is it safe to upgrade to yosemite?

[technosix]

It's almost on a case by case basis. Having a few new Macs I just installed it on one of my MBPr models. It is indeed rather buggy but I expected that and I'm OK with it.

After all these years I don't get too concerned over bugs...unless they're as bad as iOS 8 on my iP6 & 6+. I will look forward to the opportunity of finally being able to enjoy my new iPhones whenever Apple gets around to shipping a decent OS.

I'm fully prepared to wait for months as I do understand that the Watch is Apple's sole priority despite what they might like to portray. It's hard to imagine them having enough employees to give proper attention to the wide range of products their currently working on.

If they were properly staffed I don't think they would have allowed the crash prone iOS to ship.

 

[Dubdrifter]

Would you play Russian Roulette with 5 1/2 bullets in your gun?

 

[MacMan988]

Yes. Except for few mines and snipers around.

Just kidding. I think it is safe to do so.

 

[newellj]

Clearly yes. You are as likely to have issues with Mavericks as with Yosemite at this point.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Would you play Russian Roulette with 5 1/2 bullets in your gun?

Clearly you don't like Yosemite, we get it already. There are many people, like myself, who don't have any issues with Yosemite.

Your analogy does not make any sense.

 

[SaxnFlutman]

No. Make sure your Mac is compatible, it will tell you and go through all your apps to make sure they are compatible.

What will tell you, what is "it"? And will the same "it" go through all my apps to tell me which of those may not be compatible?

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Another approach would be to create a separate partition on the hard drive and install Yosemite to it. This way you can use Yosemite to determine how well it works for you and delete it when you are done. Your Mavericks install is not affected by Yosemite. Just reboot back to the Mavericks install and delete the partition where Yosemite is installed.

Can you create a separate partition on my Mac's hard drive, or do I need an unused external one? I didn't think you could create partitions once you've been using a particular drive. If so, can I take a drive that's say split 50/50, and then change it, to say 70/30? Thanks...

 

[Taz Mangus]

Can you create a separate partition on my Mac's hard drive, or do I need an unused external one? I didn't think you could create partitions once you've been using a particular drive. If so, can I take a drive that's say split 50/50, and then change it, to say 70/30? Thanks...

Yes you can split your internal hard drive. In Disk Utility when you create a new partition, first size the upper partiton by changing its size and then add the second partition. So for example, let's say you have a 500GB HD. If you wanted to do a 70/30 split you would first change the primary partition size to 350GB and then add the second partition for 150GB. Nothing is erased when you change the size of a partition or add another partition. Once the partitions have been created you can delete the second partiton and then resize the primary partition back to its full size. In the example I gave you would resize the partiton back to 500GB.

 

[Dubdrifter]

Would you play Russian Roulette with 5 1/2 bullets in your gun?

Clearly you don't like Yosemite, we get it already. There are many people, like myself, who don't have any issues with Yosemite.

Your analogy does not make any sense.

Although I commend your loyalty to Yosemite - quite rare not to have any issues with a new OS. - from your forum posts you clearly have the expertise to resolve many issues you might encounter with Y. With Apple devices no longer exclusively owned by computer cognoscenti it is clear by the astronomical number of issues Yosemite has thrown up on this and many other forums that Apple's reputation for "ease of use" is seriously being undermined daily.

Maybe I'm being unfair to Yosemite and should have reduced the number of bullets to 4, but I think my analogy with Russian Roulette is still valid.

Seriously though, I'm sure there are statisticians out there who could roughly analyse the data on this, comparing the % of issues with Yosemite/Mavericks to other OS in relation to the increased number of devices in circulation.

Personally I feel we can all do this at a glance at 80% of the threads on this and many other forums - and discussions all across the media from many computer experts ….. but die-hard defenders on here won't be convinced until Moses comes down from the mount with every statistical variable analysed, irrefutably, on a stone tablet.

And as people say "statistics' and the word 'irrefutable' will never be good bedfellows - but it is also important not to send innocent computer users into the unknown without fair warning and the tools to extricate if it all goes wrong.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Although I commend your loyalty to Yosemite - quite rare not to have any issues with a new OS. - from your forum posts you clearly have the expertise to resolve many issues you might encounter with Y. With Apple devices no longer exclusively owned by computer cognoscenti it is clear by the astronomical number of issues Yosemite has thrown up on this and many other forums that Apple's reputation for "ease of use" is seriously being undermined daily.

Maybe I'm being unfair to Yosemite and should have reduced the number of bullets to 4, but I think my analogy with Russian Roulette is still valid.

Seriously though, I'm sure there are statisticians out there who could roughly analyse the data on this, comparing the % of issues with Yosemite/Mavericks to other OS in relation to the increased number of devices in circulation.

Personally I feel we can all do this at a glance at 80% of the threads on this and many other forums - and discussions all across the media from many computer experts ….. but die-hard defenders on here won't be convinced until Moses comes down from the mount with every statistical variable analysed, irrefutably, on a stone tablet.

And as people say "statistics' and the word 'irrefutable' will never be good bedfellows - but it is also important not to send innocent computer users into the unknown without fair warning and the tools to extricate if it all goes wrong.

Then it must then be extremely rare that all 3 of my Mac computers have not had an issue running Yosemite.

When I first installed Yosemite on my iMac I had issue where it would come out of sleep, the screen would be black, freeze for a while and then reboot. I found that a 3rd party driver was causing the issue. If I had not investigated the issue I could have concluded that Yosemite is causing the issue and added to the voices of users having an issue.

I have used every OS X version since 10.2 and Yosemite so far is my favorite version. Even my wife shares that opinion since she has been using Yosemite on the 17" MacBook Pro.

I do understand that there are users having issues running Yosemite on retina Macs. Probably a graphics driver issue.

And how many of the issues being reported are due to a incompatible driver or app or a hardware failure not being caused by Yosemite. I see people posting issues with Yosemite and many have had issues not caused by Yosemite. Yes, crying wolf can warn users an scare off others when it is not warranted. There has to be a balance.

 

[SaxnFlutman]

When I first installed Yosemite on my iMac I had issue where it would come out of sleep, the screen would be black, freeze for a while and then reboot. I found that a 3rd party driver was causing the issue. If I had not investigated the issue I could have concluded that Yosemite is causing the issue and added to the voices of users having an issue.

I do understand that there are users having issues running Yosemite on retina Macs. Probably a graphics driver issue.

And how many of the issues being reported are due to a incompatible driver or app or a hardware failure not being caused by Yosemite. I see people posting issues with Yosemite and many have had issues not caused by Yosemite. Yes, crying wolf can warn users an scare off others when it is not warranted. There has to be a balance.

Taz, shouldn't the current OS be 100% compatible with the newest (retina) Macs they make? Isn't that the point of a closed system? And you had issues, which you discovered (via "investigation") was a 3rd party driver. The point many are making here, is that most Mac users today are not super computer whizzes, and wouldn't know where to begin to track down the source of the glitches they are experiencing, nor be proficient enough to do a proper clean install. Which you did, and still had some issues.

Now if Apple created a thorough, step-by-step guide as to how to do a clean install, that would be a big help. But once I installed it, figuring out how to install each app (depending on whether the original dmg files existed), and even more crucial, how to know which files to copy back from the Library folders, etc, is beyond most users. And just winging it could create an even bigger mess....

What disappoints many of us, is that it appears Apple is more concerned with rushing out updates, than simply taking it's time, and and not releasing them until they've thoroughly tested them. We users care far less for "change" for the sake of change, as we do for having a machine that just works...