iPhone SE 4 With Apple's Own 5G Modem 'Confirmed' to Launch in March

[jouster]

Yeah, I agree. Usually android has larger phones anyways, so, those that are angry can’t go to the competition.

Well, I guess we could go round and round. Do companies force people to buy large phones by restricting the availability of small phones? Or do they focus on big phones because people prefer them? I believe that the market is rational, and has selected the second of those options. And Apple has tried smaller phones in consecutive years and failed.

PoTAYto poTAHto.

 

[dan98]

However, unless it would sell enough to meet Apple’s revenue and margin targets, Apple should not make it.

This, in a nutshell is why Apple has stopped being anything special.
‘Think different’ is nothing more than a legacy concept for this company.

Now it's dead-eyed accountants punching market trends into a spreadsheet to produce the next spec bump.
Sad really.

 

[DaDaDeDe]

This, in a nutshell is why Apple has stopped being anything special.
‘Think different’ is nothing more than a legacy concept for this company.

Now it's dead-eyed accountants punching market trends into a spreadsheet to produce the next spec bump.
Sad really.

Sadly, this seems true. Apple would provide options for those who want something different. Under Cookie, they've simply copied Android in making phones and watches larger. There's nothing brilliant in design about this; it's straightforward market economics that pleases Wall Street funds. This is the opposite of what Steve ranted about when dealing with the Wall Street droogs, whereas Timmy loves it.

 

[DaDaDeDe]

Yeah, I agree. Usually android has larger phones anyways, so, those that are angry can’t go to the competition.

Indeed, many of us started out as Android users. As Android phones increased to phablet size, they also ditched the smaller options, meaning if we didn't want a new phablet, the only option was to go to Apple for an iPhone.

Unfortunately, Timmy took over the company, copied Android, and did precisely the same thing. Turn all the iPhones into phablets.

The criticisms you see here and the pushback by those who preach the market are precisely the same as what happened in the Android world: 'It's the market,' 'It's what people want,' etc.

The thing is, under Steve, Apple was a leader, not a follower; they set trends, not followed them.

If a trillion-dollar company once famed for its innovation can't occasionally deliver ONE smaller phone out of its entire lineup of phablets, then that says a lot about Apple under Timbo.

 

[minimo3]

Can’t wait for my 9” iPhone 20 base model and 12” Pro Max /s

 

[jlc1978]

The thing is, under Steve, Apple was a leader, not a follower; they set trends, not followed them.

While that is certainly true, that doesn't mean he would have made a smaller iPhone alongside larger models. One of the first things he did at Apple was kill a bunch of SKU's and rationalize the product line into a 4 square matrix: Consumer/Pro and Desktop/Portable.

Translate that into portable devices and you could very well have Consumer/Pro and Phone/Tablet with one mode in each. iPhone/iPhone Pro with one screen size, iPad Air and Pro. It is likely, however, given Job's dislike for larger phones, the iPhone would be smaller than it is today, with the iPad bing the device for people who wanted a larger screen portable devices.

I do suspect it would have gotten bigger simply because it went from a phone that you could do a few things on to a multi-purpose, multi-media device.

Steve realized the more choices you give a customer the more confused they get and the harder it is to decide which one to buy; and you increase the chance of buyer's remorse as they wonder if they "really should have bought the X instead..." Limiting choices makes it easy to decide which phone is right; because you only have a few choices and price points.

I could be wrong, but IIRC, Apple under Steve was not big on keeping older models around at lower price points.

 

[antonrg]

Can’t wait for my 9” iPhone 20 base model and 12” Pro Max /s

With 5 days battery and quadruple optical zoom lenses.

 

[huge_apple_fangirl]

Finally! Glad Apple’s modem is coming to fruition. Hopefully it comes to Ma.

 

[orangeadrenaline]

While that is certainly true, that doesn't mean he would have made a smaller iPhone alongside larger models.

iPod mini

 

[jlc1978]

iPod mini

Completely different device that could still have a decent size control wheel.

 

[Gotword]

They should bring back a mini model of the iPhone. I understand there might not be a need anymore in the world of large devices, but it was such a good size for so many getting their first iPhone!

Also I'm sure Apple can afford to keep a sku of a device that "doesn't sell enough" for those "just in case" people

The mini was the highest rated iphone in approval but since it was basically the same price as regular iphone ofc they sold more reg size, they should do a smaller run of minis for people who prefer that size. Give the mini all the features of the pro and charge the same price id buy it

 

[Gotword]

for EU they'll keep it though

It will be the only place left in 2 yrs with

IMO the minis did poorly commercially not so much because of the battery life but because of the poor price differentiation. $100 seperated the 13 mini from the 13.

I think a SE4 launched today as a functionally identical 13 mini at a $429 price point would likely move in much higher volume; even with the smaller screen and battery. But of course we already know that becase the SE3 already has a smaller screen and the SE range do sell reasonably well.

the se range is on the market for a way longer period of time then any other model, its sales numbers are skewed compared, the mini sales upticked once its price dropped to the se level at the end of its shelf days

 

[jlc1978]

The mini was the highest rated iphone in approval but since it was basically the same price as regular iphone ofc they sold more reg size, they should do a smaller run of minis for people who prefer that size.

That's the crux - sales would be too small to make it worthwhile; and if they priced it to keep the margins needed it would likely be more expensive than other models with the same or better specs.

Give the mini all the features of the pro and charge the same price id buy it

I'm not sure a mini at the pro price point will sell very well; I suspect many of the potential buyers aren't looking for teh pro features and would not want to pay a premium for features they don't value.