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Is gaming on 24" that bad?

AlexisV said:
I'd say that was a pretty inaccurate summary personally.

Have a look at a 2600 review from the other week: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/the-radeon-2600xt-remixed,review-29624-11.html

It's pretty much on a par with the GeForce 8600GT.
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I believe you're not a gamer or never had a good gfx card on your hands...

Does that review card have the clocks we have on the mac? No 600Mhz GPU mac version VS 800Mhz GPU (memory is close enough).
Did you see any test above 1600x1200? No
Where do you see the card getting good fps? 2 year old games!
Can you play below 25-30 fps? No (unless you like slide shows)

And for being on par with the 8600GT... What do I care? The 8600GT is a lame ass gaming card also.

Thank you for supporting my idea with your post :cool:
 
And for being on par with the 8600GT... What do I care? The 8600GT is a lame ass gaming card also.

Thank you for supporting my idea with your post
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Ah, so you're the kind of person who blows $400 on a new card every 2 years?

nVidia and your bank manager must love you.

I also think you'll find NFS Carbon came out 11 months ago. Hardly an ancient game.

Which leads me to two questions. If no Mac has a good enough GPU in your opinion, what's the point of even posting about games on here? Go to a PC forum.

And secondly, why did you pay the extra for your HD2600 Mac when it has a lame GPU in it?
 
AlexisV said:
Ah, so you're the kind of person who blows $400 on a new card every 2 years?

nVidia and your bank manager must love you.

I also think you'll find NFS Carbon came out 11 months ago. Hardly an ancient game.

Which leads me to two questions. If no Mac has a good enough GPU in your opinion, what's the point of even posting about games on here? Go to a PC forum.

And secondly, why did you pay the extra for your HD2600 Mac when it has a lame GPU in it?
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1st - I don't blow $400 every 2 years on a card. I spend $500 every year.

2nd - nVidia may not love me... always bought the best product no matter if nvidia or ati. ATM i got a GTX, but before I had a x1900xtx.maybe now ati hates me...

3rd - NFS came out 11 months ago...this card can run some games at the expense of IQ.

4th - The iMac that uses the "even worse-horrible-terrible-for-gaming" hd2400 comes with a 2Ghz c2d and 400Mhz difference makes some difference editing in FC (don't give a crap on exporting), plus it comes handy to play cod2 without turning the pc on.

5th - If you don't have nothing useful to say, don't say anything. (oh, I saw in thg a test bla bla bla...) Orange to apples...

Why do I come here to post? Because I love macs and know what I am talking about, unlike you who knows nothing and posts crap. I came here and gave my opinion to the thread starter. I know also that macs are not made for gaming, they just can run some games, and if u have a mac pro with the (expensive and outdated) x1900xt, better.

PS. I post on pc forums also and I have an open mind when it comes mac vs pc crap.
 
1st - I don't blow $400 every 2 years on a card. I spend $500 every year.
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Which would infer that a) you're a mug and b) you are an adult who earns a bit of money.

5th - If you don't have nothing useful to say, don't say anything. (oh, I saw in thg a test bla bla bla...) Orange to apples...

Why do I come here to post? Because I love macs and know what I am talking about, unlike you who knows nothing and posts crap.
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Which then makes me wonder why you post like a 13 year old pre-pubescent?

There's a whole world out there my friend. Brush up on those social skills and maybe you can leave the confines of your bedroom and $500 graphics card and bag yourself a girlfriend
;-)
 
AlexisV said:
Which would infer that a) you're a mug and b) you are an adult who earns a bit of money.



Which then makes me wonder why you post like a 13 year old pre-pubescent?

There's a whole world out there my friend. Brush up on those social skills and maybe you can leave the confines of your bedroom and $500 graphics card and bag yourself a girlfriend
;-)
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Well, unfortunately I spend most of my time in my office (at home). I do photo and video editing and I have something to do while exporting movies (gaming it is).

I already have a girlfriend... if that matters to you.

My social skills are brushed up, maybe you just can't handle real opinions from who knows what he is talking about.

Maybe my english is not the best and sometimes I find hard to express myself in the better way. But I would like to se you write or speak a foreign language like I am doing now.
Cheers
 
Instead of trying to put your point across eliquently, you've just resorted to insults, which I don't know is related to you as a person, or your language issues.

I didn't want an argument, but you can't go around saying people know nothing and 'post crap'.

My other post was a bit tongue in cheek, but I think it's a little lost on you.

Let's just leave it, ok?
 
AlexisV said:
Which would infer that a) you're a mug and b) you are an adult who earns a bit of money.
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Sorry but if spending £250 in a year on something you enjoy makes you a mug, then there must be a hell of a lot of mugs out there?? :rolleyes:

Plenty of people spend £200-300 a year on different consoles and then £30-50 a go on games, compare that with £20-35 for a PC game??

£250 a year is what £20 a month....big deal a paper round would pay for that...
 
Buying a new high end graphics card every 12 months is a false economy and a £250 card will happily run new games for 24, maybe 36 months. And of course, you have the possible bottle neck of the CPU, memory, motherboard etc.

The once a year upgrade habit is not a cheap way to go about things, and a tad excessive in my humble opinion.

Games are another matter - they're the whole purpose of having the rig in the first place. But then of course you have got the cost of the games on top as you've said. If you spend £250 a year on a GPU and buy 5 games at £30, your £30 a game becomes £80.

So you're paying 166% extra per game and paying 26% for the game and 74% for the privilege of running the thing!

Of course, you can spend your money how you like, but I'm sure you'll agree it's mugs who pay £1000 for the first Blu Ray player and £600 for a brand new GeForce card.
 
Let's be real here. Sorry about that "post crap" thing. I just said it because you didn't make a point when disagreed with me.

About spending a lot on on cards... well it's a fetish that I have since I started playing 3D games on computers. I could have bought a mac pro with the optional x1900xt or a used dual G5. Several more cores would get my job done a lot faster, but just exporting them though. And having an outdated and expensive card as the better option to play games...Since I spend so much in my pc, the iMac was a wise choice when it comes to price/performance ratio in FC, PS, aperture and so on... The 24" was calling me, but since I have a full HD tv screen also, the €300 more would be a waste to preview the HD work.

About spending € on pc games... well, call me what you want, but demonoid and thepiratebay serve me well enough. I just buy software for the mac, since I love the company and want them to increase the market share so we can have more competition and lower prices... PC stuff, I'll go to the "online demonoid store". :D
Peace
 
I am really thinking about dumping vista and moving back to XP for a performance boost.

Any thoughts on this? Did you see any improvement over 7.9? I installed Crysis with horrible results. I am downloading UT3 and COD4 demo's now and hope to have better results with these.
 
well, it depends if you like bioshock:)

Bioshock is the only game that runs faster in dx10 than in dx9. But for all other games, forget dx10, you gotta play in dx9 mode because this card just can't handle them. dx10 is too "green" and it needs a lot of work, gtx, ultras and hd2900 are struggling with dx10, so, an underclocked hd2600xt won't play anything; just bioshock at the moment. Don't forget that some next gen games will only run in vista, even if you only want to play in dx9 mode like ALAN Wake.
Crysis and COD4 are coming with too high minimum system requirements. Time will tell...

7.10 driver brought some improvements, but the major gains are crossfire oriented and some bug corrections.

bottom line: if you have to pay for xp, keep vista; if not, keep the two copies to try them out.;)
 
PMR said:
well, it depends if you like bioshock:)

Bioshock is the only game that runs faster in dx10 than in dx9. But for all other games, forget dx10, you gotta play in dx9 mode because this card just can't handle them. dx10 is too "green" and it needs a lot of work, gtx, ultras and hd2900 are struggling with dx10, so, an underclocked hd2600xt won't play anything; just bioshock at the moment. Don't forget that some next gen games will only run in vista, even if you only want to play in dx9 mode like ALAN Wake.
Crysis and COD4 are coming with too high minimum system requirements. Time will tell...

7.10 driver brought some improvements, but the major gains are crossfire oriented and some bug corrections.

bottom line: if you have to pay for xp, keep vista; if not, keep the two copies to try them out.;)
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Nice im so happy to see COD 4 is running good anyone try the new unreal 4 demo?!?
 
I was considering a 24" iMac but now I'm more confused. I don't feel like I have to have all the settings maxed out but I certainly want to be able to play Crysis without stuttering. :eek:
 
skinnylegs said:
I was considering a 24" iMac but now I'm more confused. I don't feel like I have to have all the settings maxed out but I certainly want to be able to play Crysis without stuttering. :eek:
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I didn't want to scare anyone with my initial comments about this card, but let's be real. I've always been used to powerful gfx cards, so I was disappointed with the inclusion of an underclocked hd 2600xt on imacs. I didn't manage to dl crysis beta yet, but it seems that the game is pretty heavy even in dx9 and with low settings. GRAW2 is impossible to play at 1680x1050 will all settings set at minimum. I've been able to play all other games at 1680x1050/14400x900 at medium/low settings always without forcing objects/people shadows. I was surprised when I dl COD4 demo and played it at 16580x1050, medium/high without shadows and without AA and AF.
But sorry, I don't believe you'll run crysis at 1920x1200 at medium/low in dx9.
Try to find someone who tried the beta with a HD2600Pro/XTddr3 and ask how it ran.
 
I really appreciate your comments, PMR.

I love OS X and iMacs and I'm really fighting buying a new PC. However, I love my games and if the iMac can't get it done, so be it. It seems that the 24" iMac will play *most* of the current crop of games at acceptable frame rates. I've seen a number of YouTube videos showing CoD4 (demo), Bioshock and UT3 (demo) playing relatively smoothly which is encouraging. However, bigger and better things (in terms of games) are just around the corner and it's looking like the iMac may not be able to keep up.

This question may be a bit off topic but you're a gamer and I'd love to hear your thoughts. Have you noticed a difference in mouse response on your Mac as opposed to your PC. I don't know how to describe it other than to say it has a much different "feel."
 
About the mouse I can't say exactly what I feel, but it feels a little different. Nothing that bothers though. Recently I bought the MS Habu gaming mouse and I use USB Overdrive to configure the mouse in OSX and use the ported drivers from OSX in XP Bootcamp. The mouse is awesome, but in XP the laser sensor stalls when you move it very slowly, so photoshop in XP with the HABU is a NO GO. It works flawlessly in OSX.

But seriously, if you want to play the upcoming titles without headaches, PCs are the way to go. Pair an E6750 with a GTX and you got at least for more 6 months. The only draw back is XP/Vista :(

Let's see:

E6750 - $195
MSI 8800GTX - $459 after MIR
Seagate 320Gb - $70
Corsair 667Mhz 2Gb - $50
P5N-E SLI - $125
Antec 550W - $90
Lite On DVD - $26
Case - ~$75

Total - $1090 without display, kb and mouse.
 
Yeah....I'm seeing your logic. I will always be an Apple 'kinda guy but I think I'll stick with a PC for getting my game on.

I'm not much of a builder so I generally buy pre-built systems. Best Buy has an open item Micro Velocity rig for $999 that was originally $1399. It is similar in specs. to the config. you listed with the exception of an nVidia 8600 GT as opposed to an 8800 GTX. I understand the 8800 GTX is a far-superior card but the 8600 GT will more than get the job done for now and I can always swap it out when the mood strikes me. :) I *used* to swap out GPU's as each bigger and better card became available because gaming was my thing and I had the resources to do so. Also, if I'm not mistaken the 8600 GT is a much better gaming card then the 2600 PRO so I don't really think I can lose?
 
Although I am from Portugal, from what I've red through the web in the past few years I know Best Buy is not a reliable store regarding consumer support. A pre built system may be good, and better if you aren't too handy with hardware.
Believe it or not, the HD2600Pro (underclocked XT or overclocked Pro, as you want) that comes with the iMac and with catalyst 7.9 or 7.10 is pretty much on par and sometimes is even faster than the 8600GT. So, the best point on getting that pc is the upgradeability options in the future. But remember, if you get a better gfx card, please make sure the power supply has enough amperage on the 12v rails to keep the system running (watts don't matter, you gotta know the Amps, google it).
I have no problems guiding you through it if you want.

Scruze my Engrish!:D

Edit- I just saw the machine. It looks good, with integrated OS and all. The only thing that isn't listed it's the motherboard, and if you are an overclocker... But it should be good enough since it supports 1333fsb, has firewire and e-sata, another pcie x16 (sli(nvidia) or crossfire(intel p35)????)

2nd Edit - A bigger gfx card (8800GTX (maybe GT and GTS), HD2900Pro/GT/XT...) won't fit in that case, it'll hit the hdd bays.
 
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