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https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/677154/
More proof that this upgrade is by no means without risk. You were right to point out same, you may save a lot of new mini owners a bit of frustration and more $$$ than they thought they would save DIY.

Of course there is risk to opening up any computer and doing upgrades. I'm sure hundreds of thousands if not millions of people around the world have fried RAM during an upgrade by not being careful about static discharge.

To quote the guy you're quoting: "BTW, when replacing the stock hdd, I broken a cable that was glued onto the front of the stock hitachi hdd and running along the body to the connector card."

Obviously, one should be fairly competent before attempting the Mini upgrade. As has been stated before many times on this forum: Don't attempt this unless you have good manual dexterity, good vision, and use appropriate tools. I would suggest that the guy who broke this cable was lacking in one or more of the areas I just mentioned. I feel sorry for his trouble but I would have to say he shouldn't have attempted this in the first place.
 
I'm trying to decide what to do myself.

I am going to upgrade from my G4 to the new guy. But should I go cheap from Apple and then add an SSD and pile o' memory, or just get the one that works for the full warranty and THEN upgrade...

Decisions decisions...

I need to see some specs on an SSD vs. a 7200 rpm drive. If the SSD can compare on all specs, I might just do that so the Mini stays silent.

Hmm...

PS: I did self upgrade my G4 to 1GB. Disk space internally is never a concern to me since I put everything across the network. Speed and silence are the important aspects to my Mini.
 
I'm trying to decide what to do myself.

I am going to upgrade from my G4 to the new guy. But should I go cheap from Apple and then add an SSD and pile o' memory, or just get the one that works for the full warranty and THEN upgrade...

Decisions decisions...

I need to see some specs on an SSD vs. a 7200 rpm drive. If the SSD can compare on all specs, I might just do that so the Mini stays silent.

Hmm...

PS: I did self upgrade my G4 to 1GB. Disk space internally is never a concern to me since I put everything across the network. Speed and silence are the important aspects to my Mini.

http://barefeats.com/mbpp08.html

Compares several SSDs to 7200rpm equivalents.

My plan when I get a used mac mini myself is to add an SSD as the system drive. My usage for a mac mini is fairly simple. All it's going to run is Pro Tools LE and software synths so I want fast patch loading and application launch times.

There's a 64Gb SSD available in the UK for £132 (previously £99) that manages 0.1ms access time (lowest available measurement) and 144Mb/s average read/write (159Mb burst) and that's exactly what I plan on getting for that purpose.

It's not on a par with the Intel X-25 drives but the SATA bus on a mac mini is only 150Mb/s anyway so it would be overkill and a huge waste of money to use anything faster.
 
http://barefeats.com/mbpp08.html

Compares several SSDs to 7200rpm equivalents.

My plan when I get a used mac mini myself is to add an SSD as the system drive. My usage for a mac mini is fairly simple. All it's going to run is Pro Tools LE and software synths so I want fast patch loading and application launch times.

There's a 64Gb SSD available in the UK for £132 (previously £99) that manages 0.1ms access time (lowest available measurement) and 144Mb/s average read/write (159Mb burst) and that's exactly what I plan on getting for that purpose.

It's not on a par with the Intel X-25 drives but the SATA bus on a mac mini is only 150Mb/s anyway so it would be overkill and a huge waste of money to use anything faster.

Thanks for that link. Makes me want to go normal on the new Mini and then get a future revision SSD that is much less expensive.

I think I'll wait until May to get the new guy, that makes it the 4th anniversary of this Mini. That's a decent upgrade cycle. This Mini will then be repurposed into something else. It's too great a little system to not use for something, but the PPC chip is holding it back with some websites now.
 
I'll be getting a mini soonish, and I still haven't decided whether to do the upgrades myself. I'm pretty sure I could do it... but if I broke something in the attempt I'd be damn mad at myself.
 
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/677154/

More proof that this upgrade is by no means without risk. You were right to point out same, you may save a lot of new mini owners a bit of frustration and more $$$ than they thought they would save DIY.

Cheers,

That's exactly right. Just because it works well for some, it's can become a disaster for others. Not everyone is adept at cracking open the Mini without scratching the case, let alone doing the upgrade right without damaging other components. As I said before, the money saved is not the motherload many here would have you believe.

After being trashed by so many upgrade loyalists here, I'm surprised my thread is still alive.
 
Of course there is risk to opening up any computer and doing upgrades. I'm sure hundreds of thousands if not millions of people around the world have fried RAM during an upgrade by not being careful about static discharge.

To quote the guy you're quoting: "BTW, when replacing the stock hdd, I broken a cable that was glued onto the front of the stock hitachi hdd and running along the body to the connector card."

Obviously, one should be fairly competent before attempting the Mini upgrade. As has been stated before many times on this forum: Don't attempt this unless you have good manual dexterity, good vision, and use appropriate tools. I would suggest that the guy who broke this cable was lacking in one or more of the areas I just mentioned. I feel sorry for his trouble but I would have to say he shouldn't have attempted this in the first place.

While you may be correct about the relative skill level required to perform such tasks, I dare say quite a few folks may feel, they meet your stated requirements (i.e. years on building their own Windows PCs) yet find the cramped quarters and delicate components of some Macs to be a bit more than they bargained for. Also, even skilled techs can get a Mini with a loose wire or one crimped in manufacturing that easily fails once the system is opened. After spending $600 on a base system and another $100+ on the upgrade bits I think it's just fine to consider the relative merits of having an ASC handle the upgrade.

That's exactly right. Just because it works well for some, it's can become a disaster for others. Not everyone is adept at cracking open the Mini without scratching the case, let alone doing the upgrade right without damaging other components. As I said before, the money saved is not the motherload many here would have you believe.

After being trashed by so many upgrade loyalists here, I'm surprised my thread is still alive.

It's still alive because there are still folks trying to decide if this is a worthwhile project to attempt and your original point is a valid one. While it certainly comes down to person preference / risk tolerance, many on this board make it sound much more simple than it is and the risks as virtually non-existent. This is just not so.

Cheers,
 
That's exactly right. Just because it works well for some, it's can become a disaster for others. Not everyone is adept at cracking open the Mini without scratching the case, let alone doing the upgrade right without damaging other components. As I said before, the money saved is not the motherload many here would have you believe.

After being trashed by so many upgrade loyalists here, I'm surprised my thread is still alive.

If you have the skills, patience, awareness, and know how, the savings is significant. The only time it's not is when someone screws something up carelessly, and trust me from experience, it would have to be a careless mistake. No one claimed you're saving a mother-load, but the savings is significant, and gets you a significant performance upgrade not available from Apple.

People usually come to forums to get help with problems, caused by themselves or otherwise. The people who were successful are far less likely to come back and sing it's praises. So the few instances you have been able to quote as being negative are almost positively the small majority. Yet you come back trying knock something in which you know nothing about, trying to convince anyone reading this thread that it's not worth it when you haven't even attempted it.

And as mentioned before, if those on the fence are not comfortable doing it yourself, buy the parts and have an authorized Apple service center do it for you for $60-100. The local guy here will charge $80 for 30 min worth of work. So you get your upgrade for less than Apple is charging, you still have your warranty, and you get an upgrade that isn't available from Apple (assuming you go with a 7200 RPM HDD).

For the folks who are comfortable working on their previous PCs or Laptops (PC or Mac) and understand the risks of magnetism and ESD and have prepared for them: DO THE UPGRADE. The hardest part is separating the cover from the base.

Apple upgrade to 4GB of Ram and 320GB 5400 RPM drive is $325.00 + Local applicable sales tax.

Buy parts and have ASC do it:

320 GB 7200 = $80 shipped (and most likely no tax depending on the online retailer. I chose Newegg)
4GB DDR3 1066 $60 Shipped
ASC to install $100.00

Total $240.00 a savings of at least $85 USD and better performance.

Buy parts and do it all yourself: Save at least $165.00 and better performance.

So, IMO the last thing anyone should do is pay Apple to do it.

My neighbor has been checking out my mini and decided to buy one last week. She ordered the RAM and larger HDD and had a local Apple certified tech install it for $80 (believe it or not, my suggestion). My machine has the same memory in it, but I still have stock HDD. I was surprised at how much of a difference the 7.2K RPM drive made. Loads apps and large files quicker, boots a little faster, and doesn't seem any louder. The temp did go up about 5 deg. C but still all is well 24 hours later.
 
While you may be correct about the relative skill level required to perform such tasks, I dare say quite a few folks may feel, they meet your stated requirements (i.e. years on building their own Windows PCs) yet find the cramped quarters and delicate components of some Macs to be a bit more than they bargained for. Also, even skilled techs can get a Mini with a loose wire or one crimped in manufacturing that easily fails once the system is opened.

Then don't do the upgrade!
I agree totally that this upgrade is not for everyone.
But a couple of you come on here and say NO ONE should do it except a certified tech, and that's just STUPID!
 
Not everyone is adept at cracking open the Mini without scratching the case

Scratching the case should be the least of your worries. If the case is scratched, no one will ever see the scratches anyways. They will be on the inside of the top case facing downwards, totally out of sight.
I would be most concerned with damaging some of the micro components on the main circuit board with an errant screwdriver or tweezers. This job is NOT for everyone. You need experience with small electronics and a good dose of slow, methodical work ethic. Take your time and be careful. No shortcuts the first time. If you are at all hesitant, like Richard8655, don't attempt it.
On the other hand, if you're like me, an electronics guy with the right tools, it's a piece of cake, and you will save hundreds of $.
 
Then don't do the upgrade!
I agree totally that this upgrade is not for everyone.
But a couple of you come on here and say NO ONE should do it except a certified tech, and that's just STUPID!

Labeling thoughtful review of one's options as "Stupid" is not rational and serves no reasonable purpose.

The OP did not say don't perform the upgrade. He questioned the overall value as it related to the potential savings associated with a DIY upgrade. He potentially advocated buying the Apple upgrades. I think that is pushing the issue, however, buying your own gear and having an ASC perform the upgrade provides all of the performance and most of the savings. This eliminates any potential risk while avoiding Apple's crazy upgrade prices.

If you want to perform this upgrade, because you're adventurous, like taking apart stuff or just d%#m good at using your hands, go for it... nobody is stopping you. All the OP asked is that people do so with their eyes open as to the potential risk ... and there's nothing wrong with that.

Cheers,
 
Thanks for that link. Makes me want to go normal on the new Mini and then get a future revision SSD that is much less expensive.

I think I'll wait until May to get the new guy, that makes it the 4th anniversary of this Mini. That's a decent upgrade cycle. This Mini will then be repurposed into something else. It's too great a little system to not use for something, but the PPC chip is holding it back with some websites now.

They'll come down if price eventually I think.

I found a video on You Tube showing how much faster a laptop is with the 64Gb SSD compared to a normal laptop drive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJMGAdpCLVg

It doesn't go into specifics but seeing as the average laptop drive is 5,400rpm and the Mac Mini has a drive of that speed, I imagine the benchmarks would be very indicative of the performance you'd expect.

The opening of a 25Mb PDF and 40Gb Photoshop file (including opening of the host application) is a very good indication of the true speed of the drives.
 
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