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Ethosik

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Windows used to support devices for a long time but with 11, they brought it in line with apple's much higher requirements. People with i7 7700K and 32gb of RAM are cut off from support.
And newer computers might not be fully compatible right away. I had to manually enable TPM in my BIOS. It was named weird and took me a bit to know what to actually enable. This will definitely lock out a lot of normal users.
 

Ethosik

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There is nothing wrong using an older system that is not on an up to date operating system. I still have my 2010 Mac Pro in my workflow and its still running High Sierra since I don't have a metal GPU. A photography studio I get my large scale images/wallpaper from still has a PowerPC mac in their studio tied to a $1 million dollar printer.
 

pshufd

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There is nothing wrong using an older system that is not on an up to date operating system. I still have my 2010 Mac Pro in my workflow and its still running High Sierra since I don't have a metal GPU. A photography studio I get my large scale images/wallpaper from still has a PowerPC mac in their studio tied to a $1 million dollar printer.

I agree. You can use computers cooperatively too. I think that most people don't know how to do this but it has advantages in that it makes migration safer and it gives you a backup system in case your main system is down.
 

PauloSera

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I still use my MBP 13 non retina mid 2012 with Mojave. Catalina is discontinued too so it makes no sense for me to update to catalina and lose 32bit capabilities.
Even with Catalina the MBP from 2012 got 10 years of SW support in case you bought it in 2012.
-> Windows Notebooks from 2012 which came with Windows 8 are still up to date with Windows 10 which will be supported till 2025 (!)

I checked whats available now and what I could use for years. There is the MBP 16, with 32 GB RAM and 2 TB storage costs 4309 Euros (!) in germany.
Is that still worth it? For 10 years max OS support?
I use my MBP to 99% in clam shell mode at home connected to external display.

There would be the possibility of a mac mini, only 16GB RAM possible, 1949 Euros.
Mac Mini was released in 2020 so it would give 7 more years of OS support (we are almost in 2023). Not acceptable for me.

I think my MBP (which cost 1100 Euros back then in 2012) will be finde for another year but what then?
BTW I am no seller, I don't like to sell so I keep my stuff as long as possible.

Meanwhile the prices for apple products are getting crazy high, do they still win new MacOS customers?
10 years is not long term support. That's lifetime support. 5 years is long term in technology.

Meanwhile the prices for apple products are getting crazy high, do they still win new MacOS customers?

50% of all sales the last several years in a row.
 

clueless88

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The nice thing about the 2012 MBPs (unlike the newer products) is that the components aren’t soldered in place, so anyone can replace/upgrade memory, ssd/hdd, optical drives, batteries with relative ease.
 
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