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I don't think they are running out of ideas, I think the feature diets in recent versions of OS X are down to the products marketing rather than anything else.

To sell a 'major' OS X update pretty much every year for the $20 or so Apple decides to sell them at, they can't possibly cram the software with features as the economics just don't work out.

With Apple's general shift to iOS over the past few years, OS X has had to suffer. So what they're doing is putting less features (or porting iOS features) into interations of OS X but charing a lot less for the product.
 
Totally agree.

Since Apple has spent so much time on developing iOS and the infrastructure for the App Stores, they have totally left out fundamental new ideas in the area of base technologies.

Filesystem (clustered with "cloud" support)

Drivers (Mac once was capable of driving external hardware, nowadays noone cares anymore if it's not USB carp)

Graphics Techoloogy (No real advances in OpenGL, Quartz is years old, no real resolution independence)

What I call "mobile identity", don't migrate files, migrate abstract profiles to different devices.

Apple has told us so often that fileszstems are outdated, but the only thing they come up with is blobs in an sqlite database hidden on every volume.

Networked Spotlight, I mean the real thing, Internet enabled.

IPv6 private networks whereever you are.
Back To My Mac was a great idea, but they dropped it because of interface gimmicks.

I could go on for hours. There's no innovation at all regarding the core system.

Only shinnier hardware specs and people telling us we don't need to cahnge anything because next year we buy the latest crap anyways.

I own a MacPro and will keep it until hell freezes over.

Amen, whoever started that topic, yeah absolutly right.
Apple is loosing it.

(I will NEVER buy that Retina MBP.... NEVER... And I have a job and could afford it)

This is nonsensical rambling.
 
Its not about running out of ideas, its about quicker more incremental updates. You don't want to have an OS that is making drastic changes every version. Yearly smaller releases are a damn good thing.

If you want chaos in your OS upgrades, switch to Windows.
 
Translation = "I know better than Apple how to run Apple's business and they aren't doing it the way I think they should"

WRONG. The translation is: "I am pissed at cash-rich Apple because they are currently unable or unwilling to dedicate a few additional resources for PROPER development of Mac OS X; instead, what they call innovation means integration of frivolous iOS features."
 
Translation = "I know better than Apple how to run Apple's business and they aren't doing it the way I think they should"

I think that's about it.

Well, not that we can't all have ideas or suggestions. But Apple seems to be doing pretty well with the way they've been doing things. :rolleyes:
 
WRONG. The translation is: "I am pissed at cash-rich Apple because they are currently unable or unwilling to dedicate a few additional resources for PROPER development of Mac OS X; instead, what they call innovation means integration of frivolous iOS features."

Translation = same as above
 
Translation = "I know better than Apple how to run Apple's business and they aren't doing it the way I think they should"

Nope; he makes some sense. I'm sure lots of tech companies thought they had the best idea that would last forever...until they didn't. Apple itself broke the mold when it designed a new and superior interface for mobile devices.

Computer hardware has changed as well, particularly in the area of networking. Someone is going to come up with a new interface, and pmau has pointed to technologies that could push a new change in the interface.

Apple got where it is on the back of mobile devices, not Macs. Yeah, I love their machines, but the Finder etc is like what, 20 years old? How long are we gonna keep using the "desktop" as a metaphor? Crap, I know people that never even use folders and "desktops" at work anymore...isn't it time we moved on?
 
Ideas are plentiful. However the real question is "how many ideas do we have in the pipeline that are easy to explain to consumers?"

Revamped finder. Not gonna happen folks.

What we're seeing now is the gradual replacement of old technologies. Moving into a 64-bit future with Cocoa.

I think most complaining do not realize the amount of work it has taken to move from a two headed hydra that was Carbon and Cocoa to what we have today which is primarily Cocoa but there is still much Carbon stuff.

Apple did it without your computer blowing up or the majority of your apps failing.

They've revamped the video foundation OS X. Lion is the first OS X version to support AV Foundation replacing Quicktime as the source for modern codecs.

They've replaced Mach for interprocess communications with a modern equivalent.

They are 90% done with replacing the GCC compiler which is older than many on these boards.

Apple employs some of the brightest people in the world. It's a bit of a stretch to say this collection of all stars has somehow run out of ideas. Even the Retina MBP shows that Apple has a lot of clever employees that know how to work around roadblocks.

The real battle going forward is going to be YOUR ability to understand the smaller ripples in the water because those will get larger the close they come to shore.
 
Ideas are plentiful. However the real question is "how many ideas do we have in the pipeline that are easy to explain to consumers?"

Revamped finder. Not gonna happen folks.

What we're seeing now is the gradual replacement of old technologies. Moving into a 64-bit future with Cocoa.

I think most complaining do not realize the amount of work it has taken to move from a two headed hydra that was Carbon and Cocoa to what we have today which is primarily Cocoa but there is still much Carbon stuff.

Apple did it without your computer blowing up or the majority of your apps failing.

They've revamped the video foundation OS X. Lion is the first OS X version to support AV Foundation replacing Quicktime as the source for modern codecs.

They've replaced Mach for interprocess communications with a modern equivalent.

They are 90% done with replacing the GCC compiler which is older than many on these boards.

Apple employs some of the brightest people in the world. It's a bit of a stretch to say this collection of all stars has somehow run out of ideas. Even the Retina MBP shows that Apple has a lot of clever employees that know how to work around roadblocks.

The real battle going forward is going to be YOUR ability to understand the smaller ripples in the water because those will get larger the close they come to shore.

I swear, some of the people complaining about Mountain Lion and its "lack of features" would be praising it if had a new theme slapped on.
 
Thanks to all the people who did not turn down my ramblings as crap.

If you would at least consider history, namely the switch to Intel and the introduction of Tiger and Leopard that included all these great underlying technologies.

Think about the introduction of Objective-C, the 64-bit transition and all of the frameworks that enabled great applications.

You might have to admit that Snow Leopard has been the last real OS update on the Desktop.

Remember the possible inclusion of ZFS.

Recall that Back To My Mac opened the possibility to have a plug-and-play IPv6 enabled private network that would connect all your devices.

It was an iPv6 tunnel that would put all your devices in one virtual network, wherever you would be. It was slow and unreliable but the idea was brilliant.

If you think about that a little further you might see what todays iCloud might have become.

They removed keychain syncing, re-introduced documents in the cloud although they already had iDisk. Just to limit file sharing between applications to the same bundle identifier.

If you now think of an abstract and versioned storage that would enable you to really share all your data even on iOS, you probably understand part of my rambling.

Look at FileVault and Logical Volumes, they stopped working on that.
It has the potential to distribute storage across multiple media, encrypt it and make it fault tolerant by dynamically adding and removing volumes.

You can check this by looking at the diskutil commands.

But Apple sacrificed most of their technological advances they had it this time just to further limit what people could do.

There has been a lot of potential, but for the last two OSX releases Apple stopped at the "good enough" side of things.

It's mostly gimmicks and the support for new shiny hardware.

At least that's my opinion.
And now I'll shut up.

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What we're seeing now is the gradual replacement of old technologies. Moving into a 64-bit future with Cocoa.

I think most complaining do not realize the amount of work it has taken to move from a two headed hydra that was Carbon and Cocoa to what we have today which is primarily Cocoa but there is still much Carbon stuff.

Apple did it without your computer blowing up or the majority of your apps failing.

They've revamped the video foundation OS X. Lion is the first OS X version to support AV Foundation replacing Quicktime as the source for modern codecs.

They've replaced Mach for interprocess communications with a modern equivalent.

They are 90% done with replacing the GCC compiler which is older than many on these boards.

Apple employs some of the brightest people in the world. It's a bit of a stretch to say this collection of all stars has somehow run out of ideas. Even the Retina MBP shows that Apple has a lot of clever employees that know how to work around roadblocks.

The real battle going forward is going to be YOUR ability to understand the smaller ripples in the water because those will get larger the close they come to shore.

Thank you, by the time I've seen your post, I already wrote my last stupid response.

You seem to be one of only a few who understand what I'm trying to express here.

Thanks.

EDIT: QuickTime X was introduced in Snow-Leopard
XPC is not a replacement for mach but for sandboxing and privilege separation.
GCD was also introduced in SL
Therefore my opinion about SL being the last major update.
 
www.patentlyapple.com

Just look at the patents, you guys have no idea the crazy things coming down the road when you combine a bunch of these.

Out of ideas? Pfft. The whole entire industry is just waiting for manufacturing processes to catch up.
 
The value of the upgrade is directly related to how much YOU need the changes. If your not *needing* anything provided by ML stay where your at, be happy and dont buy it.


If ML syncs iWork between my iPad and iMac then that alone will make ML the best upgrade EVER (to me) because that is one function I really need.
 
Totally agree.

Since Apple has spent so much time on developing iOS and the infrastructure for the App Stores, they have totally left out fundamental new ideas in the area of base technologies. ~snip~

The people at Apple can't be rolling out some new but halfbaked fundamental technology (for people immediately to ROAST them for releasing it at all, yes?) during every gadget cycle.

That doesn't mean they're not working hard to innovate on basics, to experiment, to improve on what's out there. We might not see results of their efforts on improving fundamentals for three to five years, in the marketplace. We might never see some of them.

R&D on fundamentals is like that. One must take what shows promise for the future, leave what cannot be wrapped up in the apparent window of oppportunity, and move on.

One can't stop time and polish every design to prototype, nor profit very long from rushing unworthy products to market.

I would say that goes double or triple for fundamentals like battery technology, compilers, file system or OS architecture. It's one thing to bring the wrong shiny toy to market next October. It's a much bigger deal to put recycled cardboard i-beams under your next OS and then hear your marketing team promise that it will even work underwater.

The planet slows down long enough to admire this or that thing for awhile. That's the window. It takes prodigious amounts of talent, effort, discipline to roll out in timely fashion --- in that window-- a market-worthy new method of porting data, connecting devices, transferring energy from a source to a power-hungry device, etc. That's because one must also keep an eye on what end users are doing and looking for. That drives the bus, not only for the gadgets they crave but for the underpinnings that make those gadgets possible. It's some achievement to bring out new fundamentals that can serve the ever moving target of development designed for end users.

Thanks to people working away behind the scenes while most of us were still creatively cursing the voodoo of SCSI termination, we have meanwhile ended up with Firewire and USB and Thunderbolt. Who knows what technologies were explored and abandoned in the meantime? Some of those guys were trying to bring a better SCSI. Some of them keyed on fundamental limitations and said "To heck with that, let's try this." That's part of the process. It's thankless, often enough, and it doesn't get keynote recognition, but it is what gives us the foundations of our next great stuff.

So really, I don't see how we can assess what Apple's working on in the way of fundamentals based on what we see roll out for iOS or mobile devices or even updates on the larger gear.

Also, the level of juicy speculation around MacRumors on where technological underpinnings are going will never be as high as that for the next gadget. Most of us are not going to wade very far into the geek bayous to find out what wild thing Apple's next compiler is finally going to feature.

Finally, as is often said, the people who know aren't spending a lot of time talking. They're in a design review session trying to remember that the job is to rip the wheels off the design before it makes prototype stage, not attack each other personally. Or they're building the prototype. Or they're debugging something for the 87th time this weekend. It's happening. Whatever Apple is doing, it's not resting on the laurels of past OS, past filesystem, past anything. It's designing, building, extending, questioning, going again, shifting gears, being its own toughest critic. That's a big part of what makes what they bring to market worth considering.
 
Apple doesn't work in a haphazard way. When Steve Jobs returned to Apple in 1997 he brought some brilliant people with him from NeXT, the company & software Apple bought and which is the foundation for OSX. I wouldn't be surprised if SJ & Co didn't have ideas of how to replace OS9 on the Mac whilst still at NeXT.

Once SJ was appointed Interim CEO of Apple, he probably unlocked his secret vault and dusted off the road-map for the development of OSX and possibly even outlines and brainstorming notes for iOS (timeframe for the completed prototype is somewhere between 2002 & 2004 so it must have been in development even as Newton was being killed-off). Both OSes have one thing in common: they were trickle-fed to the consumer over a period of time as and when new features were thrashed to death and met with SJ's and Apple's strict guidelines. Apple could have waited (always on the verge of extinction) for a number of years and given us a more complete OSX with all the bells & whistles in 2005 or 2006 or 2007, but then Apple wouldn't be where it is today: the most valuable technology company in the world.

OSX is maturing, or has now matured -- it is like the wise old man who has gained wide knowledge & experience and you can't teach him very much more. It is the most elegant, most simple and most stable OS I have used -- I can't see anyone coming out with something so revolutionary that it will dump Apple & OSX in the gutter, unless it comes from within Apple itself. Also, I can't see OSX becoming a clone of iOS -- developing an OS which caters efficiently and equally for mouse-clicks and touch screen will be very difficult -- that's why we have the Magic TrackPad -- it allows you to do everything on the Mac that you can do in iOS.

The real revolution will come when the new magical TV (the little box or full-blown TV, whichever Apple chooses) is unveiled -- just imagine: Apps on your TV, social networking, surfing, email etc., etc. all available on your plasma/LCD screen, all controlled from your iDevice.
 
How does it feel to be that kind of a person that wonders if a company's future doomed? I've never experienced it myself, even though companies aren't innovating I am still able to see areas that are ready for the next wave of revolutions.
 
It does, the theme is called "iOS crap". :rolleyes:

Notification Center
Messages
iCloud integration
Dictation
AirPlay Mirroring
Multitouch
Push Notifications
Resume
Real full screen

I'm very happy to have that "iOS crap" in OS X.
 
I have used every version of OSX except the beta and have both purchased a new computer with each version pre-installed as well as upgrading computers I already had to each upgrade. I've used them all extensively.

I'd have to say that Tiger "felt" like the biggest leap forward on all versions of OSX when I got it. It just seemed huge and amazing Snow Leopard has felt like the "fastest" or most "stable" version to me.

With that being said; I feel that OSX is a very mature operating system that doesn't have room for as many big jumps as it had before. Having your data all the time with you (phones, tablets, notebooks) is the fad in computers and technology right now. I think Apple is going in the right direction trying to get all of these things seamlessly integrated with as little user involvement as possible.

These are yearly updates for $20-$30. So I don't expect $150 worth of features and 2 years in between OS's any longer.
 
pmau said:
Back To My Mac was a great idea, but they dropped it because of interface gimmicks.

What on earth are you talking about? Back to my mac works just fine.
 
How would you know? I'd bet dollars to donuts that you don't have a clue.

Do you actually believe that people threw away their old mission-critical files?

But I digress... You still have not supported your contention that Leopard was the biggest leap in MacOS X. It is worth noting that no one has yet supported your contention.

In his defense, this isn't the sort of statement that requires defense. It's not really a contention, just an opinion, and one that's very relevant.

I skipped Leopard, so going from Tiger to SL was the biggest leap for me. For many users, Leopard introduced new features that they made daily use of, hence a major leap. I expect ML will bring a few small things that will change my daily use of my Mac, so I have more reason to be excited about this week's launch than a lot of people who don't expect to make much use of the new features. That's just how it is when users have so many different uses for their Macs.

You (MisterMe) need to realize that the vast majority of OS X users don't care at all about the changes you "cited" in your response. Ditching Classic? Maybe it was important to you, but more people will find the naming change from "iCal" to "Calendar" a more significant change.
 
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