Other iPhones Aren't Worth More Than $600 (To Me)

[Azathoth123]

I agree with a lot of the comments regarding phone OS. Android and iOS are operating systems, they’re neither good nor bad, they just do things when you ask (hopefully). The issues with the Pixel 3 seem to be mostly hardware issues, those can be fixed in future devices - if Google wants to, which brings me to one of my two gripes/concerns whatever.

One is does Google even want to compete with hardware? They’re an advertising company, and once they have a profile on everyone they want that suits them, it seems that they have little incentive to really push the whole hardware/software envelope - it isn’t their core business and seems like more of an afterthought. Same for the Play Store. Pixel really isn’t much of a player in terms of sales numbers, and that seems to be fine with the ad company.

Two, I find their business model a little creepy. When Google was ‘young’ maybe it was OK to trade some data for some services, but to have a company follow me around the internet cataloging everything I see and do gives me pause. I’m not good with this, but if you are that’s fine.

Add on slow or nonexistent OS upgrades/security patches for non-Google phones and the Android experience seems lacking in some key areas that are important to me.

Having said all that, I have a friend who is an IT professional, and a rather good one at that. He won’t use Apple devices personally because he disagrees with the ‘walled garden’ concept, though I assume that he could ‘unwall’ it with a developer’s license. He’s good enough to identify and mitigate any issues with Google/Android to his satisfaction and I admire him for that. But most people, including me, don’t have that kind of competence, and I don’t want to spend my time keeping an eye on Google or Samsung (which he does to a degree as a part of his job).

 

[dogslobber]

You can shop refurb iPhones for less than 500$. Nobody is twisting your arm to spend 600$ for a telephone.

 

[cracksoup]

I think it’s worth paying extra to have a phone that’s guaranteed security and OS updates for at least 4 years. My X is turning 2 soon and I’m not even thinking about letting it go. With recent updates, it’s even smoother than when I got it and bugs have gotten ironed out over time.

Not sure I’ll pay over $1000 for my next phone, but lucky me Apple have cheaper offerings these days.

Whereas the Mac is a completely different story. I think they have outpriced their computers to outrageous levels but that’s a different subject.

 

[Thai]

It makes sense seeing as there are multiple OEMs running Android and only one doing iOS.

There is fierce competition in every price point in Android, even if Samsung value their devices higher they have to be more conservative because OEMs like Huawei and Oppo are hot on their heels in many large markets.

The iPhone X had an impact in 2018 Androids but in 2019 most OEMS are trying to lose the notch and getting pretty creative about it, so that point is also not at all solid.

The OnePlus 7 Pro does not have a notch, neither does the Galaxy S10 or Note10, the Samsung’s opted for cut holes in the screens and OP7 opted for a pop up camera.

In terms of FaceID most OEMs once again moved away from this and most of them are doing Under Screen Fingerprint Readers, so that was also not much of a solid point.

We get that you hate Android from a distance, but please do not throw around blanket statements, most of your “facts” around features apply to 2018 devices not 2019/2020.

So, that is the excuse...competition on Android? Android OEMs don’t compete with Apple? In fact, Android controls some 80% of the market, doesn’t it?

Here’s the thing...at $1000 price point, how many Android OEMs play in this stratosphere? Samsung...and Huawei. LG? Nope. HTC? Nope. Moto? nope. 1+? Nope.

So, your excuse for Samsung Note 8 getting only $300 (FROM SAMSUNG own site) after 2 years is because Android have choices? MSRP i believe was $950 for the base Note 8. Now 1/3 the price!!

IPhone X was $999. Now worth $600 on trade-in on SAMSUNG site.

So, here’s the question...when will Note 8 get Android Q?? Android Q will come to Note 9 in March 2020. When do you think Note 8 get it?? And that will likely be the LAST major OS update Note 8 get in its life.

IPhone X will get every major software update until at least 2022.


How much is your Huawei worth now??? And if USA ban becomes permanent, then Huawei will be bankrupt within 1-2 years...and there goes that after-sale support. Paper weight.

It is interesting that you focus on 2019 and not last year. So, just focus on things that favor your argument? You make it sound that 2018 was like 30 years ago!

Well, FaceID has been complicated to install on Android because Android software did not support it natively.......now in Q, Android finally has native support.......and VOILA, Pixel 4 has FaceID.

And look at Android Q.....it is basically iOS in the early stages! Same restrictions. Same limitations. You need to read up on Q before commenting further.
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Unreal. Anyone can post links to Android/iOS why it’s ‘not a good choice’ or ‘no one likes this android phone....’ ect, ect.......

All that matters, is what someone prefers in with what operating system they choose, _most_ of the hardware from Apple and its competitors is very good. And all hardware has it’s own store of issues, which includes the iPhone. Tech isn’t perfect and never will be.

So, backing up what i said with actual facts is not good in your book? LOL. Classic Relentless. But hey, i am sure that you will misinterpret this post.

Sure, no one is perfect...no one is saying that. WTF are you even talking about?! But certainly, one has more issue than the other. And this is why resale value or public perception of value is important.

 

[teknikal90]

It’s not my quotes...it’s from prominent Android editors that wrote those things. It is not just hate mail if the resale value of Android is just horrible...which reflects their perceived value to the general masses.

Android phones pushing what? Heck your old iPhone X created how much of a stir in Android world?! The X brought notches galore to Android. The FaceID is making huge waves where Android OEMs are stepping on each other trying to copy it. I kinda want to say that X has had a HUGE impact on Android much more so than the other way around.

Sure, there are minor software similarities between iOS and Android........but isn’t the next Android OS (Q) rumored to be especially restrictive......going the way of iOS?

Your S10 is almost 2 years newer than your old X....1.5 years? I certainly hope that it feels “more pleasant”.......but here’s the thing........according to SAMSUNG itself, your S10 is worth the same value as iPhone X (2017) if you trade it in for Note 10...both are worth $600 in trade-in value.

THINK about that...this is from SAMSUNG, not a 3rd party. A phone that is 2 years old is worth the same as a phone that is 6 month old. Kinda suck on your end, doesn’t it? (In comparison, Note 8 which came out same time as your old X is worth HALF that!). Even Samsung doesn’t think that its own phone is worth much!! LOL

While iPhone X will get every major software update for 5+ years, your S10 will get maybe 2 at most (Q and R)...and then it becomes an outdated piece of junk...with zero resale value.

These are facts.

EDIT: oh, Pixel 2 (came out same time as X) is worth $300. So basically, the two top Android flagships of 2017 are worth half of iPhone X......according to SAMSUNG.

And according to them, NO OTHER ANDROID IS WORTH A DAMN. LG...not even on the list. HTC? they dead yet? Hello Moto? Goodbye Moto. NONE of the other Android is worth a damn penny according to Samsung!

Here is the link to trade in for Note 10: https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-note10/buy/

all I’m saying is it’s a stretch to say “how crap it is on the Android side” especially coming from someone who’s never ever used a proper android phone.

A phones resale value is only one thing.

 

[Thai]

all I’m saying is it’s a stretch to say “how crap it is on the Android side” especially coming from someone who’s never ever used a proper android phone.

A phones resale value is only one thing.

Note 5 says hi.

Ok...

 

[The Game 161]

Resale value has always been bad with android devices and why Samsung offer trade in deals as the value does go down quickly

I mean I bought the S10 plus for £1,099 and I could only sell it for I think £550 and that was only a few months after release. Epic fail by me for trying to leave the Apple ecosystem as I was back very quickly

 

[Thai]

Resale value has always been bad with android devices and why Samsung offer trade in deals as the value does go down quickly

I mean I bought the S10 plus for £1,099 and I could only sell it for I think £550 and that was only a few months after release. Epic fail by me for trying to leave the Apple ecosystem as I was back very quickly

Wait 6 more months and it will be 300-400.

I agree with a lot of the comments regarding phone OS. Android and iOS are operating systems, they’re neither good nor bad, they just do things when you ask (hopefully). The issues with the Pixel 3 seem to be mostly hardware issues, those can be fixed in future devices - if Google wants to, which brings me to one of my two gripes/concerns whatever.

One is does Google even want to compete with hardware? They’re an advertising company, and once they have a profile on everyone they want that suits them, it seems that they have little incentive to really push the whole hardware/software envelope - it isn’t their core business and seems like more of an afterthought. Same for the Play Store. Pixel really isn’t much of a player in terms of sales numbers, and that seems to be fine with the ad company.

Two, I find their business model a little creepy. When Google was ‘young’ maybe it was OK to trade some data for some services, but to have a company follow me around the internet cataloging everything I see and do gives me pause. I’m not good with this, but if you are that’s fine.

Add on slow or nonexistent OS upgrades/security patches for non-Google phones and the Android experience seems lacking in some key areas that are important to me.

Having said all that, I have a friend who is an IT professional, and a rather good one at that. He won’t use Apple devices personally because he disagrees with the ‘walled garden’ concept, though I assume that he could ‘unwall’ it with a developer’s license. He’s good enough to identify and mitigate any issues with Google/Android to his satisfaction and I admire him for that. But most people, including me, don’t have that kind of competence, and I don’t want to spend my time keeping an eye on Google or Samsung (which he does to a degree as a part of his job).

your IT guy.......he needs to read Android Q......it is as walled as iOS has become.....in fact, in some cases, Apple is far less restrictive.

Unfortunately, even some IT guys know very little about mobile tech...at least in my experience.

As for Pixel...Google is VERY serious about it. They even tout it in their quarter financial report to investors!!

The problem is that EVERY Pixel to date has had major hardware issues or failures...even dating back to Nexus days.
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all I’m saying is it’s a stretch to say “how crap it is on the Android side” especially coming from someone who’s never ever used a proper android phone.

A phones resale value is only one thing.

Well, if you want to change the wallpaper to a one where fishes swim across the display, then Android is da bomb!

 

[Tsepz]

So, that is the excuse...competition on Android? Android OEMs don’t compete with Apple? In fact, Android controls some 80% of the market, doesn’t it?

Here’s the thing...at $1000 price point, how many Android OEMs play in this stratosphere? Samsung...and Huawei. LG? Nope. HTC? Nope. Moto? nope. 1+? Nope.

So, your excuse for Samsung Note 8 getting only $300 (FROM SAMSUNG own site) after 2 years is because Android have choices? MSRP i believe was $950 for the base Note 8. Now 1/3 the price!!

IPhone X was $999. Now worth $600 on trade-in on SAMSUNG site.

So, here’s the question...when will Note 8 get Android Q?? Android Q will come to Note 9 in March 2020. When do you think Note 8 get it?? And that will likely be the LAST major OS update Note 8 get in its life.

IPhone X will get every major software update until at least 2022.


How much is your Huawei worth now??? And if USA ban becomes permanent, then Huawei will be bankrupt within 1-2 years...and there goes that after-sale support. Paper weight.

It is interesting that you focus on 2019 and not last year. So, just focus on things that favor your argument? You make it sound that 2018 was like 30 years ago!

Well, FaceID has been complicated to install on Android because Android software did not support it natively.......now in Q, Android finally has native support.......and VOILA, Pixel 4 has FaceID.

And look at Android Q.....it is basically iOS in the early stages! Same restrictions. Same limitations. You need to read up on Q before commenting further.
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So, backing up what i said with actual facts is not good in your book? LOL. Classic Relentless. But hey, i am sure that you will misinterpret this post.

Sure, no one is perfect...no one is saying that. WTF are you even talking about?! But certainly, one has more issue than the other. And this is why resale value or public perception of value is important.

1. It does not matter how many Androids play at the $1000 price point, you act as if people take $1000 to go buy a phone and will only buy at that MSRP, maybe that’s how you work, most other people will get what suits them for the best money.

$1000 Androids DO NOT just compete with $1000 Androids they also compete with countless older flagships that are a year or 2 older and half the price, so YES, competition is seriously fierce in Android, especially if people can get a Note8 for $300 as you says vs buying a Note10 for +$1000, because the question they will ask is what does the one have over the other that they need and most times there is not much between them, so a Note8 or Note9 becomes a viable option. Your own argument is actually proof to the fact that Android has a great deal of competition in itself, you are just too blind to the fact you’ve actually done a fantastic job laying out my argument buddy!

So yes, someone will shop for a new phone, they see the Note10 but it’s +$1000 so they look for another Note or other Android and BOOM, there is a Note9 for far less or Note8 for even less, then they look at LG, HTC etc... and they simply pick hat fits them best.

2. Who knows when the Note8 will get its last update and who cares? You yourself said Android has about 80% of the market, so clearly there are plenty who don’t know and don’t care how long their phone will get updates, so your argument falls flat here.

3.Not sure how much my Huawei is worth, could not careless either I do not have to trade my phones when I buy a new one, I simply give the old one away, when I finish with my iPhone XS Max I will give it to someone, no need to stress about silly things like the resale of a phone, it’s not a house.
P30 Pro is an existing Android so it will not lose support, EMUI10 with Android Q is already ready for it, will be running the latest beta pretty soon, your argument falls flat here again. Highly doubt Huawei will go bankrupt considering how many other countries they are in and in 1-2 years I’ll have 1-2 more new phones anyway bud.

4. I don’t need to read up on Android Q as I have used it, no it’s not iOS buddy last I checked it retains many Android features and adds some features that Samsun and Huawei have had in their devices for years, along with more permissions settings and so on. Maybe you should use the thing before talking.

5. I focus on 2019 because we are in 2019 and it’s clear most Android OEMs are trying to move on from the notch, why would I bother looking at 2018 when we already have plenty 2019 devices as examples. You make absolutely not a single bit of sense with this one.

6. FaceID was implemented by Huawei in the Mate 20 Pro long ago, using the same setup as iPhone, so it seems it really was not that difficult for Android OEMs to do it, but with In-screen Fingerprint Readers it became less necessary for OEMs to do it.
Glad Google is adding FaceID to Pixel, barely anyone buys Pixels anyway so, I hope that adds something to them that’s worth buying them for.

 

[Shirasaki]

How much is your Huawei worth now??? And if USA ban becomes permanent, then Huawei will be bankrupt within 1-2 years...and there goes that after-sale support. Paper weight.

You vastly underestimate how Chinese government can save Huawei at every turn possible. And no, even if nobody outside China stops buying Huawei, they will be fine just as before.
As of the rest of your points, I’d say they are just weird. And focusing on price alone? And why android Q is attempting to wall the garden? Because iOS walled garden approach looks super great in Google’s eyes. Now google wants to play catch-up.

 

[Azathoth123]

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As for Pixel...Google is VERY serious about it. They even tout it in their quarter financial report to investors!!

The problem is that EVERY Pixel to date has had major hardware issues or failures...even dating back to Nexus days.
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These two statements are inconsistent IMO.

Agree about Q!

 

[Thai]

You vastly underestimate how Chinese government can save Huawei at every turn possible. And no, even if nobody outside China stops buying Huawei, they will be fine just as before.
As of the rest of your points, I’d say they are just weird. And focusing on price alone? And why android Q is attempting to wall the garden? Because iOS walled garden approach looks super great in Google’s eyes. Now google wants to play catch-up.

Underestimate? Nope. Think about it...if the ban continues or worsens, Huawei has no access to American tech and American companies.

No Google. No Gmail. No Search. No Maps. No Android. No Youtube. But this is expected, right?

But how about...no Facebook, no Twitter, no Snap, no Amazon, no eBay, no PayPal, no Netflix, Etc.

But that’s not all folks...you also get...no Intel (for PC processor), no Windows, no Chrome, no Qualcomm (but they don’t use QC much anyways), Etc.

Basically, anything that originates from USA will be banned or out of reach of Huawei.

So, outside of China, who in their right mind would get a Huawei phone? No one. Sure, inside China, people still buy Huawei....but how do you think the company will survive? Inside China, it is facing a ton of competition from cheaper brands.

IF the ban continues or worsens (zero certification allowed going forward, which can happen), Huawei will be bankrupt within 1-2 years.

Just look at their recent investor financial report...their profits plummeted and the ban was not even in full effect for that quarter.
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You vastly underestimate how Chinese government can save Huawei at every turn possible. And no, even if nobody outside China stops buying Huawei, they will be fine just as before.
As of the rest of your points, I’d say they are just weird. And focusing on price alone? And why android Q is attempting to wall the garden? Because iOS walled garden approach looks super great in Google’s eyes. Now google wants to play catch-up.

Underestimate? Nope. Think about it...if the ban continues or worsens, Huawei has no access to American tech and American companies.

No Google. No Gmail. No Search. No Maps. No Android. No Youtube. But this is expected, right?

But how about...no Facebook, no Twitter, no Snap, no Amazon, no eBay, no PayPal, no Netflix, Etc.

But that’s not all folks...you also get...no Intel (for PC processor), no Windows, no Chrome, no Qualcomm (but they don’t use QC much anyways), Etc.

Basically, anything that originates from USA will be banned or out of reach of Huawei.

So, outside of China, who in their right mind would get a Huawei phone? No one. Sure, inside China, people still buy Huawei....but how do you think the company will survive? Inside China, it is facing a ton of competition from cheaper brands.

IF the ban continues or worsens (zero certification allowed going forward, which can happen), Huawei will be bankrupt within 1-2 years.

Just look at their recent investor financial report...their profits plummeted and the ban was not even in full effect for that quarter.

 

[MarkX]

Underestimate? Nope. Think about it...if the ban continues or worsens, Huawei has no access to American tech and American companies.

No Google. No Gmail. No Search. No Maps. No Android. No Youtube. But this is expected, right?

But how about...no Facebook, no Twitter, no Snap, no Amazon, no eBay, no PayPal, no Netflix, Etc.

But that’s not all folks...you also get...no Intel (for PC processor), no Windows, no Chrome, no Qualcomm (but they don’t use QC much anyways), Etc.

Basically, anything that originates from USA will be banned or out of reach of Huawei.

So, outside of China, who in their right mind would get a Huawei phone? No one. Sure, inside China, people still buy Huawei....but how do you think the company will survive? Inside China, it is facing a ton of competition from cheaper brands.

IF the ban continues or worsens (zero certification allowed going forward, which can happen), Huawei will be bankrupt within 1-2 years.

Just look at their recent investor financial report...their profits plummeted and the ban was not even in full effect for that quarter.
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Underestimate? Nope. Think about it...if the ban continues or worsens, Huawei has no access to American tech and American companies.

No Google. No Gmail. No Search. No Maps. No Android. No Youtube. But this is expected, right?

But how about...no Facebook, no Twitter, no Snap, no Amazon, no eBay, no PayPal, no Netflix, Etc.

But that’s not all folks...you also get...no Intel (for PC processor), no Windows, no Chrome, no Qualcomm (but they don’t use QC much anyways), Etc.

Basically, anything that originates from USA will be banned or out of reach of Huawei.

So, outside of China, who in their right mind would get a Huawei phone? No one. Sure, inside China, people still buy Huawei....but how do you think the company will survive? Inside China, it is facing a ton of competition from cheaper brands.

IF the ban continues or worsens (zero certification allowed going forward, which can happen), Huawei will be bankrupt within 1-2 years.

Just look at their recent investor financial report...their profits plummeted and the ban was not even in full effect for that quarter.

You do realise that Huawei don’t just make phones right?

 

[Thai]

1. It does not matter how many Androids play at the $1000 price point, you act as if people take $1000 to go buy a phone and will only buy at that MSRP, maybe that’s how you work, most other people will get what suits them for the best money.

$1000 Androids DO NOT just compete with $1000 Androids they also compete with countless older flagships that are a year or 2 older and half the price, so YES, competition is seriously fierce in Android, especially if people can get a Note8 for $300 as you says vs buying a Note10 for +$1000, because the question they will ask is what does the one have over the other that they need and most times there is not much between them, so a Note8 or Note9 becomes a viable option. Your own argument is actually proof to the fact that Android has a great deal of competition in itself, you are just too blind to the fact you’ve actually done a fantastic job laying out my argument buddy!

So yes, someone will shop for a new phone, they see the Note10 but it’s +$1000 so they look for another Note or other Android and BOOM, there is a Note9 for far less or Note8 for even less, then they look at LG, HTC etc... and they simply pick hat fits them best.

2. Who knows when the Note8 will get its last update and who cares? You yourself said Android has about 80% of the market, so clearly there are plenty who don’t know and don’t care how long their phone will get updates, so your argument falls flat here.

3.Not sure how much my Huawei is worth, could not careless either I do not have to trade my phones when I buy a new one, I simply give the old one away, when I finish with my iPhone XS Max I will give it to someone, no need to stress about silly things like the resale of a phone, it’s not a house.
P30 Pro is an existing Android so it will not lose support, EMUI10 with Android Q is already ready for it, will be running the latest beta pretty soon, your argument falls flat here again. Highly doubt Huawei will go bankrupt considering how many other countries they are in and in 1-2 years I’ll have 1-2 more new phones anyway bud.

4. I don’t need to read up on Android Q as I have used it, no it’s not iOS buddy last I checked it retains many Android features and adds some features that Samsun and Huawei have had in their devices for years, along with more permissions settings and so on. Maybe you should use the thing before talking.

5. I focus on 2019 because we are in 2019 and it’s clear most Android OEMs are trying to move on from the notch, why would I bother looking at 2018 when we already have plenty 2019 devices as examples. You make absolutely not a single bit of sense with this one.

6. FaceID was implemented by Huawei in the Mate 20 Pro long ago, using the same setup as iPhone, so it seems it really was not that difficult for Android OEMs to do it, but with In-screen Fingerprint Readers it became less necessary for OEMs to do it.
Glad Google is adding FaceID to Pixel, barely anyone buys Pixels anyway so, I hope that adds something to them that’s worth buying them for.

Wow...long post.

1. Doesn’t Apple also offer cheaper alternatives? Older iphones? Yup. XR? Yup. Refurbished Units directly from Apple? Yup. Got that covered too. Your argument goes down the drain fast, no?!

Yet, the iPhone X from 2 years ago is worth $600...per Samsung.

Yet, the Samsung Note 8 from 2 years ago is worth $300...per Samsung. Clearly, Samsung doesn’t think much of it’s own flagship 2 years later.

2. Android 80% because of the range of prices they cover. In poorer countries, Android is there because there are cheap as heck brands running Android.

You’re right...they don’t care much when you have throw-away phones. Literally, throw aways...and most of them have malware in them...but that’s another story for another time.

But those folks with throw-away phones also do NOT invest in the ecosystem. And this is why DEVELOPERS prefer iOS.

3. Read my post above this regarding Huawei future. Huawei P30P getting Q will likely be its last because Huawei has a poor history of support on older devices.

4. Android Q...sure buddy. It is very restrictive. In fact, in some ways, it is getting worst than iOS.

EXAMPLE: https://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/bh6evy/google_needs_to_inform_users_of_reduction_in/

5. History of iOS and Android did not start 2019. FYI.

6. Huawei Mate 20 Pro implementation was apparently easily fooled by coworkers. FYI.

Optical In-screen FPS you say? Like how easy it is to bypass it with Elmer’s glue? Or that it causes BURN-in?

Or US in-screen FPS that is difficult to use?

No wonder Pixel 4 went with FaceID!

 

[apolloa]

If Apple do launch a new SE, based on the iPhone 8 with an A12 CPU, water resistant, stereo speakers, solid state Touch ID, wireless charging and the camera from the XR. Price it at 600 or less and it’ll fly off the shelf’s! The iPhone 8 has all these things bar the A12 CPU and XRs camera.

To me the 6S has always felt more of the future then my XR does. Mainly because of its really svelte design.

 

[teknikal90]

If Apple do launch a new SE, based on the iPhone 8 with an A12 CPU, water resistant, stereo speakers, solid state Touch ID, wireless charging and the camera from the XR. Price it at 600 or less and it’ll fly off the shelf’s! The iPhone 8 has all these things bar the A12 CPU and XRs camera.

To me the 6S has always felt more of the future then my XR does. Mainly because of its really svelte design.

It’s just that phone design has gone less and less, as the screen to body ratio increases over the years.
Hold an iPhone 4s, you’ll be blown away again by how good it looks and feels

 

[Nacho98]

Hold an iPhone 4s, you’ll be blown away again by how comically hideous the bezels are on a pre-iPhone 5 phone

fixed

 

[Emtbill]

If Apple do launch a new SE, based on the iPhone 8 with an A12 CPU, water resistant, stereo speakers, solid state Touch ID, wireless charging and the camera from the XR. Price it at 600 or less and it’ll fly off the shelf’s! The iPhone 8 has all these things bar the A12 CPU and XRs camera.

To me the 6S has always felt more of the future then my XR does. Mainly because of its really svelte design.

Agree with 6s it was a great design, but really like my Xr, its a great device. haven't had any regrets.

 

[lordofthereef]

I'm at a point where I've fully resigned myself to not getting flagships anymore.

I spent the $1k on the X two years ago and could very well still be using the 6s plus I gave up for it (though it would've needed s fresh battery). That device was $750, and I felt that was high. But I personally feel like it was the best phone Apple put out to date in terms of features to price, and ticking off every box of my needs.

The X I bought two years ago will have depreciated $500+ By the time this next phone hits. To some, that's reasonable. To me, it just isn't. I'll likely end up going refurbished on s few generations old devices or just buy used and save even more.

I used to be the guy that bought a new phone every year, Up until the 6s line anyway. But things change I guess.

Edit: why did this become a "I must prove Android is inferior" thread? Is it not ok to feel phones are expensive today without people white knighting for Apple? Seriously didn't take the original post to be specifically anti Apple or praising of android.

 

[Wide opeN]

I'm at a point where I've fully resigned myself to not getting flagships anymore.

I spent the $1k on the X two years ago and could very well still be using the 6s plus I gave up for it (though it would've needed s fresh battery). That device was $750, and I felt that was high. But I personally feel like it was the best phone Apple put out to date in terms of features to price, and ticking off every box of my needs.

The X I bought two years ago will have depreciated $500+ By the time this next phone hits. To some, that's reasonable. To me, it just isn't. I'll likely end up going refurbished on s few generations old devices or just buy used and save even more.

I used to be the guy that bought a new phone every year, Up until the 6s line anyway. But things change I guess.

Edit: why did this become a "I must prove Android is inferior" thread? Is it not ok to feel phones are expensive today without people white knighting for Apple? Seriously didn't take the original post to be specifically anti Apple or praising of android.

You bring up a good point. What is an acceptable depreciation rate!?

Like in your guys opinion, what do you think Xs and Xs Max should rightfully sell for now. I'll go first, I'd say my Xs Max 256GB right now, I wouldn't accept any less than $850 - $900.

So $400 per year, that would put it at 3 years of usage to get my money's worth. And that's exactly what I plan on doing going forward.

The smartphone game is getting ugly and out of hand.

 

[Tsepz]

Wow...long post.

1. Doesn’t Apple also offer cheaper alternatives? Older iphones? Yup. XR? Yup. Refurbished Units directly from Apple? Yup. Got that covered too. Your argument goes down the drain fast, no?!

Yet, the iPhone X from 2 years ago is worth $600...per Samsung.

Yet, the Samsung Note 8 from 2 years ago is worth $300...per Samsung. Clearly, Samsung doesn’t think much of it’s own flagship 2 years later.

2. Android 80% because of the range of prices they cover. In poorer countries, Android is there because there are cheap as heck brands running Android.

You’re right...they don’t care much when you have throw-away phones. Literally, throw aways...and most of them have malware in them...but that’s another story for another time.

But those folks with throw-away phones also do NOT invest in the ecosystem. And this is why DEVELOPERS prefer iOS.

3. Read my post above this regarding Huawei future. Huawei P30P getting Q will likely be its last because Huawei has a poor history of support on older devices.

4. Android Q...sure buddy. It is very restrictive. In fact, in some ways, it is getting worst than iOS.

EXAMPLE: https://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/bh6evy/google_needs_to_inform_users_of_reduction_in/

5. History of iOS and Android did not start 2019. FYI.

6. Huawei Mate 20 Pro implementation was apparently easily fooled by coworkers. FYI.

Optical In-screen FPS you say? Like how easy it is to bypass it with Elmer’s glue? Or that it causes BURN-in?

Or US in-screen FPS that is difficult to use?

No wonder Pixel 4 went with FaceID!

1. Apple alternatives are not as vast as Androids, like you said, there are tons of brands, so again, my point stands.

2. You talk about poorer countries and in the same breath talk about “throw away phones”, because someone who is poor will see their main means of contact/Connectivity a throw away product? Very hard to take you seriously here bud, you’re argument is flawed.
In terms of Developers - your argument falls apart in your “poor countries” where Android is the main focus for developers. It’s all down to what is most popular in a particular region. I am still waiting for a Digital banking app from a digital bank that recently launched locally, they focused on Android as that is the market leader and delayed the iOS app.

3. Lol, last I checked The Huawei P20 Pro is getting Android Q, so I doubt the P30 Pro will be left on Q, once again your poor arguments and poor facts let you down here.

4. Your link does not say much about how 3rd party OEMs can get around this, from what I have seen in Q, it’s mostly still the same and OEMs will find away around it, especially large ones like Samsung and Huawei who build their own infrastructure within Android, so thanks for nothing.

First use Android Q then get back to me when you have actual experience and not endless links that barely cover the full spectrum.

5. We are not looking at history we are looking at the current market, FYI.

6. FaceID was hacked, so what’s your point?

7. There are two different In-screen Fingerprint Readers, Optical and Ultrasonic, FYI. Have not had burn-in on my P30 Pro or Mate 20 Pro.
Barely anyone buys Pixel, so who cares they went FaceID, the Android OEMs that matter are mostly using In-Screen.

 

[apolloa]

Agree with 6s it was a great design, but really like my Xr, its a great device. haven't had any regrets.

I don’t know what I want, I do prefer smaller phones but don’t like spending a grand on one and I like zoomed screen mode.. may have to wait and seen what they do with this rumoured 5.4” model next year..
If the XS had zoomed screen mode I’d buy it when the price drops.

 

[Tsepz]

I'm at a point where I've fully resigned myself to not getting flagships anymore.

I spent the $1k on the X two years ago and could very well still be using the 6s plus I gave up for it (though it would've needed s fresh battery). That device was $750, and I felt that was high. But I personally feel like it was the best phone Apple put out to date in terms of features to price, and ticking off every box of my needs.

The X I bought two years ago will have depreciated $500+ By the time this next phone hits. To some, that's reasonable. To me, it just isn't. I'll likely end up going refurbished on s few generations old devices or just buy used and save even more.

I used to be the guy that bought a new phone every year, Up until the 6s line anyway. But things change I guess.

Edit: why did this become a "I must prove Android is inferior" thread? Is it not ok to feel phones are expensive today without people white knighting for Apple? Seriously didn't take the original post to be specifically anti Apple or praising of android.

I personally still love getting Flagships, my only wish was that I got the XS Max 512GB instead of the 256GB, but I got 200GB iCloud Storage and will upgrade further if needed down the line, BUT, I do agree, flagships are far overpriced at this point considering that there is not much separating them from most mid ends.

I absolutely agree with you around where the topic has gone, it seems there are certain characters who hate it when iOS and Android are compared, especially when it comes to pricing, but the reality is that these 2 OSs are so similar now that it’s down to what you want and not down to what is better.

Using both iOS and Android daily, I just cannot stand for one and shoot down the other as they complement each other so well.

 

[Thai]

1. Apple alternatives are not as vast as Androids, like you said, there are tons of brands, so again, my point stands.

2. You talk about poorer countries and in the same breath talk about “throw away phones”, because someone who is poor will see their main means of contact/Connectivity a throw away product? Very hard to take you seriously here bud, you’re argument is flawed.
In terms of Developers - your argument falls apart in your “poor countries” where Android is the main focus for developers. It’s all down to what is most popular in a particular region. I am still waiting for a Digital banking app from a digital bank that recently launched locally, they focused on Android as that is the market leader and delayed the iOS app.

3. Lol, last I checked The Huawei P20 Pro is getting Android Q, so I doubt the P30 Pro will be left on Q, once again your poor arguments and poor facts let you down here.

4. Your link does not say much about how 3rd party OEMs can get around this, from what I have seen in Q, it’s mostly still the same and OEMs will find away around it, especially large ones like Samsung and Huawei who build their own infrastructure within Android, so thanks for nothing.

First use Android Q then get back to me when you have actual experience and not endless links that barely cover the full spectrum.

5. We are not looking at history we are looking at the current market, FYI.

6. FaceID was hacked, so what’s your point?

7. There are two different In-screen Fingerprint Readers, Optical and Ultrasonic, FYI. Have not had burn-in on my P30 Pro or Mate 20 Pro.
Barely anyone buys Pixel, so who cares they went FaceID, the Android OEMs that matter are mostly using In-Screen.

1. LOL...but Apple is the same way...there are cheaper alternatives. In fact, the Apple alternatives are often more valuable because they are supported longer than Android cheap alternatives. Your argument is not good dude.

2. Yeah, throw-aways. They buy it because it is cheap. They do not invest in the ecosystem. Why do you think that despite the vast marketshare dominance, Apple still make more with their App Store?

And despite dominance, DEVELOPERS still prefer iOS. Games, productivity, and heck even Google apps get updates first or exclusivity on iOS. If you're arguing otherwise, then you need reality check.

Or, look at car brands and how many of them accept Apple CarPlay and how many do not accept Android Auto.

3. Yet, Huawei P10.....which came out in 2017......is NOT on the list to get Q. OUCH! A 2 year old phone that is no longer getting support. NO SUPPORT AFTER 18 MONTHS. You pay how much again for the Huawei??

4. Dude, don't you understand how things work?? What is in the link above is in the Android Q framework. There is no getting around it. It is not something that can be changed with an OEM skin (e.g. EMUI). But you knew that already, right?

5. LOL...seriously?! What drove the current market?

6. FaceID was hacked by an elaborate scheme (by Viet group). Huawei was hacked by a coworker. No hardware or 3D printer needed. Just some random dude.

7. Read my post again. US = ultrasonic. I thought that was obvious. I stand corrected. And yes, both versions suck donkey balls.
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Using both iOS and Android daily, I just cannot stand for one and shoot down the other as they complement each other so well.

Sorry, i had to laugh at this one........makes no darn sense. In fact, by using two (as you claimed), you are being less efficient because your Huawei does not interact well with your Apple stuff. And Apple stuff not well with Android.

There is complement anything. Your workflow is less efficient.

 

[Tsepz]

1. LOL...but Apple is the same way...there are cheaper alternatives. In fact, the Apple alternatives are often more valuable because they are supported longer than Android cheap alternatives. Your argument is not good dude.

2. Yeah, throw-aways. They buy it because it is cheap. They do not invest in the ecosystem. Why do you think that despite the vast marketshare dominance, Apple still make more with their App Store?

And despite dominance, DEVELOPERS still prefer iOS. Games, productivity, and heck even Google apps get updates first or exclusivity on iOS. If you're arguing otherwise, then you need reality check.

Or, look at car brands and how many of them accept Apple CarPlay and how many do not accept Android Auto.

3. Yet, Huawei P10.....which came out in 2017......is NOT on the list to get Q. OUCH! A 2 year old phone that is no longer getting support. NO SUPPORT AFTER 18 MONTHS. You pay how much again for the Huawei??

4. Dude, don't you understand how things work?? What is in the link above is in the Android Q framework. There is no getting around it. It is not something that can be changed with an OEM skin (e.g. EMUI). But you knew that already, right?

5. LOL...seriously?! What drove the current market?

6. FaceID was hacked by an elaborate scheme (by Viet group). Huawei was hacked by a coworker. No hardware or 3D printer needed. Just some random dude.

7. Read my post again. US = ultrasonic. I thought that was obvious. I stand corrected. And yes, both versions suck donkey balls.
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Sorry, i had to laugh at this one........makes no darn sense. In fact, by using two (as you claimed), you are being less efficient because your Huawei does not interact well with your Apple stuff. And Apple stuff not well with Android.

There is complement anything. Your workflow is less efficient.

1. Again, there are more alternatives in Android, 100s more than Apple. Nobody really cares how long they are supported, at the end of the day Android has far more competition between devices and price segments.

2. Again, this is down to region.

3. What is ouch when people don’t seem to care how long a device is supported? As you said, 80% of the market, if they cared, they’d all be on Apple devices of some sort.

4. Samsung and Huawei have always found a way to get things working they want despite framework, they have brought features never natively supported and will continue to.
This argument is pointless though as the average consumer won’t even care.

5. Consumers drove the current market, to a point where the two are very similar.

6. No 3D printer was used in FaceID hack, just a sleeping iPhone user and some glasses.

7. If they sucked, nobody would be implementing them.


I am actually very efficient in how I work, the P30 Pro takes incredible zoomed and low light images so if I need a top camera I use that, if I am going off the grid or traveling long distance and I want a phone to last me 2 full days I take the P30 Pro and keep the iPhone in Low Power Mode, while I use my XS Max as my daily driver for other things like Work Emails, Web browsing, Phone calls etc.. Both connect easily to my social media (Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat etc....), I have Apple Music on both so all my Music is synced up, I have Netflix, Showmax and Amazon Prime on both, both sync to Google Drive, and both connect easily to my current banking app, while the new digital bank only has an app for Android so I need the P30 around for that if I want to make any transactions. Overall I easily go between the two, I guess you would be inefficient as you would not know what you are doing on Android, but I am all good, as I have used both OS for years now. - Seriously writing this part of the post was the most interesting as I go through both I realize how I easily go between with no issues as the apps I use exist on both. I can watch something on Netflix on my XS Max, continue on my P30 Pro and then finish it off on my PS4 or iPad depending which part of the house I am in, so really, going between the two is nothing for me.

I am also a mobile enthusiast and not a zealot, so enjoy going between the two, laugh and post endless links with no experience at all as you may, it’s great to use both.