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Is the 10.9 to 10.10 worth it?

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jms969

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vexorg said:
Is the 10.9 to 10.10 worth it?

I've got the reminder up saying that the new upgrade is available. Is it worth it over 10.9?

What's new? or does someone have a decent link to the real differences?
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NO NO NO, Yosemite is still very buggy and not ready fro prime time (think Vista). I regret the day that I upgraded...

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Badagri said:
People are on clean installs with nothing transferred from old installs. Are you honestly saying it's because of this Yosemite's UI sluggishness is because of this, as well as flaky WiFi and so on?…

Some even done another clean install and it never rectified itself.
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You are right clean install vs upgrade has NOTHING to do with it... When :apple: released 10.10 it was little more than an early beta :eek:
 
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MistrSynistr

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I have Yosemite on a 2008 iMac and it is blazing fast.

On my 2012 Dual Core Mac Mini it has some slowness but I think it may be the 5400 HD.

I enjoy the modern, clean minimalist look. I run Snow Leopard at work on a Mac Pro and enjoy that as well.
 
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lkpolovchik

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Somewhere in this thread I read that mavericks doesn't do iCloud. I have my iPhone 4s ipad2 and MacBook Pro with mavericks syncing my cal contacts tasks notes and photo stream with iCloud. I have no plan to upgrade to Yosemite at this time but I will upgrade my iPhone and iPad next year which obviously will have ios8. I will not use iCloud drive just continue to sync via iCloud. I do however do a USB sync once a week via iTunes to back up to my mac. Call me backward but this works for me well right now. Once I'm using ios8 will this be a problem. Sorry for any typos.
 
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Tech198

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jms969 said:
NO NO NO, Yosemite is still very buggy and not ready fro prime time (think Vista). I regret the day that I upgraded...

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You are right clean install vs upgrade has NOTHING to do with it... When :apple: released 10.10 it was little more than an early beta :eek:
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"Buggy" is an understatement... I've have more trouble connecting via AFP then u could shake a stick at....

Out of all things 99% of the time i need too use screen share to connect to mac mini... If this doesn't work at least 80% of the time, (and it doesn't), I don't care how good the rest of the OS is....
 
Alimar

Alimar

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vexorg said:
Is the 10.9 to 10.10 worth it?

I've got the reminder up saying that the new upgrade is available. Is it worth it over 10.9?

What's new? or does someone have a decent link to the real differences?
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With all the problems I had with Mavericks, Yosemite was welcome on my iMac. OS X 10.9.x caused problems every day. Crashes, fan always running, Time Machine failing, etc. When the official launch was announced in September, I started by testing the betas and finally was sold on 10.10, and then 10.10.1. I still keep two partitions both both OS Mav and Yo.
 
brentmore

brentmore

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I'm a bit surprised to read so many negative experiences with Yosemite, but it may be a reporting bias. I have Yosemite on both my rMBP and mini, on a network with many of flavors of servers and services. They perform very well - I haven't seen a beach ball in weeks. Both machines have plenty of RAM and are equipped with SSDs.
 
Merode

Merode

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brentmore said:
I'm a bit surprised to read so many negative experiences with Yosemite, but it may be a reporting bias. I have Yosemite on both my rMBP and mini, on a network with many of flavors of servers and services. They perform very well - I haven't seen a beach ball in weeks. Both machines have plenty of RAM and are equipped with SSDs.
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How's Time Machine? Can you easily browse old Mavericks backups? I can't, I have to go to "/", select time of backup and then go up the catalogue tree. I won't even mention graphical glitches within TM. Steve must be spinning in his grave.

How about xCode stability? This newest version is crushing constantly for me. It has improved a bit since last minor update.

What about Yosemite's CoreGraphics framework making logs out of all you type in some apps in plain text? https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2014-90/

What about UI lag that is caused by bugged WindowServer process? It happens after long uptime and is only fixed by killing process or rebooting.

How about loudly marketed phone calls? It worked for me for about two weeks. Now I can make phone call one time out of ten - "Your iPhone and Mac need to be on the same WiFi.". Well, they are - texting works.

And then you read posts from betatesters that 1/2 out of all those issues are fixed in 10.10.2 beta..

EDIT: I think I'm going to update OS only between 10.X.5 versions that SHOULD be stable.
 
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roadbloc

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Unless you like the interface, Yosemite probably isn't worth it. I found it very buggy on launch and with the new interface being not to my taste at all, I chose to downgrade. The iOS/OS X continuity features are good on paper but were very flaky when I tried them out.
 
newellj

newellj

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brentmore said:
I'm a bit surprised to read so many negative experiences with Yosemite, but it may be a reporting bias. I have Yosemite on both my rMBP and mini, on a network with many of flavors of servers and services. They perform very well - I haven't seen a beach ball in weeks. Both machines have plenty of RAM and are equipped with SSDs.
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Same here.
 
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ipmasta

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Feb 18, 2011
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Dont do it! Ive been running it on both my computers since it came out and it runs like garbage! I originally did an upgrade on my computers and then ended up doing a clean install and manually reinstalling all my programs. I have a 2011 mac mini server with 16gb of ram and 120gb ssd and 750gb 7200rpm hd as fusion drive. Mavericks ran smooth as silk and I rarely had any problems not that I have Yosemite I often run low on ram and just today started experiencing finder crashes! Ive uninstalled certain programs which helped some but I would recommend staying far away. Even my 2013 Macbook pro with 1tb ssd doesn't run as good with yosemite as it did with mavericks. First iOS runs buggy as hell with new update now mac os WTF apple!

vexorg said:
Is the 10.9 to 10.10 worth it?

I've got the reminder up saying that the new upgrade is available. Is it worth it over 10.9?

What's new? or does someone have a decent link to the real differences?
Click to expand...
 
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bigchief

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Feb 26, 2009
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brentmore said:
I'm a bit surprised to read so many negative experiences with Yosemite, but it may be a reporting bias. I have Yosemite on both my rMBP and mini, on a network with many of flavors of servers and services. They perform very well - I haven't seen a beach ball in weeks. Both machines have plenty of RAM and are equipped with SSDs.
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Why are you surprised? Look at the 10.10 bug thread.

Almost 270,000 post!

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1740402/
 
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robgendreau

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Jul 13, 2008
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bigchief said:
Why are you surprised? Look at the 10.10 bug thread.

Almost 270,000 post!

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1740402/
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Please. Most of those are just gripes, not "bugs." But there are some significant ones, as there are with any software upgrade.

But it doesn't matter. You have to decide whether you are going freeze your system in some state or continue the process of upgrading your software. Someday you will either have to use your now deprecated stuff, or upgrade. So the only real question is WHEN you're gonna upgrade to Yosemite or the next version of system software, which is unlikely to look or feel or act more like Mavericks or the cats or whatever. And if you have to buy new hardware, you absolutely are gonna be on Yosemite or newer. No way around that.

So you need to look at specifics; if the persistent wifi connection issues or something with Mail in Yosemite doesn't work for you, then hold off, and hope it gets fixed. And realize you may be foregoing OTHER bug fixes, security patches, and new features that are constantly being added with new OS versions.
 
grahamperrin

grahamperrin

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Jun 8, 2007
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brentmore said:
I'm a bit surprised to read so many negative experiences with Yosemite, but it may be a reporting bias. …
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Related: Are voters in these forums more optimistic about Apple products than voters at large?

brentmore said:
… does someone have a decent link to the real differences?
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You might find http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/yosemite?sort=votes useful, particularly the the questions that are answered.


Apple's description of the redesign: 'Completely new. Completely Mac.' Some customers do find that it's completely Mac, or Mac enough. Other customers find that it's tolerable, or intolerably unlike what's expected from a Mac. And so on; opinions of what's 'decent' will vary wildly.

brentmore said:
That's all I need to read. Thanks. …
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I understand that it's not always desirable to reflect on such things, especially considering the TechRadar article referred to below, but Steve Jobs was reportedly extraordinarily influential …

Steve Jobs On What It Means to "Bleed In Six Colors" – Technorati Technology (2010-06-02)

Thank you, Steve Jobs. - Disruptive Conversations (2011-08-25)

Jobs railed against 'what would Steve do?' culture | News | TechRadar (2011-10-11)

Memories of Steve (2014-04-10)

Steve Jobs named #1 in CNBC’s list of the most influential leaders in the past 25 years | 9to5Mac (2014-04-29)

What Steve Jobs Wouldn’t Have Done | stratechery by Ben Thompson (2014-06-06)

https://www.diigo.com/user/grahamperrin/ugly "OS X Yosemite" "Steve Jobs"
 
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bigchief

macrumors 6502a
Feb 26, 2009
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robgendreau said:
Please. Most of those are just gripes, not "bugs." But there are some significant ones, as there are with any software upgrade.

But it doesn't matter. You have to decide whether you are going freeze your system in some state or continue the process of upgrading your software. Someday you will either have to use your now deprecated stuff, or upgrade. So the only real question is WHEN you're gonna upgrade to Yosemite or the next version of system software, which is unlikely to look or feel or act more like Mavericks or the cats or whatever. And if you have to buy new hardware, you absolutely are gonna be on Yosemite or newer. No way around that.

So you need to look at specifics; if the persistent wifi connection issues or something with Mail in Yosemite doesn't work for you, then hold off, and hope it gets fixed. And realize you may be foregoing OTHER bug fixes, security patches, and new features that are constantly being added with new OS versions.
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Never said I would not upgrade to Yosemite. I just think it was released way to early for the general public. Whats wrong with waiting 6 months? Surely they can work out the problems by then.
 
grahamperrin

grahamperrin

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Six months

bigchief said:
… Whats wrong with waiting 6 months? …
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There's nothing wrong with that wait. And six months from now we might know, from WWDC 2015, whether 10.10 was entirely representative of a step in the right direction.
 
tkwolf

tkwolf

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For most it's probably a NO, but for me I like the UI so it's a yes.
 
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vexorg

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Aug 4, 2009
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Very surprised by all the negative feedback. I always liked apple as their stuff used to be stable.

The only reason I went to maverick was due to some stability problems and apple mail issues with 10.7.5

I like mavericks, in fact, find it pretty much the same as the old one with out the lock ups. My machine is a late 2011 mbp i7 with 16Gb. What;s amazing is that it somehow still manages to use all the memory with a few apps open.

My biggest complaint for mavericks is safari doesn't like slow or bad internet connection. It seems to cripple all tabs and windows if one suffers.
 
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