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Yeah A12Z?

I'd be feeling pretty good about my 2018 iPP right now if I had one if its just the camera, 6gb, and wifi 6

The real question is when is the NEXT refresh? late this year? early next? feels like won't be as long as it was between this one and the last certainly
Yep, my iPad Pro 2018 was a great investment. Unfortunately can’t say the same about my very first iPad.
 
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Most likely A12Z will be an incremental improvement over A12X at best.

You mean like pretty much every new gen iPad?
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Yeah I got bit by the 3rd gen. Something tells me that Apple was probably aiming for an a13x but something went wrong with the design (thermals, manufacturing issue) and went with plan “Z” instead.
The cynic in me says that the bean counters at Apple figured that they could just rebadge A12X chips with all 8 graphics cores enabled.
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CPUs are years in the making and Apple would have been testing a13x samples over 6 months ago. If a a13x ever existed it was abandoned long before all this pandemic.

Still a good deal for thought that don't own an IPP already.. They will get a superior machine with more storage at the same price points. I kinda find it silly that someone would even want to upgrade their IPP3 to a new one.
 
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My 2018 iPad Pro 12.9” is so good that I will give this 2020 model a miss and just get the new magic keyboard (I do want backlit keyboard). Wait to the the next update to replace which will probably have 5G, etc.
 
Why? Because obviously Apple needs to have a reason for you to upgrade to the next iPad. :D
I don't think it is anything that cynical. The X-series processors are a new die (albeit based on an existing die) and it is easy to forget how expensive that is to develop. The A13 in many ways was a stop gap chip until the 5nm process was perfected and brought up to speed—I'm sure the A14/A14X is already finalized so that Apple can be first on TMSC's foundries. Developing another 7nm processor (the A13X) was probably too expensive—these aren't high volumes models and I'm betting the 12Z will be unique. Whereas the A14X will be used in a several different products.

I think the bigger question is why release a new pro now at all? Why not wait until the fall when 5nm chips (not to mention 5G) are released? I speculate it is because Apple needs more AR content to justify their increasingly AR-focused next-gen iPhones.
 
I think we are done with iPad Pro's this year. Apple did release multiple iPad upgrades in 2018, but only one for iPad Pro. We may not see another update until 2021 or Oct 2022.

Don't see 2022 as remotely possible, they aren't going to keep essentially the same chip (which will be 4 years old) in 2022 for that long, especially as they'd be on the A15 next year. This feels like the 1st time in the iPhone/iPad new releases where they completely didn't mention a CPU/GPU performance increase (only mentioning 8 core GPU) which says A LOT.

The fact that they didn't even bother to really make an actual SOC update, and essentially only added the cameras and a bit of ram screams holdover device until they could make it feasible to put the mini-led (in 12" allegedly), 5G, and a probable A14X as the A14 iPhones would already be out by then.
 
My gut feeling: This is a stop gap update until the 5g ipad in the fall. They wanted to get a bunch of early 2020 sales due to the new magic keyboard and people itching to upgrade. But that this processor bump is minor and only serves to showcase the new lidar system which will be mostly useless to everyone.

What I’m doing and encourage others to do: have a 2018 iPad Pro? Grab the new magic keyboard and be happy. That keyboard is freaking amazing and will change my day to day life. A lidar camera system? It’s a joke to even consider that a feature for most people right?
 
I wonder if the A12Z is some sort of die shrink of the A12X and in the course of re designing / shrinking it they added one GPU core?
 
I wonder if the A12Z is some sort of die shrink of the A12X and in the course of re designing / shrinking it they added one GPU core?

Probably not, maybe this GPU core has always been present but disabled because of yield and now with an improved manufacturing process they can.
 
No. A9X is about 15-20% faster than A8X.
That's only partially true, single core is almost double compared to A8X. A9X was a dual core (vs A8X 3 cores, but with almost double the single core speed, which in ipad make much more of a difference than multi-core).
An in real life the ipad pro 1st gen is definitely closer to the 2nd gen than to the Air 2....
 
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Don't see 2022 as remotely possible, they aren't going to keep essentially the same chip (which will be 4 years old) in 2022 for that long, especially as they'd be on the A15 next year. This feels like the 1st time in the iPhone/iPad new releases where they completely didn't mention a CPU/GPU performance increase (only mentioning 8 core GPU) which says A LOT.

The fact that they didn't even bother to really make an actual SOC update, and essentially only added the cameras and a bit of ram screams holdover device until they could make it feasible to put the mini-led (in 12" allegedly), 5G, and a probable A14X as the A14 iPhones would already be out by then.
Not quite the first time this has happened. Apple did much the same thing with the 3rd gen iPad released in the spring of 2012. It had an A5X chip that was just the same A5 found in the iPad 2 in 2011 with some extra graphic cores added to handle the new Retina display. The iPad 3 also turned out to be a holdover device too as the A5X was never quite powerful enough for the demands of the retina display, and it was quickly replaced by the iPad 4 with an A6X chip in the fall of the same year. Being one of the people who got burned by the iPad 3 is making it much easier to take a pass on this round. My 2018 Pro is still more than adequate for what I use it for and it sounds like some display improvements are coming in the next gen. Also, the fact that the Pro line starts at $800 rather than the $500 of the earlier iPads is helping keep my wallet closed this time.
 
Not quite the first time this has happened. Apple did much the same thing with the 3rd gen iPad released in the spring of 2012. It had an A5X chip that was just the same A5 found in the iPad 2 in 2011 with some extra graphic cores added to handle the new Retina display. The iPad 3 also turned out to be a holdover device too as the A5X was never quite powerful enough for the demands of the retina display, and it was quickly replaced by the iPad 4 with an A6X chip in the fall of the same year. Being one of the people who got burned by the iPad 3 is making it much easier to take a pass on this round. My 2018 Pro is still more than adequate for what I use it for and it sounds like some display improvements are coming in the next gen. Also, the fact that the Pro line starts at $800 rather than the $500 of the earlier iPads is helping keep my wallet closed this time.
Based on the latest rumors, we'll have a 5G ipad with A14X by the end of the year.
This makes perfect sense. 5G will come with A14 and is not ready yet. But waiting till the end of the year would have been too much as people were waiting for the new pro and some were holding off buying the 2018 model... So now people can buy the new ipad and at the end of the year we will have a A14X ipad with 5G and everything else staying the same, that's exactly what the rumors say (with a likely a bump in price and/or the current 4G model still continuing to be sold at the current price or at a discount as a cheaper 4G option...). With the current model not being discontinued nobody will feel screwed and it will be a win-win strategy for Apple...
 
Not quite the first time this has happened. Apple did much the same thing with the 3rd gen iPad released in the spring of 2012. It had an A5X chip that was just the same A5 found in the iPad 2 in 2011 with some extra graphic cores added to handle the new Retina display. The iPad 3 also turned out to be a holdover device too as the A5X was never quite powerful enough for the demands of the retina display, and it was quickly replaced by the iPad 4 with an A6X chip in the fall of the same year. Being one of the people who got burned by the iPad 3 is making it much easier to take a pass on this round. My 2018 Pro is still more than adequate for what I use it for and it sounds like some display improvements are coming in the next gen. Also, the fact that the Pro line starts at $800 rather than the $500 of the earlier iPads is helping keep my wallet closed this time.
Except that the A5x chip in the iPad 3 was woefully inadequate in powering the Retina display (I was noticeably getting skipped frames from running certain games that weren't all that demanding), which was subsequently rectified in the A6x chip of the iPad 4.

The A12x chip in the 2018 iPad Pro is still more than enough power for pretty much all its users, and I think the bigger challenge isn't in further improving processor speed, but in getting developers to create more powerful apps that actually make effective use of all this computing power.

I do agree that for the money I am paying, I would naturally expect the latest and greatest that Apple has to offer, but I don't anyone getting the 2020 iPad Pro will find it lacking for power.
 
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I hope Apple will show us some apps that developers have created with the LiDAR camera at WWDC.
Right now, it’s just feels like a more accurate measuring tool.

As such, the 2018 iPad Pro seems like the better deal (especially priced on Apple’s refurbished site) given the speeds are nearly identical. The extra 2gb of RAM may come in handy for those who are really pushing it with video editing.
I think for the majority, it’s a not really a concern with futureproofing.
 
I hope Apple will show us some apps that developers have created with the LiDAR camera at WWDC.
Right now, it’s just feels like a more accurate measuring tool.

As such, the 2018 iPad Pro seems like the better deal (especially priced on Apple’s refurbished site) given the speeds are nearly identical. The extra 2gb of RAM may come in handy for those who are really pushing it with video editing.
I think for the majority, it’s a not really a concern with futureproofing.
Nah, at least for the entry level model, the fact that it gets not only 50% more RAM but also twice the included storage (and the other various upgrades) makes the 2020 model the better buy IMO.
 
I hope Apple will show us some apps that developers have created with the LiDAR camera at WWDC.
Right now, it’s just feels like a more accurate measuring tool.

As such, the 2018 iPad Pro seems like the better deal (especially priced on Apple’s refurbished site) given the speeds are nearly identical. The extra 2gb of RAM may come in handy for those who are really pushing it with video editing.
I think for the majority, it’s a not really a concern with futureproofing.

This video shows some interesting possibilities with the new LiDAR capability -

New Capabilities Made Possible By the LiDAR Scanner on the 2020 iPad Pro

This is new, complex functionality and I think it will take a while before polished, sophisticated apps become available.
 
This video shows some interesting possibilities with the new LiDAR capability -

New Capabilities Made Possible By the LiDAR Scanner on the 2020 iPad Pro

This is new, complex functionality and I think it will take a while before polished, sophisticated apps become available.

Thanks, I hadn't seen that yet. It still seems geared to a niche pro market (perhaps rightly so). It will aid those in interior design and gaming. But for those who don't create, but simply consume, it's not an everyday use type feature.

Nah, at least for the entry level model, the fact that it gets not only 50% more RAM but also twice the included storage (and the other various upgrades) makes the 2020 model the better buy IMO.

If LIDAR isn't something you use, IMO, I'd rather save $300 USD and maybe put it towards the new Magic keyboard. Again, it depends on your use case. There are plenty of folks who use an iPad for writing/illustration that would love to have an iPad Pro/keyboard combination for about $1100 all in.
 
Nah, at least for the entry level model, the fact that it gets not only 50% more RAM but also twice the included storage (and the other various upgrades) makes the 2020 model the better buy IMO.

Doubling storage was big for me...now it’s 128GB it’s made me go down in storage and saves £100. 128GB is enough for me I reckon
 
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