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You forget to mention that iPods are dying business. Apple has little reason to put a 256GB SSD in a device that is clearly declining in sales. Most have iPhones and iPods now, and those are now shipping with up to 128GB of storage. Even the Audiophile with the 100GB library has little reason for an iPod now.

Well, I beg to differ. Some of us don't particularly wish to have an iPhone, and the iTouch only has 64GB which is not sufficient. There are a - perhaps small - number of individuals - among whose number I would count myself - who simply wish to have a device which does nothing, and I mean nothing, except be able to carry a lot of music in one device and be able to play it.

Now, the iPod classic did that, and did it very well. I have no real desire for Apps, or smart phones, or screens that could play stuff - my eyesight could be a lot better, hence small screens and I are not especially cosy, and I spend enough time on a computer screen to wish to spend any more struggling to see something on a smaller screen; all I desired was a well designed portable music player that could carry all of my music library. The classic did all of that exceptionally well.
 
Well, I beg to differ. Some of us don't particularly wish to have an iPhone, and the iTouch only has 64GB which is not sufficient. There are a - perhaps small - number of individuals - among whose number I would count myself - who simply wish to have a device which does nothing, and I mean nothing, except be able to carry a lot of music in one device and be able to play it.

Now, the iPod classic did that, and did it very well. I have no real desire for Apps, or smart phones, or screens that could play stuff - my eyesight could be a lot better, hence small screens and I are not especially cosy, and I spend enough time on a computer screen to wish to spend any more struggling to see something on a smaller screen; all I desired was a well designed portable music player that could carry all of my music library. The classic did all of that exceptionally well.

I'm not doubting that, and that wasn't my point. There are people who needs fit the iPod Classic better. The point is, iPod line is slowing dying and it simply isn't worthwhile for Apple. While you are in the small minority that don't want a smartphone, the fact is that most people do, and buy the iphone. Many also only got the classic for the storage space, and with higher capacities coming to iPad and iPhone, there is little argument for an iPod Classic. iPod Classic lovers are butt hurt, but the same thing happened to 17" MBP lovers. Sorry to say, but the vast majority clearly don't care or have a hang up over a click wheel.
 
I'm not doubting that, and that wasn't my point. There are people who needs fit the iPod Classic better. The point is, iPod line is slowing dying and it simply isn't worthwhile for Apple. While you are in the small minority that don't want a smartphone, the fact is that most people do, and buy the iphone. Many also only got the classic for the storage space, and with higher capacities coming to iPad and iPhone, there is little argument for an iPod Classic. iPod Classic lovers are butt hurt, but the same thing happened to 17" MBP lovers. Sorry to say, but the vast majority clearly don't care or have a hang up over a click wheel.

No, I don't have a 'hang-up' about the click wheel, although I do like it as a design. I do have a 'hang-up' about my desire to have a very nice device which can play music and is large enough to hold my entire (rather large) music library.

However, I don't delude myself - and am perfectly aware that I am pretty much in a minority where my musical needs and personal preferences are concerned. Evolution, and all that. And, Apple being the business that it is, the company has no regrets whatsoever destroying, or discontinuing (I even spotted the very verb 'murder' used in this context earlier this evening) a product it no longer deems sufficiently profitable.

I bought my first iPod - of any description - it was, of course, the classic - in early 2006. I was due to head to Belarus to observe an election, a process which would have (as it did) left me in a country where (politically active and less politically active) people could or would be arrested merely for talking with you (which actually happened) - in other words, it promised to be a socially strained few months, the sort of 'socially strained' environment which even I, as something of an introvert, knew would be quite challenging.

Hence, two days before my departure, the purchase of an iPod, which was to be my boon companion for the next few months. In fact, I have never since travelled abroad - and I travel a lot - both professionally and because I like travelling - without an iPod classic and a nice set of headphones in my rucksack or briefcase.

Now, in those days, I had a Windows computer - my old Toshiba Satellite Pro, which was later upgraded for a Sony Vaio. Both were perfectly fine computers, and, when I bought the iPod, I had no thought of changing, or, 'switching' (to Apple) as the parlance has it.

Fast forward to a dead iPod - some few months later. For, while I am something of a devotee of the iPod classic line, I am not blind to their shortcomings, and one serious shortcoming was a small - but consistent - percentage of HDD failures in the classic line. Mine was one of those, and the response of the Apple team in the shop where I bought it - it was still under warranty - where the iPod was simply taken from me, on production of a receipt, accepted, and - a few weeks later - a replacement arrived, a manner of doing business which impressed me.

Some years later, another iPod classic - which also died, also still under warranty - was replaced without a murmur, and without seeking refuge in contractual small print, footnotes, or subclauses.

This service, more than the delightful companionship of the iPod gave rise to what Apple - and other - marketing types later came to describe as the 'halo' effect. At the time, Apple designed gorgeous products, but they were very much a niche market and a niche player.

The iPod (and later, the iPhone) changed all that, by introducing individuals - among whom I count myself - who would never have done more than taken a sideways glance at the company and would never, ever have contemplated a purchase, or a switch, to this alien if attractive alternative universe, without the positive experience engendered both by the product - the iPod classic - and the excellent after sales service which attended upon the product committing suicide and being replaced without the usual hassle that would have been experienced with the products of many - not all - other companies.

All of this gave rise to the 'halo' effect, which meant that by the time I was contemplating replacing my Sony with another laptop computer, I was prepared to contemplate 'switching' to Apple, something which would never even have been a consideration but for my positive experience with the iPod classic.

So, it wasn't just that the iPod classic utterly transformed the way music was consumed and offered a new marketing model in the process (and, indeed, broke the stranglehold of the major music companies by so doing), and nor was it that it served to pave the way for the iPhone and attendant technologies, it was also that the iPod classic served - via the 'halo' effect - to introduce large new numbers of individuals to the whole computing - and other - world of Apple.

That is not to say that the Apple executives do not consider it obsolete; they do, unfortunately. Of course, there is still a demand for it, but - obviously - it is a small, steady (articulate) - and relatively unprofitable demand. Such is life, and change, but this is one change, which I, for one, deeply regret.

 
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Revived iPod

In honor of the demise of the Classic, I pulled out my old 30 GB 5th gen that I bought on ebay back in '08. It was non functional at the time and I put a new (used) HD in. It worked well enough about 80% of the time but the drive was always temperamental. I'd get the sad face screen and the "connect to iTunes to restore" message at times.

When I plugged it in yesterday I kept getting both of these. I connected it to my MacBook Pro and iTunes wouldn't recognize it but after putting it into disk mode and attempting to repair it with Disc Utility (repair failed) somehow I was able to restore it and re-sync it. It seems to be working well for the moment. Makes me want to buy a 7th gen Classic now!!
 

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Here's a thought I just had. An Android-loving friend of mine was recently mocking iPhone users paying for extra built-in memory when Android phones take micro SD cards.

I'm wondering if people who really don't want a smart phone could buy a cheap, used Android phone and use it as a music player if/when their iPod Classic dies. I see some 128 GB Micro SD cards on Amazon in the $20 range. I have no idea what used Android phones go for.
 
I'm wondering if people who really don't want a smart phone could buy a cheap, used Android phone and use it as a music player if/when their iPod Classic dies. I see some 128 GB Micro SD cards on Amazon in the $20 range. I have no idea what used Android phones go for.

But then you lose the other side of the equation, seamless media management through iTunes.

I think an interesting question would be if you could have a music player with the amount of memory that you needed, how much would you really need? I'm seeing people here saying that 128GB is not enough; heck, there have been experiments with 1TB iPod upgrades using mSATA cards.
 
But then you lose the other side of the equation, seamless media management through iTunes.

I think an interesting question would be if you could have a music player with the amount of memory that you needed, how much would you really need? I'm seeing people here saying that 128GB is not enough; heck, there have been experiments with 1TB iPod upgrades using mSATA cards.

My iTunes music collection is 16.78 GB, so I'm definitely not the best one to ask!
 
But then you lose the other side of the equation, seamless media management through iTunes.

I think an interesting question would be if you could have a music player with the amount of memory that you needed, how much would you really need? I'm seeing people here saying that 128GB is not enough; heck, there have been experiments with 1TB iPod upgrades using mSATA cards.

Mine is just under 80GB at the moment and I have absolutely no doubt that it will expand further. As such, the only device that holds it all comfortably, is the current classic. Granted, an iTouch with 128GB SSD probably would suffice as well…….for now, at least.
 
Found one at a walmart about 30 minutes from me, bought online for instore pickup. Only one left anywhere near me that I could find, would have preferred the silver but I got a black one.
 
I'm wondering if people who really don't want a smart phone could buy a cheap, used Android phone and use it as a music player if/when their iPod Classic dies. I see some 128 GB Micro SD cards on Amazon in the $20 range. I have no idea what used Android phones go for.

Problem you'll have with that logic also besides what's pointed out is that in many cases the devices don't support an SD card of that size. Between GPS's, older phones, GoPro's etc I have around here most until you get to newer devices cap out at 32gb. Most of the rest cap at 64. I think it took my current generation Galaxy S tablet to get to 128 supported.

Now that said I haven't tried bigger cards in many of these, and "supported" may consist like Apple does of that size SD was the largest commercially available at time of testing so that becomes the officially blessed spec.
 
Posted in the other thread...some of the Targets still have one available in stock. Check around, I found two within 20 minutes of me.
 
Here's a thought I just had. An Android-loving friend of mine was recently mocking iPhone users paying for extra built-in memory when Android phones take micro SD cards.

I'm wondering if people who really don't want a smart phone could buy a cheap, used Android phone and use it as a music player if/when their iPod Classic dies. I see some 128 GB Micro SD cards on Amazon in the $20 range. I have no idea what used Android phones go for.

I looked at that a while back. The problem is that while audio reproduction on the iPods is only so-so, on Android devices it is even worse. Even the dedicated media players in the Samsung Galaxy range came up short there.

I think an interesting question would be if you could have a music player with the amount of memory that you needed, how much would you really need? I'm seeing people here saying that 128GB is not enough; heck, there have been experiments with 1TB iPod upgrades using mSATA cards.

The problem is still the amount of logic memory on the iPod circuitry and how much data it can index. When I upgraded the HD on my 30GB iPod 5 video the max I could take it to was 120GB as after about 20-25000 tracks the logic board on the iPod would crap out due to RAM issues.

I would assume the iPod Classic has more but since Apple has a habit of putting in the minimum RAM it can get away with on its iDevices, there will be a ceiling somewhere.
 
my iTunes collection is over 300 gigs now... the iPod classic is a huge loss... huge... I was actually hoping apple would come up with an even bigger device, or offer more storage for iTunes match.. but neither has happened.. :(
 
my iTunes collection is over 300 gigs now... the iPod classic is a huge loss... huge... I was actually hoping apple would come up with an even bigger device, or offer more storage for iTunes match.. but neither has happened.. :(

I know, I know; my dream was for something along the same lines. Believe me, I feel your pain on this matter; indeed, I feel my own pain!
 
my iTunes collection is over 300 gigs now... the iPod classic is a huge loss... huge... I was actually hoping apple would come up with an even bigger device, or offer more storage for iTunes match.. but neither has happened.. :(

Sadly (in your case, depends on how you look at it) they're starting to pivot toward streaming music and not "owning music", the end of an era.
 
Halo effect

No, I don't have a 'hang-up' about the click wheel, although I do like it as a design. I do have a 'hang-up' about my desire to have a very nice device which can play music and is large enough to hold my entire (rather large) music library.

However, I don't delude myself - and am perfectly aware that I am pretty much in a minority where my musical needs and personal preferences are concerned. Evolution, and all that. And, Apple being the business that it is, the company has no regrets whatsoever destroying, or discontinuing (I even spotted the very verb 'murder' used in this context earlier this evening) a product it no longer deems sufficiently profitable.

I bought my first iPod - of any description - it was, of course, the classic - in early 2006. I was due to head to Belarus to observe an election, a process which would have (as it did) left me in a country where (politically active and less politically active) people could or would be arrested merely for talking with you (which actually happened) - in other words, it promised to be a socially strained few months, the sort of 'socially strained' environment which even I, as something of an introvert, knew would be quite challenging.

Hence, two days before my departure, the purchase of an iPod, which was to be my boon companion for the next few months. In fact, I have never since travelled abroad - and I travel a lot - both professionally and because I like travelling - without an iPod classic and a nice set of headphones in my rucksack or briefcase.

Now, in those days, I had a Windows computer - my old Toshiba Satellite Pro, which was later upgraded for a Sony Vaio. Both were perfectly fine computers, and, when I bought the iPod, I had no thought of changing, or, 'switching' (to Apple) as the parlance has it.

Fast forward to a dead iPod - some few months later. For, while I am something of a devotee of the iPod classic line, I am not blind to their shortcomings, and one serious shortcoming was a small - but consistent - percentage of HDD failures in the classic line. Mine was one of those, and the response of the Apple team in the shop where I bought it - it was still under warranty - where the iPod was simply taken from me, on production of a receipt, accepted, and - a few weeks later - a replacement arrived, a manner of doing business which impressed me.

Some years later, another iPod classic - which also died, also still under warranty - was replaced without a murmur, and without seeking refuge in contractual small print, footnotes, or subclauses.

This service, more than the delightful companionship of the iPod gave rise to what Apple - and other - marketing types later came to describe as the 'halo' effect. At the time, Apple designed gorgeous products, but they were very much a niche market and a niche player.

The iPod (and later, the iPhone) changed all that, by introducing individuals - among whom I count myself - who would never have done more than taken a sideways glance at the company and would never, ever have contemplated a purchase, or a switch, to this alien if attractive alternative universe, without the positive experience engendered both by the product - the iPod classic - and the excellent after sales service which attended upon the product committing suicide and being replaced without the usual hassle that would have been experienced with the products of many - not all - other companies.

All of this gave rise to the 'halo' effect, which meant that by the time I was contemplating replacing my Sony with another laptop computer, I was prepared to contemplate 'switching' to Apple, something which would never even have been a consideration but for my positive experience with the iPod classic.

So, it wasn't just that the iPod classic utterly transformed the way music was consumed and offered a new marketing model in the process (and, indeed, broke the stranglehold of the major music companies by so doing), and nor was it that it served to pave the way for the iPhone and attendant technologies, it was also that the iPod classic served - via the 'halo' effect - to introduce large new numbers of individuals to the whole computing - and other - world of Apple.

That is not to say that the Apple executives do not consider it obsolete; they do, unfortunately. Of course, there is still a demand for it, but - obviously - it is a small, steady (articulate) - and relatively unprofitable demand. Such is life, and change, but this is one change, which I, for one, deeply regret.


This thread may help to illustrate the halo effect you referred to so eloquently.

Regards,

susan



https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1164201/
 
FYI to my Canadian friends, Walmart.ca has the 160GB Classic in stock (as of Nov 27) for $248.
 
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