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Possibly a day before the Mac Pro 2019 release, Apple still sells a maxed out 2013 Mac Pro for US$6599. Over 5-year-old hardware. Does Apple have in place a return system for the poor old customers who are not as well informed as we are in this forum, to return their Mac Pro (if recently bought) when the new one comes out?

Obviously their reason to keep it up there is so that nobody will know when the new Mac Pro is coming out but I think it's damn right disgusting to sell a 1991-days-old (today) Mac Pro potentially a day before a refresh.

Maybe a new Mac Pro isn't coming out for another year or two (unlikely because Apple promised it would be released this year two years ago) but why still so expensive for this piece of crap!?
 
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It's more criminal what they charge for e.g. RAM upgrades on all their computers.

Someone else designs and manufactures the RAM modules, then Apple puts an astronomical markup on them without adding any value.
 
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It's more criminal what they charge for e.g. RAM upgrades on all their computers.

Someone else designs and manufactures the RAM modules, then Apple puts an astronomical markup on them without adding any value.
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! ... I never knew. That's sickening.
 
Possibly a day before the Mac Pro 2019 release, Apple still sells a maxed out 2013 Mac Pro for US$6599. Over 5-year-old hardware. Does Apple have in place a return system for the poor old customers who are not as well informed as we are in this forum, to return their Mac Pro (if recently bought) when the new one comes out?

Obviously their reason to keep it up there is so that nobody will know when the new Mac Pro is coming out but I think it's damn right disgusting to sell a 1991-days-old (today) Mac Pro potentially a day before a refresh.

Maybe a new Mac Pro isn't coming out for another year or two (unlikely because Apple promised it would be released this year two years ago) but why still so expensive for this piece of crap!?

Criminal? No. Mind-boggling? Yes.
 
Possibly a day before the Mac Pro 2019 release, Apple still sells a maxed out 2013 Mac Pro for US$6599. Over 5-year-old hardware. Does Apple have in place a return system for the poor old customers who are not as well informed as we are in this forum, to return their Mac Pro (if recently bought) when the new one comes out?

Obviously their reason to keep it up there is so that nobody will know when the new Mac Pro is coming out but I think it's damn right disgusting to sell a 1991-days-old (today) Mac Pro potentially a day before a refresh.

Maybe a new Mac Pro isn't coming out for another year or two (unlikely because Apple promised it would be released this year two years ago) but why still so expensive for this piece of crap!?

That is their discounted price. 5 years ago it was $9600 when released: https://www.macworld.com/article/20...w-much-youll-pay-for-a-maxed-out-mac-pro.html
 
One possible reason that old stuff never gets a discount is that most people hang on to their gear for several years. If  made it a habit to have sales and price cuts near the end of a product's life, most people would wait until the price cut kicked in before buying new gear. Essentially they'd sell most of their gear at a discount cuz most people would just wait for the sale.
So no discounts
 
Possibly a day before the Mac Pro 2019 release, Apple still sells a maxed out 2013 Mac Pro for US$6599. Over 5-year-old hardware. Does Apple have in place a return system for the poor old customers who are not as well informed as we are in this forum, to return their Mac Pro (if recently bought) when the new one comes out?

Obviously their reason to keep it up there is so that nobody will know when the new Mac Pro is coming out but I think it's damn right disgusting to sell a 1991-days-old (today) Mac Pro potentially a day before a refresh.

Maybe a new Mac Pro isn't coming out for another year or two (unlikely because Apple promised it would be released this year two years ago) but why still so expensive for this piece of crap!?

Criminal, no, they are a commercial enterprise after all.

But, Greedy? Perhaps, yes.
 
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Like it or not, capitalism is very much dependent on the "buyer beware" philosophy. Apple can charge any amount they want for non-essential goods and services, and as long as the price is made fully transparent and the product performs as advertised, it's solely the buyer's responsibility to determine if it's a worthwhile purchase.

Essential goods and services within the Apple ecosystem (eg. monopolizing the iOS App Store or forcing higher fees on developers) are another matter worthy of debate though.
 
No doubt the 6,1 will depreciate like a falling rock once the 7,1 arrives. The current Mac Mini is already knocking on its door performance wise, and it has TB3. Really only the RAM ceiling holding it back.
 
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No doubt the 6,1 will depreciate like a falling rock once the 7,1 arrives.
Hopefully! Would love to get that nice design at an even nicer price for light server & all-round duty at home. If only those GPU-related problems could be finally solved ...
 
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Given that at least one customer- MacStadium- is still buying them by the thousands, I doubt a price reduction was ever contemplated.
 
In a free market, prices are NEVER "criminal" nor "greedy." In the case of Apple, they are bafflingly high sometimes, but there are sound economic reasons for this, whether you like them or not.

1) The value of any consumer good is entirely subjective and is determined solely by the value a buying consumer ascribes to it. If some consumers with deep pockets believe that a $6k desktop with a feature set from 2013 is a reasonable proposition, that's the correct price. Evidently SOME consumers are still paying those high prices, which is why Apple isn't lowering them. That's what the market is saying. Either that, or Apple has only a few hundred units left and they can afford to wait for those deep-pocketed fans to pony up the dough–but this is still something of a game of "chicken," as those ashtray MPs aren't getting any faster sitting on a shelf in a warehouse.

2) No one is forced at gunpoint to buy a Mac.
Every single transaction that has made Apple a nearly TRILLION dollar company was, is, and will always be a VOLUNTARY one. Apple customers believe that things like TCO, a positive user experience, and other such considerations are worth paying substantially more than less expensive competing products which use similar technologies. Only when Mac users, en masse, defect from the platform in economically significant numbers will Apple either lower prices or find other ways to add more value to bring their consumers back. That really isn't happening, so prices remain right where they are.

3) Apple is not immune to the economics of competition.
If another company offered a better value and an overall better user experience, consistently, for a lower price, Apple would have to respond quickly to such competition or whither away. Remember when Nokia was king of the cell phone market? Remember when the go-to smart phone was a Blackberry? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

4) Corporations aren't charities. They offer products and services for a price they think consumers will be willingly to pay, and value their customer's cash over the value of their products/services they offer, or they wouldn't sell them. Consumers are equally convinced that the product or service they're buying is worth MORE to them than their cash, or they wouldn't make the purchase. The entire transaction, by definition, is entirely VOLUNTARY and WIN-WIN.

IMO, "criminal" and "greedy" just edgy epithets some people use to mask the fact that they are simply whining about how they can't have what they want, when they want it, because they can't afford it. You can't have an ashtray MP for a bargain price, even though they are woefully outdated? Boo-hoo. Life is certainly unfair, isn't it? Criminal, greedy, evil Apple isn't willing to participate in your wish fulfillment–how dare they stomp on your dreams by obeying the basic economic principles of pricing and supply and demand! The nerve!
 
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In a free market, prices are NEVER "criminal" nor "greedy." In the case of Apple, they are bafflingly high sometimes, but there are sound economic reasons for this, whether you like them or not. The

1) The value of any consumer good is entirely subjective and is determined solely by the value a buying consumer ascribes to it. If some consumers with deep pockets believe that a $6k desktop with a feature set from 2013 is a reasonable proposition, that's the correct price. Evidently SOME consumers are still paying those high prices, which is why Apple isn't lowering them. That's what the market is saying. Either that, or Apple has only a few hundred units left and they can afford to wait for those deep-pocketed fans to pony up the dough–but this is still something of a game of "chicken," as those ashtray MPs aren't getting any faster sitting on a shelf in a warehouse.

2) No one is forced at gunpoint to buy a Mac.
Every single transaction that has made Apple a nearly TRILLION dollar company was, is, and will always be a VOLUNTARY one. Apple customers believe that things like TCO, a positive user experience, and other such considerations are worth paying substantially more than less expensive competing products which use similar technologies. Only when Mac users, en masse, defect from the platform in economically significant numbers will Apple either lower prices or find other ways to add more value to bring their consumers back. That really isn't happening, so prices remain right where they are.

3) Apple is not immune to the economics of competition.
If another company offered a better value and an overall better user experience, consistently, for a lower price, Apple would have to respond quickly to such competition or whither away. Remember when Nokia was king of the cell phone market? Remember when the go-to smart phone was a Blackberry? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

4) Corporations aren't charities. They offer products and services for a price they think consumers will be willingly to pay, and value their customer's cash over the value of their products/services they offer, or they wouldn't sell them. Consumers are equally convinced that the product or service they're buying is worth MORE to them than their cash, or they wouldn't make the purchase. The entire transaction, by definition, is entirely VOLUNTARY and WIN-WIN.

IMO, "criminal" and "greedy" just edgy epithets some people use to mask the fact that they are simply whining about how they can't have what they want, when they want it, because they can't afford it. You can't have an ashtray MP for a bargain price, even though they are woefully outdated? Boo-hoo. Life is certainly unfair, isn't it? Criminal, greedy, evil Apple isn't willing to participate in your wish fulfillment--how dare they stomp on your dreams by obeying the basic economic principles of pricing and supply and demand! The nerve!

Wish I could upvote this to the top of the thread! +100
 
In a free market, prices are NEVER "criminal" nor "greedy." In the case of Apple, they are bafflingly high sometimes, but there are sound economic reasons for this, whether you like them or not.

1) The value of any consumer good is entirely subjective and is determined solely by the value a buying consumer ascribes to it. If some consumers with deep pockets believe that a $6k desktop with a feature set from 2013 is a reasonable proposition, that's the correct price. Evidently SOME consumers are still paying those high prices, which is why Apple isn't lowering them. That's what the market is saying. Either that, or Apple has only a few hundred units left and they can afford to wait for those deep-pocketed fans to pony up the dough–but this is still something of a game of "chicken," as those ashtray MPs aren't getting any faster sitting on a shelf in a warehouse.

2) No one is forced at gunpoint to buy a Mac.
Every single transaction that has made Apple a nearly TRILLION dollar company was, is, and will always be a VOLUNTARY one. Apple customers believe that things like TCO, a positive user experience, and other such considerations are worth paying substantially more than less expensive competing products which use similar technologies. Only when Mac users, en masse, defect from the platform in economically significant numbers will Apple either lower prices or find other ways to add more value to bring their consumers back. That really isn't happening, so prices remain right where they are.

3) Apple is not immune to the economics of competition.
If another company offered a better value and an overall better user experience, consistently, for a lower price, Apple would have to respond quickly to such competition or whither away. Remember when Nokia was king of the cell phone market? Remember when the go-to smart phone was a Blackberry? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

4) Corporations aren't charities. They offer products and services for a price they think consumers will be willingly to pay, and value their customer's cash over the value of their products/services they offer, or they wouldn't sell them. Consumers are equally convinced that the product or service they're buying is worth MORE to them than their cash, or they wouldn't make the purchase. The entire transaction, by definition, is entirely VOLUNTARY and WIN-WIN.

IMO, "criminal" and "greedy" just edgy epithets some people use to mask the fact that they are simply whining about how they can't have what they want, when they want it, because they can't afford it. You can't have an ashtray MP for a bargain price, even though they are woefully outdated? Boo-hoo. Life is certainly unfair, isn't it? Criminal, greedy, evil Apple isn't willing to participate in your wish fulfillment–how dare they stomp on your dreams by obeying the basic economic principles of pricing and supply and demand! The nerve!
its not proportionate to get so enraged by a figure of speech in conversation. You're the one with issues dude.
 
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its not proportionate to get so enraged by a figure of speech in conversation. You're the one with issues dude.

Words have meaning, but get casually tossed around as if they do not, especially on these forums.

The poster does not have issues, but simply gave a short, concise, impactful lesson in market capitalism and spoke the truth about how many members around here seem to think that Apple is supposed to be different than other for-profit businesses. The levels of wish-fulfillment and entitlement on this website are staggering.

I have yet to hear anyone talk in a similar manner about Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer, Asus, NVIDIA, et al. while the greedy, evil Apple pity party parade on this website stretches around the block and disappears into the distance.

And enraged is hardly the tone of his post...IMHO, his bull**** meter simply peaked, he had heard enough and wrote was what on his mind. Sometimes the truth can be shocking to some unprepared for it.
 
I just want to point out that there are a few select merchants that are selling "Refurbished" Late 2013 Mac Pros (3.5GHz six-core/16GB DRAM/256GB SSD/D500 on eBay or their own website anywhere from $1699 or Best Offer (eBay) to $1,929.00. They are advertised as "Sealed in box! Remaining factory warranty, and eligible for extended Apple Care!"

The two sites to which I am referring aren't in the business of making false claims, to the best of my knowledge, but this would be the quiet way for Apple to get rid of unwanted units without reducing the cost of them on their website. I would assume that Apple does actually refurbish these units as opposed to simply taking a new unit and sticking it in a white "Refurb Box" (if you bought refurb, you know what I mean), but who really knows outside of Apple.

Regardless, there are some who cannot buy them this way and must buy them off of the Apple website (University, Federal and certain Enterprise come to mind), but they enjoy their own types of discounts that we never see. So, for the average individual looking to buy a 2013 Mac Pro, Apple will sell you one at their current retail pricing. And if you do happen to buy one that way without exploring other avenues (Student Discount, Military, Enterprise purchase through employer, eBay, Apple Authorized Resellers) you are doing yourself a large disservice, not Apple. Just my 2¢.
 
The warranty may be valuable to some professionals who need to work today and not wait for the 7,1 to come out. There may be better options for the price but being able to complete something that may lead to millions may be the goal.

Especially if its a drop in replacement, whereas an iMac pro may make an existing display redundant, etc.
 
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