Is Apple and their iPhone really worth all that comes with it?

[Brounmoney]

Define "full blown update".



So, because iOS has not added widgets or live tiles you think it has not been updated? As an iOS developer I can tell you that it has changed significantly in the last 5 years. There much more to an OS than what you see on the lock screen or home page.



And what versions of Android do you consider "full blown updates"? Make sure you elaborate on why.

Ok let's take a look at android froyo and look at jelly bean. How much different does jelly bean look over froyo. Look at the performance of jelly bean and project jelly over froyo. That is what I am talking about. If feels like a brand new OS.

Now you are talking about being a developer right? Well those changes you are taking about are thing that consumers never see right? Sure iOS is faster and smoother then before but it does not feel fresh or new it just feels like iOS 1,2,3,4, and 5 just faster and can do a couple of new tricks. I am talking about bring up to date with look and feel. Apple can update the way their apps look, but that does not change the fact of when I get an iphone 5 it is not going to look much different than my iphone 4 running iOS 4 did.

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This is what I am talking about Apple is not setting themselves up for future success. Smartphones are much different than computer cause you change them out a lot faster, and when you get a new phone you want it to look new and different from what you had before.

 

[BaldiMac]

Uh added taxing things like widgets and multitasking would slow down iOS I would think.

Widgets aren't CPU intensive. And Apple added multitasking with iOS 4.

Name something that has been completely overhauled in iOS 6 that was in iOS 1

Why? How would I know?

and are there really any new features that have added that have completely changed iOS?

Multitasking
Third-party apps
App Store
Notifications
Siri
Thousand of APIs
iPad support
Enterprise support

That's off the top of my head.

 

[DodgeV83]

Well here is the problem with that OS was built in 2007 and has only had features add no real code change.

Do you have access to the iOS source code? Please provide a source to substantiate this claim.

Lets get technical since that seems to be what you want to do. The iphone 5 is running the A6 ARM DUAL-CORE processor. The nexus 4 is running a QUAD CORE processor. So I am pretty that quad core blows the dual core out of the water again look at what iOS is please.

This has already been proven wrong. The iPhone 5 processor is faster.

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This is what I am talking about Apple is not setting themselves up for future success. Smartphones are much different than computer cause you change them out a lot faster, and when you get a new phone you want it to look new and different from what you had before.

What are you basing this on? Apple has been the most successful smartphone maker every year since 2007.

 

[arliu]

I dont understand OP. If you dont like apple stuff dont get it. I'm not sure why this is even a debate

 

[Brounmoney]

Widgets aren't CPU intensive. And Apple added multitasking with iOS 4.



Why? How would I know?



Multitasking
Third-party apps
App Store
Notifications
Siri
Thousand of APIs
iPad support
Enterprise support

That's off the top of my head.

Multitasking you call stopping an app and switching to another multitasking. Android has apps running in the background. iOS does not.

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Do you have access to the iOS source code? Please provide a source to substantiate this claim.



This has already been proven wrong. The iPhone 5 processor is faster.

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What are you basing this on? Apple has been the most successful smartphone maker every year since 2007.

The key word that you said is "has" been. I am saying it want be if they don't change things.

 

[dejo]

Name something that has been completely overhauled in iOS 6 that was in iOS 1

Google Maps and YouTube?

 

[Brounmoney]

Google Maps and YouTube?

Google did that not Apple. Which kind of proves my point. I think you might be trolling now, but ok.

 

[DodgeV83]

Multitasking you call stopping an app and switching to another multitasking. Android has apps running in the background. iOS does not.

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The key word that you said is "has" been. I am saying it want be if they don't change things.

Wrong. Many apps run in the background on iOS.

I repeat, do you have access to the iOS source code? Please provide a source to substantiate this claim that there has been "no real code change".

 

[beosound3200]

...

so a phone with a DUAL CORE is faster than nexus 4 with QUAD CORE and you still use 'nexus 4' and 'faster' in the same context?

step up your game, pal, bring the galaxy s3 with a QUAD CORE into the mix.

but i dont think the discussion and the facts would change much.

believe it or not, the nexus 4 is a price-conscious device, they werent going for 'speed', they were going for 'price'. as a result, nexus 4 isnt a 'high-end' device, but is a 'best-buy' device. thats the route google is apparently taking, probably because they cant rival apple in the premium segment...

...nor hardware for that matter, hence the HUUUUGEEE screens for slow and power-hungry quad cores with half-a-day battery life.
its funny how you dont acknowledge benchmarks, yet they are probably the sole reason for quad cores in smartphones. i mean really, a quad core in a phone? with that kind of a battery life? there's gotta be a reason, i bet its a stupid one. probably something along the lines of 'we cant beat apple with brand nor design (as a whole, battery life and ux included) so lets try with numbers'

as for the android, in my opinion, here's one (of few) objective criteria for measuring the 'goodness' of an OS - the number of times one has to access the settings.app during the life of a device...

its interesting, the number one (or top 5 at least) request from ios users are the famous android settings toggles, yet i dont see anyone talking about wifi+cellular option in ios 6 betas...

call me crazy, but i think the sole purpose of the OS, hell, even the technology as a whole is to offset the 'thinking' part of our interaction with various devices to the device itself, to make that interaction easier and shorter, if you're getting me.
in that regard, android is by faaar the worst OS on the planet.
we forgot this along the way, probably because our lives became too boring and too easy... so we want more toggles, instead of less to fill up that time. maybe because it makes us feel smarter?

but you gotta hand it to apple in one regard, miniaturization, a phone with dual core and better battery life in a smaller package has the same performance as quad core phones of the same generation (did i mention the battery life?). now thats an achievement.

and always remember, people have different criteria, and this is mine

theres really no point in arguing, especially if one doesnt use facts, like yourself

 

[Zerilos]

That's pretty funny. Considering all of the evidence to the contrary.

It doesn't matter, we've provided evidence contradicting everything he has said; he'll just keep believing what he wants to believe. He knows that he's being dishonest, just doesn't care.

Having said that, I admit that Android has a number of features that are not present on iOS, and I understand why some people would prefer it. Personally I prefer the stability, efficiency and battery life of iOS devices, but both OSs come with trade-off. I have owned 4 Android devices in the past and don't plan on going back.

 

[Brounmoney]

It doesn't matter, we've provided evidence contradicting everything he has said; he'll just keep believing what he wants to believe. He knows that he's being dishonest, just doesn't care.

Having said that, I admit that Android has a number of features that are not present on iOS, and I understand why some people would prefer it. Personally I prefer the stability, efficiency and battery life of iOS devices, but both OSs come with trade-off. I have owned 4 Android devices in the past and don't plan on going back.

Well hey some other than me said something positive about android. Yes iOS has a ton of great things and I guess the battery life is better. I think every single smartphone made right now needs better battery life. Enjoy never going back to android,IOS I am sure will meet your needs. I may go back to android I don't know. The only thing I like better about the iphone and iOS is the music player and iTunes. Other than that I do feel like the design of android fits what I prefer. I did not say needs cause like I said before I really don't need a smartphone I just like having it. Iphone 5 are great phones and should be consider one of the best phones on the market. There are many choices out there and you just need the one you like best cause lets face it most of us don't need a smartphone we just want one. We all have our own ideas of the best smartphone and I don't think anyone could agree on it all. I choose the wrong place to voice my strong opinion.

 

[BaldiMac]

Multitasking you call stopping an app and switching to another multitasking.

No, I call a fully preemptive multitasking OS that runs multiple processes, including some third party apps, at the same time, "multitasking."

Android has apps running in the background. iOS does not.

That's not true.

I choose the wrong place to voice my strong opinion.

It isn't your "strong opinion" that most people are jumping on. It's the misinformation, confusing opinions with fact, cherry-picked evidence, and choice to ignore any facts that don't support your opinion.

 

[iRetired]

I really love my Subaru and if you drive anything else you're a jerk.

Whoops, my bad. Wrong forum.

 

[Brounmoney]

No, I call a fully preemptive multitasking OS that runs multiple processes, including some third party apps, at the same time, "multitasking."



That's not true.



It isn't your "strong opinion" that most people are jumping on. It's the misinformation, confusing opinions with fact, cherry-picked evidence, and choice to ignore any facts that don't support your opinion.

A lot of what I said was opinion and not false. I don't consider Pandora music running even after you get out of the app multitasking, but I do call having temp app that has the temp in the notification bar that updates the temp multitasking. That app is running whether you have it open or not. I do not believe Apple allows that. Now again I understand that this drains battery and you may not like it, but that is my understand of multitasking. Correct me if I am wrong, but what apps can run in the background of iOS?

I think we have different opinions of things and I am not so sure that a gave false calms. I do still believe the nexus 4 is faster than you guys believe, but you guys were right benchmarks blow the nexus 4 away. Those text don't allows relay real world experiences. As you saw uploading a page was almost just as fast if not right on the iphone 5. That is what I was talking about. I do understand the iphone 5 is fast and gets great results on the benchmark test, but for what I do with me smart phone those test don't mean a darn thing. That is just what I think. And if you think the benchmark test are the true colors of a phone then sure the iphone 5 can't be match right now. You guys just act like I am the only one that feels this way. Check out what tech blogs like Engadget and gizmodo and the verge say.

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I really love my Subaru and if you drive anything else you're a jerk.

Whoops, my bad. Wrong forum.

I never once told anyone they were jerks for owning an iphone 5. My original post suggested that people do call people that own an iphone a name, but I never once called anyone that. And I do believe you have a right your opinion about iphone 5, and that is why there are 8 or 9 pages of discussion about it.

 

[BaldiMac]

A lot of what I said was opinion and not false.

And a lot of it was false.

I don't consider Pandora music running even after you get out of the app multitasking,

Okay. But you're wrong.

but I do call having temp app that has the temp in the notification bar that updates the temp multitasking. That app is running whether you have it open or not.

That is also multitasking. How does that differ from a music app running in the background? Or a navigation app? Or a VOIP app? Etc.

I do not believe Apple allows that.

Apple does not allow that exact scenario, but they do allow you to accomplish the same thing through push notifications and the notification center.

Now again I understand that this drains battery and you may not like it, but that is my understand of multitasking. Correct me if I am wrong, but what apps can run in the background of iOS?

See above for a few examples. Plus any app can run in the background to complete a task. Many Apple apps also run in the background. Safari, etc.

I think we have different opinions of things and I am not so sure that a gave false calms.

Then go back and read your posts to see all of the false claims that people corrected.

I do still believe the nexus 4 is faster than you guys believe, but you guys were right benchmarks blow the nexus 4 away. That does not show just like that is real world test. As you saw uploading a page was almost just as fast if not right on the iphone 5. That is what I was talking. I do understand the iphone 5 is fast and gets great results on the benchmark test, but for what I do with me smart phone those test don't mean a darn thing. That is just what I think.

What about the times we saw in the videos that you posted where the iPhone 5 rendered the pages much faster? Or the real world animations where the Nexus 4 couldn't even render them smoothly?

 

[Brounmoney]

And a lot of it was false.



Okay. But you're wrong.



That is also multitasking. How does that differ from a music app running in the background? Or a navigation app? Or a VOIP app? Etc.



Apple does not allow that exact scenario, but they do allow you to accomplish the same thing through push notifications and the notification center.



See above for a few examples. Plus any app can run in the background to complete a task. Many Apple apps also run in the background. Safari, etc.



Then go back and read your posts to see all of the false claims that people corrected.



What about the times we saw in the videos that you posted where the iPhone 5 rendered the pages much faster? Or the real world animations where the Nexus 4 couldn't even render them smoothly?

Safari running in the background what does it do? I know i was listening to a radio station on safari and when the screen would lock and go black the radio station would stop. i would have to unlock the phone and and push the play button to get it to start again. each time i would let the screen lock it would stop play. That does not sound like it was running in the background to me. Also having pushed notifications in the notification does not seem to me like multitasking. It is pushed information. The phones checks every few min to see if there is a notification. The app I speak of in always keeping up with the weather and updates the temp.

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And a lot of it was false.



Okay. But you're wrong.



That is also multitasking. How does that differ from a music app running in the background? Or a navigation app? Or a VOIP app? Etc.



Apple does not allow that exact scenario, but they do allow you to accomplish the same thing through push notifications and the notification center.



See above for a few examples. Plus any app can run in the background to complete a task. Many Apple apps also run in the background. Safari, etc.



Then go back and read your posts to see all of the false claims that people corrected.



What about the times we saw in the videos that you posted where the iPhone 5 rendered the pages much faster? Or the real world animations where the Nexus 4 couldn't even render them smoothly?

Oh you mean those animations on the browser app he was running? Oh good I am going to go on an app and see how smooth these shapes role around on the screen every day. That is what I do with my life.

Oh I almost forgot the Nexus 4 has an LTE chip inside. Tmobile need to get a license for it when their LTE goes live, so who ever posted that the iphone 5 had LTE and nexus 5 did not gave false information.

 

[BaldiMac]

Safari running in the background what does it do?

Render websites? Is this a trick question?

I know i was listening to a radio station on safari and when the screen would lock and go black the radio station would stop. i would have to unlock the phone and and push the play button to get it to start again. each time i would let the screen lock it would stop play. That does not sound like it was running in the background to me.

Good story. Except audio does continue to play from Safari in the background and when you lock the device.

Also having pushed notifications in the notification does not seem to me like multitasking. It is pushed information. The phones checks every few min to see if there is a notification. The app I speak of in always keeping up with the weather and updates the temp.

Like I said, it isn't accomplished the exact same way on an iOS device. Weather can always be available from the Notification Center. And third party apps can update their badge with the current temp using push notifications. (Not check every few minutes - push.)

Oh you mean those animations on the browser app he was running? Oh good I am going to go on an app and see how smooth these shapes role around on the screen every day. That is what I do with my life.

Like I said, you are willing to ignore any evidence that doesn't support your point. Obviously, graphics performance is important in a number of applications. You can continue to pretend that they don't exist though.

Oh I almost forgot the Nexus 4 has an LTE chip inside. Tmobile need to get a license for it when their LTE goes live, so who ever posted that the iphone 5 had LTE and nexus 5 did not gave false information.

I don't think an unsupported hack makes what the poster said "false information".

 

[Zerilos]

Safari running in the background what does it do? I know i was listening to a radio station on safari and when the screen would lock and go black the radio station would stop. i would have to unlock the phone and and push the play button to get it to start again. each time i would let the screen lock it would stop play. That does not sound like it was running in the background to me. Also having pushed notifications in the notification does not seem to me like multitasking. It is pushed information. The phones checks every few min to see if there is a notification. The app I speak of in always keeping up with the weather and updates the temp.

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Oh I almost forgot the Nexus 4 has an LTE chip inside. Tmobile need to get a license for it when their LTE goes live, so who ever posted that the iphone 5 had LTE and nexus 5 did not gave false information.

So if TMobile gets this license and if you live in one of the few markets with TMobile LTE you could use LTE on you Nexus 4. Earlier you mentioned that LTE wasn't worth mentioning as an iPhone 5 feature since there were still a few markets without LTE access. Again, I'm not saying you're being a hypocrite, but don't you feel that you're being very inconsistent with your arguments.

Is Google giving false information when they fail to mention LTE support as a N4 feature?

 

[Brounmoney]

Render websites? Is this a trick question?



Good story. Except audio does continue to play from Safari in the background and when you lock the device.



Like I said, it isn't accomplished the exact same way on an iOS device. Weather can always be available from the Notification Center. And third party apps can update their badge with the current temp using push notifications. (Not check every few minutes - push.)



Like I said, you are willing to ignore any evidence that doesn't support your point. Obviously, graphics performance is important in a number of applications. You can continue to pretend that they don't exist though.

Say you say good story, but explain why when the phones locks it want play the audio from safari the app you said was runny in the background?

"Like I said, you are willing to ignore any evidence that doesn't support your point. Obviously, graphics performance is important in a number of applications. You can continue to pretend that they don't exist though."

Ok so I think he played a game and guess what the phones were pretty closer were they not? Yea the iphone 5 was a little smoother, but it was not a land slide. Again that want take away from my experience seeing as how I do not play games on my iphone. If this is something you use daily then hey you win. Good for you.

So you keep talking out of the side of your mouth. You keep telling me that I want to ignore evidence that does not support my claim, but are you are doing the same thing when you post this a face rolling its eyes? You don't want to admit that other people made false claims do you? Whether the nexus 4 is using the LTE chip right now or not is not the point it has one. Someone claimed it did not. In some countries that did not have strong enough LTE Apple does not let the iphone 5 use the LTE. So I guess we could say the same about the iphone 5 in "some" of the countries.

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So if TMobile gets this license and if you live in one of the few markets with TMobile LTE you could use LTE on you Nexus 4. Earlier you mentioned that LTE wasn't worth mentioning as an iPhone 5 feature since there were still a few markets without LTE access. Again, I'm not saying you're being a hypocrite, but don't you feel that you're being very inconsistent with your arguments.

Is Google giving false information when they fail to mention LTE support as a N4 feature?

Yea I still think LTE is about a year to a year and half away from being what 3G was. I think google saw this and put a chip in but would not enable until tmobile was ready for LTE. Again I don't see it as a huge selling feature yet. It will be, but we just need to wait.

 

[Brounmoney]

"To ask Apple to depart from its tried-and-true user interface in favor
of something different, unique or (dare we say) revolutionary after
six years would be like asking a dentist to stop brushing his teeth.
The company is loathe to stray very far from its proven UI, and as a
result each subsequent iteration has felt like Apple checking off
missing features on a to-do list. If a time traveler went back to 2007
and showed off the iPhone as it looks today, Joe Cool off the street
would not only be able to tell it's running the same OS; he'd likely
be able to master it without any further instruction"
This was a quote from Engadget about iOS 6. Like I said before to those who question me about iOS changing in the last 6 years I am not the only one who believes this. This comes from a very popular tech blog and I am sure a lot of you read articles from them.

 

[Zerilos]

http://wmpoweruser.com/changewave-o...mer-satisfaction-higher-than-androids-in-usa/

Apple doesn't really have any desire to mess too much with the highest customer satisfaction rate. It is absolutely true that Android has features that iOS does not provide; however what the average user is looking for is very different than what you typical tech blogger might be looking for. iOS has always been about stability, efficiency and battery life. Apple should not sacrifice these strengths in the hope to gain users looking for a more laptop like experience. Again there are benefits to each OS, and Android has certain benefits and weaknesses not found in iOS.

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Say you say good story, but explain why when the phones locks it want play the audio from safari the app you said was runny in the background?

"Like I said, you are willing to ignore any evidence that doesn't support your point. Obviously, graphics performance is important in a number of applications. You can continue to pretend that they don't exist though."

Ok so I think he played a game and guess what the phones were pretty closer were they not? Yea the iphone 5 was a little smoother, but it was not a land slide. Again that want take away from my experience seeing as how I do not play games on my iphone. If this is something you use daily then hey you win. Good for you.

So you keep talking out of the side of your mouth. You keep telling me that I want to ignore evidence that does not support my claim, but are you are doing the same thing when you post this a face rolling its eyes? You don't want to admit that other people made false claims do you? Whether the nexus 4 is using the LTE chip right now or not is not the point it has one. Someone claimed it did not. In some countries that did not have strong enough LTE Apple does not let the iphone 5 use the LTE. So I guess we could say the same about the iphone 5 in "some" of the countries.

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Yea I still think LTE is about a year to a year and half away from being what 3G was. I think google saw this and put a chip in but would not enable until tmobile was ready for LTE. Again I don't see it as a huge selling feature yet. It will be, but we just need to wait.

Fact of the matter is, if you live in the USA and have an iPhone 5, then odds are pretty high you can use LTE. This is not the case with the N4. A year or two is an eternity when it comes to technology and there's no confirmation that Tmobile will ever get the certification required just to accommodate a single phone.

 

[BaldiMac]

Say you say good story, but explain why when the phones locks it want play the audio from safari the app you said was runny in the background?

Again, audio from Safari continues to play when it is in the background or the phone is locked.

Ok so I think he played a game and guess what the phones were pretty closer were they not? Yea the iphone 5 was a little smoother, but it was not a land slide. Again that want take away from my experience seeing as how I do not play games on my iphone. If this is something you use daily then hey you win. Good for you.

Graphics performance is not just for games. And we weren't talking about your personal experience.

So you keep talking out of the side of your mouth. You keep telling me that I want to ignore evidence that does not support my claim, but are you are doing the same thing when you post this a face rolling its eyes? You don't want to admit that other people made false claims do you? Whether the nexus 4 is using the LTE chip right now or not is not the point it has one. Someone claimed it did not. In some countries that did not have strong enough LTE Apple does not let the iphone 5 use the LTE. So I guess we could say the same about the iphone 5 in "some" of the countries.

I didn't ignore anything. No one claimed it does not have an LTE chip. The fact that you can hack the phone to enable LTE doesn't change the fact that it doesn't support LTE. Or are we counting hacks as features now? Because jailbreaking an iPhone removes a lot of your advantages for Android.

 

[Brounmoney]

http://wmpoweruser.com/changewave-o...mer-satisfaction-higher-than-androids-in-usa/

Apple doesn't really have any desire to mess too much with the highest customer satisfaction rate. It is absolutely true that Android has features that iOS does not provide; however what the average user is looking for is very different than what you typical tech blogger might be looking for. iOS has always been about stability, efficiency and battery life. Apple should not sacrifice these strengths in the hope to gain users looking for a more laptop like experience. Again there are benefits to each OS, and Android has certain benefits and weaknesses not found in iOS.

I think also with that poll of people not being satisfied with android is because it is not universal. I think the dumbest thing google ever did was allow who ever wanted to create an android phone could, and use there own UIs just dumb. It really confuses people and when a new OS for android comes out half the companies don't update the phones. That is why when I have an android phone it is an nexus.

 

[BaldiMac]

"To ask Apple to depart from its tried-and-true user interface in favor
of something different, unique or (dare we say) revolutionary after
six years would be like asking a dentist to stop brushing his teeth.
The company is loathe to stray very far from its proven UI, and as a
result each subsequent iteration has felt like Apple checking off
missing features on a to-do list. If a time traveler went back to 2007
and showed off the iPhone as it looks today, Joe Cool off the street
would not only be able to tell it's running the same OS; he'd likely
be able to master it without any further instruction"
This was a quote from Engadget about iOS 6. Like I said before to those who question me about iOS changing in the last 6 years I am not the only one who believes this. This comes from a very popular tech blog and I am sure a lot of you read articles from them.

So, somehow, a consistent, easy to use interface is a negative to you. And somehow proves that the underlying OS hasn't changed much. Hmm.

 

[Brounmoney]

Again, audio from Safari continues to play when it is in the background or the phone is locked.

So explain to me why my audio stop after the phone locked?

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I didn't ignore anything. No one claimed it does not have an LTE chip. The fact that you can hack the phone to enable LTE doesn't change the fact that it doesn't support LTE. Or are we counting hacks as features now? Because jailbreaking an iPhone removes a lot of your advantages for Android.

No we want count hacks, but the nexus 4 LTE is working in Canada without hacking the device. I don't call going into the setting and enabling something hacking do you?

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If you want AT&T (the only of the big 3 carriers in the US who support the Nexus 4), the Nexus 4 is $100 more expensive than the iPhone 5 ($150 more expensive if you want to match the 16GB that the iPhone 5 comes with standard), while again being significantly less powerful, and slower without LTE.

I believe he did say without LTE did he not?