the screen and add Touch ID and all that jizz, just a basic small phone! Well I’d buy it anyway 
If they do decide to update it, don’t expect much more than a bump to an a10 or a11 chip and a newer camera module. They aren’t going to re-work the housing or components as that will drive costs up. There’s no room for a Taptic Engine, so no solid-state home button or 3D Touch, face ID is probably too expensive even if they can fit it in. Because of this, the lack of leaks might mean little...
An X-style OLED version could be called the SE X.
I have been using the SE for two years, and upgraded to the X. My wife still has the SE and it’s so harsh on my eyes now. I don’t know who I used it for so long. I love the form factor, but damn that screen needs updated.
Huh? One has nothing to do with the other.
If I quit Apple because they kill off the SE, they lose all of my revenue stream. There isn't some magical appearance of an alternate X buyer.
Sure it does. Apple's product stack is limited by the company's resources.
Apple can kill off SE and invest resources in manufacturing and marketing another product like low-cost iPhone 7c, 5.0" X, or 6.4" X Plus.
Just because Apple may lose your SE revenue doesn't mean they can't get it back with another, maybe even larger demographic.
Just wanted to echo the comments above...
I use the iPhone SE for one reason above ANY other reason.
The iPhone SE physical size is perfect.
I use the iPhone SE for one reason above ANY other reason.
The iPhone SE physical size is perfect.
At some point they should update the SE. All the HUGE iPhone geeks need to understand that not everyone wants a giant phone. The SE is the perfect size ergonomically.
I'm pretty confident they'll keep some form of SE going, as that India thing seems to be working out and a market where they want to hit lower price points.
My main concern is they will only look at the price point part and just start shoving iPhone 6's at that market and not realize that what many (probably most in the US) love about the SE is the size, not the price (side benefit).
I'd actually pay DOUBLE what I paid for the SE if I really had to.
It's the perfect tool for the job for me.
Please Apple - Please don't ruin it!!!
My main concern is they will only look at the price point part and just start shoving iPhone 6's at that market and not realize that what many (probably most in the US) love about the SE is the size, not the price (side benefit).
I'd actually pay DOUBLE what I paid for the SE if I really had to.
It's the perfect tool for the job for me.
Please Apple - Please don't ruin it!!!
Lol, Apple has $268 Billion in cash.
An SE update is not limited by anything other than a decision.
So they'll have 4.7", 5.0", 5.5", 5.8", and 6.4" phones?
Wasting time and money making new phones in every incremental size that are all too big for a segment of their consumer base who want the smaller form factor of a phone they're already tooled up to manufacture at much less cost than adding a smorgasbord of bigger and bigger sizes.
Yeah, that makes financial sense.
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Lol, Apple has $268 Billion in cash.
An SE update is not limited by anything other than a decision.
So they'll have 4.7", 5.0", 5.5", 5.8", and 6.4" phones?
Wasting time and money making new phones in every incremental size that are all too big for a segment of their consumer base who want the smaller form factor of a phone they're already tooled up to manufacture at much less cost than adding a smorgasbord of bigger and bigger sizes.
Yeah, that makes financial sense.
Having lots of cash is the result of careful spending. Those billions could be used to purchase other IP or technologies. It's pretty clear Apple decided not update the SE in 18+ months for a good reason.
I think your comment is typical of the "me, me, me" focus, without looking at market trends or adoption data presented above.
They didn't need to update it.
The SE has 6S guts running a lower resolution screen and is a powerhouse for its size.
Also, technically they did update it in 2017 with higher storage tiers.
I would also pay double for the SE than what I did.
Frankly, if mine is ever lost or broken, I'm just buying another one; I'm not upgrading to a newer and bigger phone.