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iPhone 15/Plus iPhone USB-C loose - saw this coming
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Again, I'm asking for evidence of this. Did you read this in a book, do you have documents to this effect, do you work for the EU and have insider knowledge ?
"They picked it because it is SHIPPING. Shipping on nearly every major and minor electronic device in the world. It's already dominant. It's already ubiquitous. That's what makes it their choice."
And what's wrong with that exactly - I'm failing to see the problem here.
"The mere existence of this type of law prevents that from ever happening again. The EU's law has provisions for one day replacing or updating the mandate, but in typical clueless government fashion those provisions are near worthless as they don't take any of the realities of the technology or the marketplace into consideration. I hope this helps you better understand. This law is not forward thinking, at all."
Again what's the evidence for "typical clueless government fashion" - what's wrong with USB-C in your opinion, what WILL be wrong with its evolution in a few years (we know little about that so why assume). What will the "realities of the technology" be? What do you know that we don't know? Are you afraid the EU will propose a downgrade to USB2 in 5 years time due to their "typical clueless" stupidity - HIGHLY unlikely to be the case. The people who run these parts of the EU are actually technically competent people. I don't think it's the most amazing institution in the world either BUT then again I don't think that the tech industry is either - so pick your bad guy, at least I can vote for my bad guys with the EU. I have no hope of doing that for closed, ultra hierarchical tech corporations.
Overall, I feel like you say loads of "things" but you fail to go into serious evidential detail on any of them. Provide some reasoning and evidence on your claims and we might be able to get somewhere.
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They are just trying to be upset that a policy exists I think.
They are probably younger as they completely ignore my points of the history of USB. Also ignoring the reality that the technology industry settled on USB over 20 years ago and it is already the settled standard. With USB-C embracing alt modes we’re likely to see the few remaining connectors, like DisplayPort and HDMI, adopt the connector as well.
They forget that the back of a computer used to look like this when USB first came out.
And looks like this now.
If we’re lucky, USB-C as a physical connector will last as long as the Ethernet connector (RJ45) has as a physical connector.
Try reading. And stop ignoring the important points that are going over your head. Comments like this are offensive, frankly.They are just trying to be upset that a policy exists I think.
They are probably younger as they completely ignore my points of the history of USB. Also ignoring the reality that the technology industry settled on USB over 20 years ago and it is already the settled standard. With USB-C embracing alt modes we’re likely to see the few remaining connectors, like DisplayPort and HDMI, adopt the connector as well.
They forget that the back of a computer used to look like this when USB first came out.
And looks like this now.
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If we’re lucky, USB-C as a physical connector will last as long as the Ethernet connector (RJ45) has as a physical connector.
Dude, you're not even trying. You're purposely being obstinate, and there is no place for that here. I took the time to respond to you and ANSWER your questions, and they you play the game where you pretend your questions weren't answered, so that you can have another response.
Your questions were answered. Twice.
Now it is your turn to answer: EXPLAIN how a new standard to replace USB-C ever happens again, when it required free market adoption to prove that USB-C was a standard worthy of adoption (or worthy of a law requiring it in the first place). ANSWER that question.
You won't, because you can't, because there is no answer. The answer is can't. This law literally prevents this from ever happening again. People like you don't care about how this affects anything 5-10 years from now, so as long as you get your very short term consumer benefit.
What point am I missing?
You're consistently arguing that the EU rule somehow will block technical innovation because we're limited to USB-C. Except you haven't proven that the EU rule doesn't allow technical innovation. The EU specifically says it doesn't.
Source: EU Parliament
As I said earlier, this would likely fall within the scope of the USB-IF updating the USB interface specification to a new connector.
Since the USB-IF has been successful at pushing USB-C power delivery to 240W has shown the connector has a great deal of flexibility when it comes to charging devices like cell phones and laptops.
You should present evidence of your claims.
1. The EU law provides no room for adaptation.
2. Desire from the industry to create proprietary standards.
3. Compelling examples of proprietary standards that are not addressed by USB-C. Specifically for charging, as this directive covers.
Even for the devices Germain to this forum, Apple devices, I can't see a compelling reason to prefer Lightening over USB-C. The only reason is "I have lightening cables" and that's it. That ignores the limitations that lightening actually imposes on iPhones and the reality that it no longer is a useful connector. With USB-C PD going up to 240W that provides serious fast charging options for future iPhones and iPads as well. So it isn't even a good "charging" connector long term.
So, since you found my post offensive. Illuminate your points with more clarity.
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"But why male models?"
I have. 3 times. Enough already if you can't to refuse to read it.
It's funny that I think the exact same thing about you. I'm asking you direct questions, answering your points in every single post and a request for evidence of your claims and I just get "you're not even trying". I'm genuinely trying to see your point of view. If I'm not aware of something educate me - I'm here for an open and fruitful dialogue.
When you say the EU chose the standard just because it was shipping - where are the EU discussions that show this? Would you have found it logical for the EU to have chosen a closed proprietary port type which involved expensive licensing and making money for one company that owns the patents, when they need to get the approval of the majority of companies involved (of which the vast majority were in favour, just Apple were not).
It poses the next question - what is wrong with turning USB-C into an EU regulated standard as an already shipped and available connector type that has no licensing. Why bother demanding again another connector that's more "innovative" (whatever that means) when its already IN a few hundred million devices and is already very "innovative" in my opinion and the opinion of many in these forums (again subjective, I accept). Can I ask you, what connector type would you propose ? OR is your issue just with the fact that a government institution imposed something ?
"And the entire point is: it didn't become that because of the EU making laws....it happened because of the absence of such laws." What actually do you mean here? The mandate was proposed by the soft left group (Democrats and Socialists) 10 years ago. They wanted a law on this for environmental and consumer focused reasons. And because nothing existed before, of course there was an absence of law on this but isn't that normal ? It wasn't because lawmakers were just sitting staring out of the window with nothing to do.
"The mere existence of this type of law prevents that from ever happening again." What from ever happening again, the evolution of the specification, a new cable and port type ? That's plainly false. Before USB-C we had USB 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 and it stayed the same shape until the arrival of USB-C and it worked surprisingly well (except those awfully diabolical mini versions). The law does not say that this can never evolve, you know it well that the law can evolve if its necessary.
My question to you is - why should it ? Why will we necessarily need a new standard to replace it when it can clearly evolve and get faster and more powerful just like USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.2 etc. The protocol will be optimised, the hardware will improve, the timing chips will get better but I hope the connector type will remain the same for backwards compatibility. What innovation are you missing currently from USB-C that's in another cable, OR what are you predicting that you'll hypothetically need in say 5 years that USB-C won't give you? Your argument is entirely based on a fictional non existant future where USB-C never evolves, the protocol never gets faster, more powerful - which quite clearly it will, already 140Gbps transfers and 240W charging are already possible, which basically no-one really needs at the moment and undoubtedly those numbers will double again in time, and more than likely you'll have a new device to benefit from the latest speeds while the cable type will remain backwards-compatible. And who the hell says free-market adoption is the ONLY way to choose an adapter type - the market leaders will choose the cheapest, simplest to produce type, most profitable anyway - consumers will choose between price and performance and what we end up with is something mediocre, not the best connector type - even USB-C is not the best, its just very good and ironically cooperation in capitalism produced it, not competition (the USB working group of most tech companies is what gives us all USB standards - Apple, HP Inc., Intel Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, Renesas Electronics, STMicroelectronics et Texas Instruments). If you're an Ayn Rand type, I get why were not "getting on" but be clear in that straight from the top. If you're just pissed that a government institution imposed some laws because that's not your politics, then say it clearly. It's just your opinion that they'll eff it up or that USB-C will never evolve, that's all it is - your opinion.
And there is no stipulation whatsoever for future advancements in the law ? You know yourself that its not true.
"The EU's law has provisions for one day replacing or updating the mandate"... and everything after that is your own speculation of government incompetence and doing things in "typical clueless government fashion". I find it to be a damn good law.
Secondly, will we even need to consider entirely replacing it as it will evolve but hopefully stay in the same form factor? And if you think we'll need a totally new connector type - I ask you "why" ? We had USB-A,B for about fifteen years (designed in the free market by the free market companies getting together) and just for charging a phone or a laptop what will you want in 10 years - a graphene core fibre connector that carries 5Kw and transfers data at 5 terabits/s. USB-C will undoubtedly do that then.
When your response to that question is "why should it" then we have nothing left to discuss. Nothing.
This thread has gone completely off the rails.
“capitalistic talking points” - seems like we found the Bernie Sanders voter.
Guys, sorry to bring up this old thread, but I just bought the USB-C version of AirPod Pros and the USB-C port is just as loose as the one in my iPhone 15 Pro, so I think this is just by design. It has a nice solid click, but the cable wiggles around left, right, top and bottom.
Thanks for letting us know! Queue all the old arguments for Lightning versus USB-C. Let’s go through all this one more time 🤣
I have 3 official Apple 60W USB-C cables and they all wiggle the same. However, some other brand cables connect more tightly, but I also noticed that depending on the device itself, some ports are tight enough to make the Apple cables not wiggle.
Pity “just works” is not in Apple’s vocabulary anymore. I use third party cables for iPad, iPhone 13pm, AirPods 2 pro and to date, been pretty lucky with solid seating of cable to ports. On my MBP 2015, out the door it had one usb port that was a tad “loose” yet all other port (types) were just fine.
Hope you get some agreeable resolution.
I’m not looking for a fix. The ports work just fine. Just pointing out that it might just be the way things are and not really a defect or a flaw with USB-C itself.
The tightness of the connection is entirely variable, IMO. Some devices better. Some cables better. Not a good situation.