iPhone iPhone XS on iOS12. Upgrade to iOS13.2.2?

[newellj]

Maybe they are on an every other ios update recovery schedule. 12 was supposed to smooth out 11’s messes with only few new features. I really had very few problems with it. 11 was a mess for me. So maybe 14 will be the one to smooth out the mess of 13.

As far as iOS goes, that seems to be the pattern. 9 I remember being quite rocky, but 10 was good. 11 was poor but not a disaster; 12 was really super. 13 so far is a train wreck (what can you say when the .1 beta is released before the .0 GM?). I have hopes for 14.

For soft- and hard-bricking of hardware, there is no excuse, and Catalina is an atrocity - neck and neck with Leopard, maybe worse.\

And this is clearly true, and was my real point (other than harping on the fact that once you go up, you ain't never comin' back):

I don’t think anyone can give a definite answer on that question. It might work fine for you, it might not.

 

[FlyingDutch]

iOS versions that have worked don't prompt the volume or breadth of reported problems, some of which are very serious. We know that Apple knows how to deliver operating systems that work. And it is very clear that iOS 13, iPadOS 13, HomePod's version of iOS 13 and Catalina are far below the standard that Apple is capable of.

Unless you think that non-functioning core native apps like Mail, Notes, Reminders and CarPlay is acceptable. Or iPads borked when they're upgraded. Or HomePods that are literally bricked. Or MacBooks with EFI firmware corrupted by Catalina, not to mention Catalina bugs too numerous to mention.

The bugs you are speaking about aren’t affecting everyone.
iOS 13 was released with timings dictated by marketing, for sure, but as of today it is usable and has many advantages over iOS 12.
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For almost 20 years my home has looked like an Apple Store. With the current software they have released I’m, for the first time, thinking about how I would go about weaning myself off their products altogether. It would cause me a lot of problems and not something I would really want to undertake so I’m waiting to see whether they can get it together. Before all this I would have never given a second thought to using another platform.

Alternatives? You meant Android and Windows?
Settling down for an inferior product won’t make you happier...

 

[newellj]

The bugs you are speaking about aren’t affecting everyone.
iOS 13 was released with timings dictated by marketing, for sure, but as of today it is usable and has many advantages over iOS 12.
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Alternatives? You meant Android and Windows?
Settling down for an inferior product won’t make you happier...

No one's saying that the bugs in 13 are universal, but they are affecting a meaningful number of users, and possibly more notably, affecting a meaningful spectrum of core functionalities. As a personal opinion, I think Apple (and everyone else*) should get off the annual update train. Let's deliver genuinely functional updates or new services rather than pushing beta or even alpha stage products out the door.

*My favorite icon for silly annual updates: Dyson cordless stick vacs. Do we *really* need annual model updates for a vacuum cleaner, really???

 

[FlyingDutch]

No one's saying that the bugs in 13 are universal, but they are affecting a meaningful number of users, and possibly more notably, affecting a meaningful spectrum of core functionalities. As a personal opinion, I think Apple (and everyone else*) should get off the annual update train. Let's deliver genuinely functional updates or new services rather than pushing beta or even alpha stage products out the door.

*My favorite icon for silly annual updates: Dyson cordless stick vacs. Do we *really* need annual model updates for a vacuum cleaner, really???

I could agree about that, especially for macOS.
for iOS I think they have to, due to new hardware introduced every year.

 

[Der Keyser]

I could agree about that, especially for macOS.
for iOS I think they have to, due to new hardware introduced every year.

no, it would take a very little patch to support new hardware on the existing IoS version

 

[newellj]

I could agree about that, especially for macOS.
for iOS I think they have to, due to new hardware introduced every year.

Yeah, I get that. I was thinking that as I was typing. But it's like a suicide pact, or the old doctrine of mutually assured destruction. I think Apple might actually have the market muscle-power (and I still think, the vision and backbone) to dare the Android set to take a step back.

But it probably wouldn't work. The Android environment operates on so much shorter horizons. There's a thread elsewhere about how great the 6S is in 2019. I'd guess there's NO Android phone from 2015 that's still supported, or usable in the real world.