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Is my M1 MBA using too much swap memory? Why is my Intel MBP not using as much?
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If I think about it back a couple years ago I heard of compiler that would do to OS X and PC! It seem many haven't upgraded from that program and seem not to be serious Mac Developers and by this time you shouldn't use Intel only apps anymore in M1 versions! It willl eat RAM swap like crazy!
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Have we ever seen an example of a non-upgradeable Apple SSD stop working because of too much usage?
I thought you kids would realize that the swap memory high usage is Intel Only applications because it has to go through the translation that uses massive memory swap!
Insofar as the m-series Macs go (and RAM)...
Fishrrman's observation:
16gb of RAM is "the new 8".
I wouldn't recommend any m-series Mac UNLESS it has 16gb RAM or greater.
Unfortunately, this reality didn't become apparent until after the m-series was in "general usage".
An 8gb m-series Mac is roughly "as well equipped" as was the 4tb 2014 Mac Mini.
(which, of course, isn't sayin' much, as the 4gb 2014 Mini was "speed-hobbled" by low RAM).
Personal experience:
I have a new 2021 MacBook Pro 14" (base model with m1pro CPU) and 16gb RAM.
I have DISABLED VM disk swapping using terminal, forcing the OS and all apps to run in "physical RAM". No "page ins" or "page outs".
I've had no problems after doing so, not a single crash at all.
Runs great that way.
Fishrrman's observation:
16gb of RAM is "the new 8".
I wouldn't recommend any m-series Mac UNLESS it has 16gb RAM or greater.
Unfortunately, this reality didn't become apparent until after the m-series was in "general usage".
An 8gb m-series Mac is roughly "as well equipped" as was the 4tb 2014 Mac Mini.
(which, of course, isn't sayin' much, as the 4gb 2014 Mini was "speed-hobbled" by low RAM).
Personal experience:
I have a new 2021 MacBook Pro 14" (base model with m1pro CPU) and 16gb RAM.
I have DISABLED VM disk swapping using terminal, forcing the OS and all apps to run in "physical RAM". No "page ins" or "page outs".
I've had no problems after doing so, not a single crash at all.
Runs great that way.
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is this still a problem ? I'm new to Mac OS , have a m1 pro 14 32 gb 1tb ssd with this data :
This seems way too much :
SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02)
Critical Warning: 0x00
Temperature: 34 Celsius
Available Spare: 100%
Available Spare Threshold: 99%
Percentage Used: 0%
Data Units Read: 3 513 782 [1,79 TB]
Data Units Written: 3 182 023 [1,62 TB]
Host Read Commands: 53 246 747
Host Write Commands: 59 603 916
Controller Busy Time: 0
Power Cycles: 123
Power On Hours: 39
Unsafe Shutdowns: 5
Media and Data Integrity Errors: 0
Error Information Log Entries: 0
This seems way too much :
SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02)
Critical Warning: 0x00
Temperature: 34 Celsius
Available Spare: 100%
Available Spare Threshold: 99%
Percentage Used: 0%
Data Units Read: 3 513 782 [1,79 TB]
Data Units Written: 3 182 023 [1,62 TB]
Host Read Commands: 53 246 747
Host Write Commands: 59 603 916
Controller Busy Time: 0
Power Cycles: 123
Power On Hours: 39
Unsafe Shutdowns: 5
Media and Data Integrity Errors: 0
Error Information Log Entries: 0
This is my first time with a 64GB Mac.
I wouldn't say I've been using it lightly, but I'm surprised how much is cached with normal light usage even. Doesn't bother me. The laptop is lightning fast and doing its job.
I've had this laptop for 9 days and:
I came with a fair bit written from factory (I forget what it was, looks like I didn't write it down).
My 3 year old 2017 MBP had some 20-30TB written.
Not that I'm worried about it but I might be looking into this too just because, it would be good to learn how to do this.
Most of the stuff I've done so far is Crossover. Time to get Parallels going on this thing!
I wouldn't say I've been using it lightly, but I'm surprised how much is cached with normal light usage even. Doesn't bother me. The laptop is lightning fast and doing its job.
I've had this laptop for 9 days and:
I came with a fair bit written from factory (I forget what it was, looks like I didn't write it down).
My 3 year old 2017 MBP had some 20-30TB written.
Not that I'm worried about it but I might be looking into this too just because, it would be good to learn how to do this.
Most of the stuff I've done so far is Crossover. Time to get Parallels going on this thing!
Have you looked at the Memory tab of Activity Monitor to see what RAM is being used by each of those tabs? See where that RAM is being used. I’ve noticed lots of web sites seem to allocate memory but don’t release it. forums.macrumors.com will consistently get to 1GB+ if you let it sit open for an extended period of time. I’ve seen similar things with other websites. i would not be surprised of YouTube.com isn’t like that.
I had to avoid using Safari because of that, currently using Browser but I believe that there's a big issue under the hood regarding apps.
There's days I got like 4-5 Tabs open and it's 5GB being consumed... Then put MS Teams with 3GB on top of it..
But one thing I noticed is that I have to restart my laptop every day to reduce the Window Server usage from 2-3GB and even some apps...
I'm starting to think the more and more the laptop is awake the more memory is being consumed and you need a reboot to fully flush it.
That's just not true though - the people who are saying "you only need half the memory on M1" are silly and irresponsible and wrong.
Does unified memory have speed benefits in certain areas? Yes, it really does.
Can an M1 with 8GB of RAM launch applications as fast as an Intel with 16GB? Yes, it can. Because of the benefits of unified memory.
Is 8GB of RAM in an M1 equivalent to 16GB of RAM in an Intel machine? No. Of course it isn't. Computing science doesn't work that way.
Monterey uses a lot more RAM for the same tasks than Big Sur did. They've clearly changed something under the hood to sandbox processes and keep them separate from each other. It seems to be much worse in browsers, with each tab taking up a lot more memory than they used to, and in applications built on top of browsers like Electron apps (Microsoft Teams!). If I have certain applications open doing the exact same thing, my Mojave Intel iMac uses 5GB of RAM, and my Monterey M1 iMac uses 12GB of RAM. For exactly the same tasks.
I feel like my new m1 MacBook Air 8gb uses a lot mor ram than my intel iMac. I regret not going for more memory (16gb).
That's the purpose of an OS, use every bit of physical memory you have at all times.
You have nothing to worry about based on those values.
The typical endurance/durability (i.e. lifespan) for reputable brand SSDs of capacities:
• 150 TBW for 250/256GB
• 300 TBW for 500/512GB
• 600 TBW for 1TB
• 1200 TBW for 2TB
...
How long is a SSD lifespan?
SSD life span: When does an SSD fail? Find out how you can recognize an impending failure and the necessary steps you will have to take.
www.ionos.com
So, for example, if you’ve owned/used the MBP for a month, the estimated lifespan of the SSD is ~30 years.
From its BSD roots, macOS attempts to utilize every bit of RAM (i.e. “unused memory is wasted memory”). For example, if you quit an application and there’s plenty of “free” RAM space, the OS leaves the data in memory (to speed up the next launch) until that memory space is needed by another/new process. In other words, ignore Cached Files when analyzing/calculating RAM requirements.
I absolutely love it. I can have 4 desktops opened, Parallels running with a dev environment, and 3 browsers opened with tons of tabs - and crossover with apps running - AND everything is instant, all the time. I love that it is being used. I go to open something and BAM it's up instantly. Computing heaven.
Running doesn't mean its running OPTIMUMLY. He fact you can't tell if something is fractions of a second slower, or is having a minor delay doesn't mean it's not.
Disabling swap has been a "performance tweak" since like Windows 98, doesn't make it a good idea.
Once you go 64GB you can't go back. Everything is so smooth.
What I said: "satcomer's understanding of how x86 binaries are run on Apple Silicon Macs is entirely wrong"
What you heard, apparently: You should only run x86 binaries.
Are you possibly drunk?
I said he doesn't understand! x86 software on Mac is dead technology! if you back to when Steve brought in Intel and create the first Rosetta! He kept that for two years in OS X ! No it's been two years with their own processor and the only Mac left is Mac Pro and that is do to replaced this Fall! So Intel only software needs to at least Universal or better by the end of the this year! The clock is ticking for these shareware developers!
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Onedrive on my machine is Native, must be running an old version. Unless my version is Insider only.