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Is it criminal that Apple still sells the 2013 Mac Pro for $6599 (maxed out) in 2019?
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Saw four core for even less, and it was tempting, but then thought about 4K and didn't know enough about the processing capability, but clearly, there are better prices out in the wild. The reality is that these are still better machines, ignoring internal flexibility, than the 5,1's, and it's just too bad that Tim always seems to be looking to make a marketing coup.
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[doublepost=1562204790][/doublepost]B&H sells the 12 core D500 for 6800; and the 12 core D700 for 6400.
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Nope, not even closely criminal. If they tell you how much it costs and you agree to buy at that price, it's totally and completely legitimate and fair. You get to choose what you buy, the seller gets to choose what to charge.
Considering the relatively low cost of an 8-, 10- or 12-core upgrade, the equally low cost of bumping it to 64GB of DRAM ($200) and the relative ease in replacing the SSD, I am sorely tempted to purchase one of the Apple Refurbished 6-core models. Six Thunderbolt 2 ports are useful to me and if the vendor is willing to accept a slightly lower offer for a refurb Mac Pro, building a less than 2K machine is possible. Certain things will probably run quite well, others not well at all, *cough* HEVC encoding *cough*, but I digress.
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Sometimes the truth is a hard thing to swallow.
Still, at just 15% off the purchase price, it still doesn't seem worth it to purchase directly from Apple.
The 4-core version goes for $2125 in the refurbished store... which makes the "new" 4-core version from Apple around $2500. You can get a practically "new" version on ebay for less than half that. Is Apple care really worth 100%+ of the machine cost on eBay?
I guess the purchaser will have to decide for themselves...
So I guess what I'm really asking is this: is the base 4-core version worth $2125 with AppleCare, vs the same computer on eBay for $1100 + $250 2.7ghz 12-core CPU + 64GB of RAM for $1500?
It would be a whole lot easier if Apple just sold a Mac with some user-upgradeability in the $2000 - $4000 range...
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Ebay - presumably without any sort of warranty for a computer with a certain history of GPU issues sounds like a bad idea to me. I'd make sure I'm covered for a few years to see how the machine behaves.
It's a cool little machine at any rate, worth getting IMO. The issue with it is that it was sold as a workstation but if you nowadays look past that it's the only Apple desktop that doesn't annoy with T2 or soldered-on ********. I think it will be my last genuine one before I either move to hackintosh or switch platforms altogether.
Here's to getting quite a few years of usage out of it still.
It's a cool little machine at any rate, worth getting IMO. The issue with it is that it was sold as a workstation but if you nowadays look past that it's the only Apple desktop that doesn't annoy with T2 or soldered-on ********. I think it will be my last genuine one before I either move to hackintosh or switch platforms altogether.
Here's to getting quite a few years of usage out of it still.
This.
It’s to not piss off the people that have already bought.
Anyone not paying attention enough to buy something with a replacement already announced..... no sympathy.
No, I wouldn't recommend anyone buy a 2013 Refurbished or New Mac Pro directly from Apple...they should purchase the base 6-core from eBay or an Apple Reseller that has a sealed, eligible for AppleCare+ unit for sale at a decent price...one of the resellers on eBay has the base 6-core for $1,699 "Buy It Now!" or "Make an Offer", which at $1,699 and with the Mac Pro is $2,549 at Apple, is already discounted $850, so how much more can be shaved off the price is questionable. But sealed in the box and eligible for AppleCare gives some margin of security and you can upgrade as you can afford. The base configuration 6-core is decent on horsepower, and moving up to an 8-, 10-, 12-core is a fairly economical cost minus the DIY teardown effort, with DRAM and SSD being easily upgradeable, depending on whether it's worth it to the end-user to do so on a 6 year old computer. For certain tasks and such, this is a great machine (DAW comes to mind) and for others, not so much (4K H.265 video). If you have any investment in Thunderbolt 2 hardwire, then maybe yes. If the user has nothing, then Thunderbolt 2 is a dead end. I guess it all depends on your perspective and your needs. There are bargains on Mac Pros to be had, just not on Apple's website.
A couple of things:
1.) If you are paying that high of a price and not knowing what you're paying for you are not really a Professional to begin with.
2.) If you are a professional already in the Apple ecosystem you can't currently get a more powerful system (Except iMac Pro perhaps) Professionals don't change platforms on a whim and this is a workstation and not a consumer machine which is priced differently anyway.
1.) If you are paying that high of a price and not knowing what you're paying for you are not really a Professional to begin with.
2.) If you are a professional already in the Apple ecosystem you can't currently get a more powerful system (Except iMac Pro perhaps) Professionals don't change platforms on a whim and this is a workstation and not a consumer machine which is priced differently anyway.
Well if you are a company and you know this particular model works for your purpose then buying them from Apple even at full price does not sound so stupid if it means you can simply slot these units into your setup, perhaps use a disk image made for an identical machine and off you go.
The proprietary GPUs in the 6,1 reduce my interest. One poster in this thread asked the question, "When will 6,1s be cheaper than 5,1s?" That day may come in the not-too-distant future.
If you use an eGPU box you can expand the GPU options for the nMP with Apple's TB2-TB3 adapter and Purge Wrangler. It may not be as simple as plugging it into to a 5,1, but you can do it.
Barefeats just recently did a "Pumping up the 2013 Mac Pro" article with tests using one eGPU/dual eGPUs and combinations with the internal dGPUs as well. (Vega Frontier/Vega VII/RX580)
https://barefeats.com/nMP-pumped-up.html
"If you need more GPU speed, though the internal dual proprietary FirePro GPUs can't be upgraded, they can be supplemented or bypassed using one or more eGPU box with a more powerful GPU. The Thunderbolt 2 connection is slower than the Thunderbolt 3 ports on more recent Macs, but unless the application is saturating the bandwidth, the performance will not suffer. We used various eGPU boxes including the AKiTiO Node Pro, Sonnet eGFX Breakaway, and OWC Mercury Helios FX."