I think Apple will continue the XR trend to target a market of low cost price point buyers. XR is going to really sell well is what I predict. Apple will gouge the XS and XS Max market to make up for it.
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Not sure why anyone refers to the XR as a budget phone? The XR is positioned in the premium tier of the X series which is why it carries the name X.
7+
64/256 is $569/$699
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64/256 is $699/$849
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64/126/256 is $749/$799/$899
I got you. I just don’t class the XR as a budget phone by any stretch.
As I said - XR is budget compared to XS. By itself, its still a premium device. Let's not digress though - the point was, will Apple upgrade the display resolution to 1080p HDR but still using LCD and dual rear camera (if future X-version gets a triple camera system)?
No.
When OLED becomes cheap enough, XR will replace LCD with OLED. Updating LCD to 1080p or whatever is just unnecessary at this point. As much as I appreciated slight display improvements when I upgraded from 6S to 7 Plus, 3x scaling then downsample by 1.15 was a hack.
And likewise, when microLED launches and can be manufactured in sufficient quantity, XS will replace OLED with microLED.
I think XR will always have single front and single rear cameras, however, and rely on algorithms to improve quality and do other magic (similar to what Pixel is doing). Single front and rear cameras, coupled with cheaper screen, will help XR achieve mid-range price target.
Is it possible to use HDR LCD screen at the current 828 resolution? I am just trying to find areas where XR successor can become on par with current XS though Apple may choose to keep a clear distinction so as to keep X-version more appealing.
Just a wishful thinking, so apart from new A-series chip and improvements to camera what other areas can be expected to get an upgrade?
Just a wishful thinking, so apart from new A-series chip and improvements to camera what other areas can be expected to get an upgrade?
Lack of HDR is my biggest beef on XR's screen. LCD and resolution are insignificant compared to more dramatic improvement HDR offers.
Good HDR requires three things: bright display, wide color gamut, and local dimming. XR has bright display and wide color gamut. Local dimming allows LCD to apply different brightness level across different regions.
While it is possible to add local dimming with edge lit LCD that all smartphones with LCD use, edge lit local dimming is typically less effective. Some high-end LCD HDR TV with edge lit local dimming does very good job (e.g., Sony X930E), but I am guessing the component is probably too large for XR, which is already pushing the limits.
Seems like what apple did with the iPad mini. Release the lower resolution as a first gen, when Retina was widely available, and then release the retina a year later. I don't remember if the iPad mini's price was increased when released with a retina display? Would a 1080p display raise the price on the XR?
I assume they will keep offering it until the X line becomes cheap enough to offer at 'regular' iPhone flagship prices; at which point they will continue being offered while the new $1,000 iPhone will move into new high cost tech (Micro LED? Foldable screen?)
So HDR is not related to having a 1080p display?
New laptops are coming up with LCD HDR screens with 1080p and 4k resolution, so it's possible if Apple wants to implement it.
For the price, I am okay with 828p resolution on the phone-sized screen though having HDR would be a nice addition.
New laptops are coming up with LCD HDR screens with 1080p and 4k resolution, so it's possible if Apple wants to implement it.
For the price, I am okay with 828p resolution on the phone-sized screen though having HDR would be a nice addition.
1080p is pretty meaningless. iPhone XR can play 1080p or even 4K video just fine (after all, it can shoot 4K video). They are simply scaled down to 828p.
In fact, many people who upgraded their 1080p TV to 4K were underwhelmed, even when watching 4K video.
HDR, however, is a HUGE leap forward. Wirecutter published a very good article yesterday.
This is not an exaggeration when HDR is done right.
Good info. 4K was and still is underwhelming for me. When I saw HDR for the first time, it was like viewing TV for the first time. It's almost as if you can reach out and touch the scenery.
I’m aware that $749 is still expensive for a phone. By budget option I meant the lower cost option. That is why I put it in quotes.
sorry guys honestly i was just kidding, my badI myself loved Max but because of 64GB storage i returned it. If it has 128GB for $1099 i would have kept it. TBH Xs Max is the most beautiful iphone i have ever hold. Today getting XR 256GB i hope i like it like Max.
I like the xs max as well but it’s kinda cumbersome. I may end up switching to the xs. I will definitely miss the battery life.
The same thing didnt happen with the Xs in the UK. It didnt sell out and remained showing as available in the week leading up to release day. I think they have sent more stock to third party retailers this year.
What Most don’t factor, is the XR is massive in China. This phone was designed for their market and if I recall correctly, they were back ordered based off their pre-orders for the XR for all colors and storages.
I was at Apple today, was there 12noon, and surprisingly, no lines, store crowd nothing like the XS and XS Max. In fact, there were a lot of geniuses standing around without people to help. The late evening news even reported the XR had lackluster attention. I can't help but think people are just over Apple's pricing of these phones. I took a look at the XR, and even then, I just wanted to walk out of the store. I was detained, only because, one of the geniuses called tech support regarding my issue with my XS Max.
Have the Xr, phone fits my needs, and runs great. As it stands now, would have no problem going for one in the future.
I’m sure there will be another Xr this year. Apple have to offer a cheaper alternative to the Xs/Xs Max.
Just my opinion, but if Apple had put at least a 1080p screen in this years XR it would have eliminated a lot of the screen resolution naysayers. I have a Max but I really like my sons XR, the screen doesn't bother me in the least. I think it looks great. But by having a lower resolution, whether it affects usage or not, they opened themselves up to the "budget" talk. I don't view the XR as a budget phone at all, I just prefer the large OLED on the Max. Like members have posted above, I am also curious how the numbering system is going to go. Should be an interesting year.
I have a feeling they will continue to offer, at least in the short term, a new LCD phone option with the annual refresh. I also see the XR as a budget model. They’ve clearly made compromises in some areas (display resolution, camera, force touch, etc..) but have also emphasized other things (ie battery life, aesthetics, etc...). I have the XR and love it. I think they struck the right balance with the XR (ie price, functionality, aesthetics). I “think” Apple knows there is a large enough market of people like me to make it worth keeping a phone like the XR in the lineup.
I can see a successor to the iPhone XR, In my view i don't see it as a Budget iPhone model because of the price tag. I recently upgraded to the XR from an iPhone 7 Plus and i'm getting a much better and longer battery life and my apps open much faster than they did on the 7 Plus. I also do not see any difference in the display coming from a 7 Plus model.