What would be simpler? having a partition on a single hard drive? or having dual hard drives and booting into one or the other?
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What would be simpler? having a partition on a single hard drive? or having dual hard drives and booting into one or the other?
Well if you have another hard drive you might as well use it.
But a partition will also work just fine.
I usually keep my OSs on the same drive because I rather use my additional drives to separate work files / project data from macOS.
Not everyone here will judge or make assumptions, just keep that in mind!
As for the machine, it looks to be a good machine BUT I think that it is overpriced. There are Machines that you can find on eBay WITH AppleCare that sell for less than that price.
I'd keep looking if I were you.
Well, I have tried to download high sierra from the app store, and managed to install it natively on the mac pro. I now would like to get mojave running on it.
I found this apple page, https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208898, and there is a list of the graphics cards that are metal compatable that it said I can install. Which of these would be best? for Mojave? and maybe Catalina?
I found this apple page, https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208898, and there is a list of the graphics cards that are metal compatable that it said I can install. Which of these would be best? for Mojave? and maybe Catalina?
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Well, thank you, and for now, I have opted to update/upgrade my current desktop cMP mid 2010.
Excellent choice.
This thread has a lot of information on GPUs (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gpu-compatibility-list-for-cmp.2174600/), perhaps too much, but given that you say you are relatively new at the business of upgrading computers, here is the list of Mojave-compatible cards provided by Apple:
support.apple.com
I have no experience of this card, but from browsing this forum the Radeon RX 580 comes up a lot (the SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8GB GDDR5 in particular is listed). Mojave will be supported natively by your machine as long as you have a Metal card - you just won't have a boot screen. Anything beyond that will require patched installs and a little bit more tinkering, so it depends on what you're comfortable with.
This thread has a lot of information on GPUs (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gpu-compatibility-list-for-cmp.2174600/), perhaps too much, but given that you say you are relatively new at the business of upgrading computers, here is the list of Mojave-compatible cards provided by Apple:
Install macOS 10.14 Mojave on Mac Pro (Mid 2010) and Mac Pro (Mid 2012) – Apple Support (UK)
Learn how to prepare your Mac Pro (Mid 2010) or Mac Pro (Mid 2012) for macOS Mojave.
I have no experience of this card, but from browsing this forum the Radeon RX 580 comes up a lot (the SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8GB GDDR5 in particular is listed). Mojave will be supported natively by your machine as long as you have a Metal card - you just won't have a boot screen. Anything beyond that will require patched installs and a little bit more tinkering, so it depends on what you're comfortable with.
Excellent choice.
This thread has a lot of information on GPUs (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gpu-compatibility-list-for-cmp.2174600/), perhaps too much, but given that you say you are relatively new at the business of upgrading computers, here is the list of Mojave-compatible cards provided by Apple:
Install macOS 10.14 Mojave on Mac Pro (Mid 2010) and Mac Pro (Mid 2012) – Apple Support (UK)
Learn how to prepare your Mac Pro (Mid 2010) or Mac Pro (Mid 2012) for macOS Mojave.
I have no experience of this card, but from browsing this forum the Radeon RX 580 comes up a lot (the SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8GB GDDR5 in particular is listed). Mojave will be supported natively by your machine as long as you have a Metal card - you just won't have a boot screen. Anything beyond that will require patched installs and a little bit more tinkering, so it depends on what you're comfortable with.
Is a boot screen needed? is there a way to get it? is it a very complicated process? I don't want to fry my desktop. I would like to do this but keep everything as compatible as possible.
Edit, I looked at that list, it is alot, I would prefer a metal one that does not need additional power, and does not need flashing, but ready to go out of the box if possible. I would prefer to be able to just pop the card in if possible.
I run photoshop CS6, and do a little video editing and downloading videos online.
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If you are running a single-OS setup (ie just one version of MacOS) then it's really not needed. There are ways around it through things like OpenCore, but it doesn't seem like the sort of thing you'd be comfortable with.
You won't fry anything on your computer by not having one! You'll just miss the 'boot selector' at the start. If you don't know what that is, then it's a fair assumption that you won't miss having it
If it's any comfort, keep in mind that these cards I listed are supported by Apple. All you'll need to do is plug in the card, and you'll be able to upgrade to Mojave. In your case, I wouldn't go beyond Mojave as it probably requires more tinkering than you seem comfortable with.
If you decide you can't go without a bootscreen, your only choice is to purchase cards a Mac Edition GTX 680 (though it is quite an old card, so not a very good choice), or cards that have already been 'flashed' to have a boot screen through http://www.macvidcards.com/
Technically it is possible to get a bootscreen on e.g. RX580 Sapphire Pulse.
This is called flashing and is offered as a service or can be obtained as a readily flashed RX 580.
This way you'll see the gray screen with apple and progress bar (bootscreen).
On eBay you may find flashed cards search for "rx 580 mac" :
And the correct power cable:
This is called flashing and is offered as a service or can be obtained as a readily flashed RX 580.
This way you'll see the gray screen with apple and progress bar (bootscreen).
On eBay you may find flashed cards search for "rx 580 mac" :
rx 580 mac: Search Result | eBay
Buy and sell electronics, cars, fashion apparel, collectibles, sporting goods, digital cameras, baby items, coupons, and everything else on eBay, the world's online marketplace
www.ebay.com
And the correct power cable:
18 AWG Dual Mini 6 Pin to 8 Pin PCI Express Braided Sleeved Cable for Mac Pro | eBay
Compatible with Power Mac G5 and all Mac Pro Models including: (1,1) - (5,1) or (2006) - (2012). 2x mini 6 pin male. standard GPU 8 Pin male. Wire Gauge.
www.ebay.com
Technically it is possible to get a bootscreen on e.g. RX580 Sapphire Pulse.
This is called flashing and is offered as a service or can be obtained as a readily flashed RX 580.
This way you'll see the gray screen with apple and progress bar (bootscreen).
On eBay you may find flashed cards search for "rx 580 mac" :
rx 580 mac: Search Result | eBay
Buy and sell electronics, cars, fashion apparel, collectibles, sporting goods, digital cameras, baby items, coupons, and everything else on eBay, the world's online marketplacewww.ebay.com
And the correct power cable:
18 AWG Dual Mini 6 Pin to 8 Pin PCI Express Braided Sleeved Cable for Mac Pro | eBay
Compatible with Power Mac G5 and all Mac Pro Models including: (1,1) - (5,1) or (2006) - (2012). 2x mini 6 pin male. standard GPU 8 Pin male. Wire Gauge.www.ebay.com
Ok, not sure how I would use the cable along with the card, I have never installed a graphics card, just some ram in it so far.
On the LogicBoard there are 2 power connectors (mini 6 pin) and on the card there's 1 connector (8 pin).
Maybe this is helpful to get an idea about how to install the card, maintenance etc:
Getting a 6,1 nMP is a viable choice IMHO but I would not pay $2500 for a used one. I recently picked up a new-old-stock that was eligible for AppleCare and so far I am liking it but I paid much less than that, actually less than a similarly equipped Mini. Mine is a 6-core not the 12. However, you have gotten a lot of good advice regarding keeping your current cMP up to date which should be doable for at least a couple more years. I personally did not want to have the worry about patching the OS and its important to me to keep compatible with my laptop and iPads so the 6,1 seems to be a good choice.
Ok, still a little overwhelmed by the choices listed here, and all great info, but it is a bit much to wade through, from the Apple list;
Which of these?
From the forums list;
6.3. For MacPro 4.1 - 5.1
The best price/performance/troubles ratio cards with Boot Screen:
What I do with my mac is some Adobe photoshop, illustrator, InDesign, some video editing, downloading videos from online, and I may be taking an online class in design which will be using CAD design software.
I also run parallels with windows xp professional (for legacy software), and windows 7 professional, and in the future might install windows 10.
I appreciate the forum links to the various cards, they are a bit different from Apple's list, I did not know there were so many.
My mac pro now has High Sierra, and it is a 5,1; and the graphics card it has right now is; ATI Radeon HD 5770.
I would like to keep things under $350-$400 if possible, I am a student on a budget.
Which of these?
- MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5
- SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8GB GDDR5
- SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7950 Mac Edition
- NVIDIA Quadro K5000 for Mac
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Mac Edition
From the forums list;
6.3. For MacPro 4.1 - 5.1
The best price/performance/troubles ratio cards with Boot Screen:
- for GUI and 2D - ATI Radeon 5770,
- for 3D - Nvidia GTX 680, ATI Radeon HD 7970 / R9 280x.
- for GUI and 2D - ATI Radeon RX 560,
- for 3D - ATI Radeon VEGA 56.
What I do with my mac is some Adobe photoshop, illustrator, InDesign, some video editing, downloading videos from online, and I may be taking an online class in design which will be using CAD design software.
I also run parallels with windows xp professional (for legacy software), and windows 7 professional, and in the future might install windows 10.
I appreciate the forum links to the various cards, they are a bit different from Apple's list, I did not know there were so many.
My mac pro now has High Sierra, and it is a 5,1; and the graphics card it has right now is; ATI Radeon HD 5770.
I would like to keep things under $350-$400 if possible, I am a student on a budget.
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It looks like the RX580 is a good card, in upper limit of my budget, would not want to spend much more than that.
I see used and refurbished on ebay, is it safe to get a used or refurbished? or am i better getting a new one?
I see used and refurbished on ebay, is it safe to get a used or refurbished? or am i better getting a new one?
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The RX 580 Sapphire Pulse is a very popular choice and a good card.
If you'd better get a new or a used one depends on your budget.
The RX580 is a relatively new card, comparing to e.g. GTX 680...
Until now I've had only positive experiences with eBay sellers , I'd look for a (close to) 100% positive reputation and preferably a major seller (in case of issues).
I have the Sapphire Radeon RX 580 in my 4,1 (flashed to 5,1). I bought the card in January and it was pretty straightforward. I followed the directions on the forum and bought the power cable off Amazon. It’s a pretty substantial card, and I found mine made quite a bit of noise, so I run Macs Fan Control and it takes care of that.
Ok, that is informative, I have macs fan control installed, will it control some of the noise so my workstation does not sound like an airport? does it make the mac run much hotter?
It tends to ramp up the fan when you first boot, and after it does that, it'll go back down to a normal setting. It is a bit louder than the GT 120 card that came with my Mac, but that's not a fair comparison since that card was nothing.
That’s a good price and a fraction of a 7,1 with comparable specs. You’d need a Vega II to get the same level of FP64 performance. The 6,1 is a great buy right now because it’s still supported and will have a similar lifespan as the 7,1.