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8GB of RAM on the M-Series Macs is perfectly fine for base spec users. And it outperforms 16GB Intel Macs and other 16GB Intel systems I’ve used.
My video points out that for some users, 8GB can be enough, but it depends on the type of tasks you are doing. For most users, going to 16GB will just improve your experience and also ensure your computer will last longer due to rising RAM usage in apps.

I also point out that 12GB could be fine as well but that’s not a config Apple typically offers. I’d personally love to see them using a base-12 system instead of a base-8 system.
 
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My video points out that for some users, 8GB can be enough, but it depends on the type of tasks you are doing. For most users, going to 16GB will just improve your experience and also ensure your computer will last longer due to rising RAM usage in apps.

I also point out that 12GB could be fine as well but that’s not a config Apple typically offers. I’d personally love to see them using a base-12 system instead of a base-8 system.
And if people want 16GB of RAM they have that option. But for many 8GB is plenty, and it provides them with a cheaper option. 👍🏻
 
And if people want 16GB of RAM they have that option. But for many 8GB is plenty, and it provides them with a cheaper option. 👍🏻
I agree. Thank you for your feedback and I’ll take it into consideration for my next videos.

I guess my main gripe is that Apple can afford to just put 16GB in all their laptops without raising prices.
 
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I agree. Thank you for your feedback and I’ll take it into consideration for my next videos.

I guess my main gripe is that Apple can afford to just put 16GB in all their laptops without raising prices.
Thank you for your video. I thought your analogy of rooms for the difference between other systems and Unified Memory was good. 👍🏻
 
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Good. However, Apple are the ones who should be making 16 GB the base specs without any price increases.
Why? Because not everyone is a computer expert, and Apple should be less consumer hostile.
Fully agree - that’s something I mention in the video. I think Apple has plenty of money and can afford the marginal cut in profit margins and make all Mac’s start with more RAM.

This benefits everyone too. If baseline chips start at 16, then the pro/max chips would likely start with 24 or 32 gigs of RAM.
 
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Thank you for your video. I thought your analogy of rooms for the difference between other systems and Unified Memory was good. 👍🏻
Thank you! I appreciate it. Do you feel the thumbnail is too click-bait? I struggle trying to make compelling thumbnails.
 
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You are awfully generous spending other’s money. So exactly how much is Apple to keep?
Apples RAM supplier is Micron, and while I don’t know how much Apple is paying for their RAM, you can see that you can get 8GB of SODIMM RAM from Micron for about $18. Now Apple surely is not paying retail prices for their RAM, especially since it’s soldered onto the package and they buy in massive bulk quantities between millions of products. It’s a drop in the bucket for them to add another 8gig module. I even suggested they could use base 12 and use 2x 6gig modules. I wouldn’t be surprised if this equates do a few dollars extra at most. Likely 0.2% - 0.3% of their profit on a $999 machine.
 
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Apples RAM supplier is Micron, and while I don’t know how much Apple is paying for their RAM, you can see that you can get 8GB of SODIMM RAM from Micron for about $18. Now Apple surely is not paying retail prices for their RAM, especially since it’s soldered onto the package and they buy in massive bulk quantities between millions of products. It’s a drop in the bucket for them to add another 8gig module. I even suggested they could use base 12 and use 2x 6gig modules. I wouldn’t be surprised if this equates do a few dollars extra at most.
It is has nothing to do with the cost of the BOM but the loss of income from lost [outrageously high margin] BTO sales. If RAM grew on trees and cost nothing, it would not impact Apple sales price.
 
Thank you! I appreciate it. Do you feel the thumbnail is too click-bait? I struggle trying to make compelling thumbnails.
Honestly, the thumbnail did seem a bit click-bait and I almost didn’t watch it because of that. Some other people have made similar videos that are definitely clickbait. 👍🏻.

I wouldn’t say that Apple is being “consumer hostile”. We don’t know all of the costs involved in producing the base spec MacBook Pros, or even how much Apple’s profit is on the base spec models, considering that the other hardware used to be only available on more expensive models. And I do think it’s a bit misguided to say things like “x business has plenty of money, so they should just do this” because that completely ignores the potential costs involved. I believe we lack the data. A business needs to turn a profit, so its decisions will be a balance of maintaining a profit and satisfying customers. And considering that the 8GB base spec models sell very well, and customer satisfaction is very high, it seems to me that they’re doing that. 👍🏻

Also, quick side note, often businesses will offer a lower price on a base model or configuration of a product then they otherwise would because some people will opt for a more expensive configuration, version, or spec. In these systems, the base configuration makes very low profit, but they sell in high enough quantity and enough people also opt to go with more expensive options that it would balance out. In a system like this, reducing the profit margin on the low-end product, even by a seemingly small amount, can make a very big difference.
 
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According to the official documentation that can be found here:

When the memory pressure is yellow, your computer might eventually need more RAM. When this indicator is red, your computer needs more RAM.

I have seen that indicator in the green color only when I first booted my Macbook Air M1 with 8GB of RAM. After installing (and running) a basic set of apps, it has always been yellow or red. You do not need to run scientific apps to change its color: it is enough to use non-Apple basic apps.

An excessive swapping reduces the life of the internal SSD. So, yes, Apple should stop selling expensive computers with such a small amount of RAM, especially when the RAM upgrade is ridiculously expensive.
 
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I wonder whether 8 GB RAM will still be enough in MacOS Sequoia.
Careful, you'll unleash the "8 gIgS aRe mOrE tHaN eNoUgH" hounds 🐶

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Of course it is not enough. It was enough for when you use your laptop like an iPad with one or 2 apps running and both are office apps. For any more complex task it starts to swap data to your SSD. With AI it will be much more demanding. Ffs if a company like Apple is promoting Ecofriendliness then least what they can do is to future proof their HW so that down the road they will have enough room to spare and not be constantly on the edge. Even more so when their designs are not user-upgradeable.
 
Point is, it was not enough even before, except for the most light and basic use. It will not get better with more demands.


Beaten to death. It obviously is enough for the vast majority, which is why it's the default configuration. There's no sensible argument otherwise.

Bit I agree, over time new requirements will mean more RAM is needed. I don't think that's controversial.
 
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Is or was? I agree it "was" enough for the majority (with no future proofing, mind), but in the Apple Intelligence era? RAM requirements are about to change substantially once the new OS drops.

"was" from a pre-Sequoia perspective.

"Is" we don't know in the Sequoia world. It's clearly still in beta though. We have click bait videos but it'll be interesting to see real world experiences.

Gotta say I'm a little surprised that M1 was even included.
 
Beaten to death. It obviously is enough for the vast majority, which is why it's the default configuration. There's no sensible argument otherwise.

Bit I agree, over time new requirements will mean more RAM is needed. I don't think that's controversial.
Wrong assumption. It’s cheapest option for many. So they buy it and deal with it. We are well past the point where it was enough. And now AI arrived, made all iPhones obsolete (except for 15pro/max) bc of RAM. Until AI arrival, 6 GB was also considered ok for most folks. See? this is how it looks like w/o any spare room.

Now they made most of their iPhone lineup obsolete in terms of AI future. Ecology 101! Indeed.
 
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I wonder whether 8 GB RAM will still be enough in MacOS Sequoia.
If someone already has an 8 GB machine, Sequoia will surely run "ok" on it, as Apple is still stupidly selling lower-end machines with 8 GB as standard. An aspect where Apple's cheapness and in a sense meanness shows up the most clearly. Apple should have stopped selling 8 GB machines 10 years ago, maybe 20 years ago :).

If someone is considering buying a new machine with 8 GB of RAM. Just NO. Do not do it, get 16 or 24 or 32 or more. Memory is still way way faster than even the latest SSD's, and you WILL notice it running a browser with a lot of tabs, or potentially some of the new machine learning/AI stuff which may wind up needing to use some of the system ram for processing.
 
Of course it is not enough. It was enough for when you use your laptop like an iPad with one or 2 apps running and both are office apps. For any more complex task it starts to swap data to your SSD. With AI it will be much more demanding. Ffs if a company like Apple is promoting Ecofriendliness then least what they can do is to future proof their HW so that down the road they will have enough room to spare and not be constantly on the edge. Even more so when their designs are not user-upgradeable.

eco friendliness doesn't mean to them what it means to you.

they will be happy to discontinue and disown the hardware you bought from them just so they could sell you another one. why do you think there's no upgrades anymore? just buy another!! remember it's only 7 years now and you can't even get hardware fixed. right into the dump.

and make sure to add 200 for 16 GB ram! 😀
 
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"was" from a pre-Sequoia perspective.

"Is" we don't know in the Sequoia world. It's clearly still in beta though. We have click bait videos but it'll be interesting to see real world experiences.

Gotta say I'm a little surprised that M1 was even included.
Reports are suggesting the precision of the models running on the new OS is low, so the RAM use initially won't be extreme, but will still effectively reduce the total RAM available by about 20-25% on 8GB. Undoubtedly it'll dramatically increase in coming years, though, unless Apple don't intend to keep up with their competitors. AI tasks, specifically LLMs, are sensationally RAM hungry.
 
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