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I have seen a lot of failures with any WD 10,000 rpm disk I have tried. 5 failed disks out of about 10 that I have used. If you want speed, go solid state.

I stick to 7,200 now for conventional drives. A dead 10,000 is much slower than a live 7,200.
 
Hrm.. has it ever been proven that "enterprise level" hard drives crash less than others?

It's not as though they put in a magic circuit that fixes the things that total most drives, and if they did, it wouldn't cost more to put them in the "consumer" drives.
In my experience, Yes, the enterprise grade disks do last longer (or can handle a heavier beating err... load ... than a consumer unit for the same period of time, such as what typically occurs with RAID use).

In the past, an enterprise disk would typically use better mechanical components (i.e. better servos, spindle motors, bearings with tighter tolerances, and better platter assy mounting methods to keep vibration in check). Unfortunately, this isn't really the case any longer (they do still "cherry pick" platters to meet 1E15 Bit Error rates for the enterprise units, and keep consumer disks at 1E14), but it's now the same mechanical parts with additional sensors (i.e. fly height adjustment that is used to combat platter vibration). The firmware also changes to utilize the additional sensors (and why enterprise versions are stable when attached to RAID cards, as the recovery timings are adjusted for this type of use).

Some makers, such as Hitachi, have had their consumer units suffer in quality due to a manufacturing facility relocation (to China in Hitachi's case), which is reflected in the RMA filings (newegg can give a clue to this, though as you pointed out, how the reviewer considers other factors can generate a false negative or positive, such as 4 eggs for a DOA disk that was replaced quickly by newegg). Simply put, results such as this is a result of cost cutting gone awry. :(

I look at the stats from Newegg's review section and they're all over the place. Consumer and "enterprise" drives have ratings that are usually the same. In fact, I read some of the 4 star reviews of WD Blacks, for instance, and they're a LOT less likely to rate based on failure, skewing the stats even more. There are a few reviews that say "well the first one I got failed, but since I got a new one from WD quickly, I'm giving this 4 stars."
No, the results aren't absolute due to such reviews (i.e. they gave a good rating on a DOA disk due to newegg's handling of a return), but it can give a good clue as to the defect rate (it includes damage that can occur during the shipping, but it's ultimately relevant IMO, as it's part of the real world).

But to get a clearer picture (eliminate such ratings), it means reading all the reviews (at least a decent scan), and recompute them (i.e. ding a DOA or early failed disk to 1 egg, no matter how well newegg handled the problem and was subsequently rated by the original poster). Then calculate the 1 egg reviews in terms of %. It's the closest thing you can do with recent disks, as long term data (i.e. what gets generated by disk recovery services) isn't available until years later.

In addition, Google did some hard drive tests a while back and released the data. They found "consumer" drives are incredibly reliable.
If this is what I think you're referring to, that's long term data generated by the disk recovery industry, so the data is based on older disks.

Aggressive cost cutting may have taken place since those units were made, and has had a negative effect on the products as a result.

I switched to a 10k RPM raptor years ago and noticed a HUGE difference with OS X 10.3 and 10.4. However, I retired the drive for a while and dug it up a couple months ago to put 10.6 on it.. I don't notice much difference at all now between the drive I was using (a 750GB WD) and the 10k.
Platter density is a major focus of the mechanical storage industry, and is where most of the speed increases comes from. So a few years makes quite a difference, and why an earlier Raptor or Velociraptor can no longer beat the pants off of more recently produced 7200 rpm disks (if the older 10k rpm units even beats it at all).

I suppose I could clock the boot times and see which is better, but I have a bunch of drivers that would probably handicap my established installation unless I cloned it.
Test the disks for random access performance, as that's what booting relys on. ;) No need to clone, set the disk to be tested to the boot location, ... to do a stopwatch test. :D
 
As usual, nanofrog, you hit several nails directly on their heads.

Re: Using NewEgg's reviews: The point was that I had scanned the reviews, and found the failure rates to be similar. I think what you described regarding the use of the same parts for 'enterprise' and consumer drives is reflected in the failure rates.

After all, the consumer drives compete with each other as well. If a company like Seagate decides to make their drives as failure-free as WD's "enterprise" drives, they'd take the market.

What really surprised me was the failure rates on SSD's--about as high as platters (oh crap, I hope I don't step on a SSD fanboy's dreams :( )

Platter density is a major focus of the mechanical storage industry, and is where most of the speed increases comes from. So a few years makes quite a difference, and why an earlier Raptor or Velociraptor can no longer beat the pants off of more recently produced 7200 rpm disks (if the older 10k rpm units even beats it at all).

Yeah, I figured the comparison of an old 10k to a new 7.2k would confound results, but it's the only 2¢ I have so I thought I'd throw it in. :)
 
Re: Using NewEgg's reviews: The point was that I had scanned the reviews, and found the failure rates to be similar. I think what you described regarding the use of the same parts for 'enterprise' and consumer drives is reflected in the failure rates.
I realize that. It's down to what you're comparing (i.e. consumer v. consumer, consumer v. enterprise, or enterprise v. enterprise), and getting as accurate of information as possible. ;)

After all, the consumer drives compete with each other as well. If a company like Seagate decides to make their drives as failure-free as WD's "enterprise" drives, they'd take the market.
Absolutely.

Now say in the case of WD v. Seagate's consumer models (specifically Caviar Blacks v. 7200.12), the WD's fare better. The fact that the Caviar Blacks still use platters rated at 1E15 helps matters, but it's only part of the equation. So such comparisons are all that's really possible, and they're quite relevant for those who want to avoid buying junk (can't eliminate, but at least reduce the odds of getting a DOA unit).

But all of them have higher failure rates than they did in the past (say previously you'd see 5 - 7% failure rates, has given way to 10 - 13% at best, and some are quite a bit worse than that, such as the Seagate 7200.12's from what I've seen). Sad too, as Seagate used to be a brand I relied on heavily (still use them for SAS, but have stopped using or recommending their SATA units all together). If they fix their issues, I'll use them again if the price/performance works.

What really surprised me was the failure rates on SSD's--about as high as platters (oh crap, I hope I don't step on a SSD fanboy's dreams :(
It's still rather new tech, but cost cutting isn't limited to mechanical disks either. Ultimately, it shows in the final product, no matter what the issues are. But combined issues tend to make for a mess.
 
I have 2 600gb velociraptors in my 2010 MP and although they are not used as the OS drive in my setup (using ssd), they are fine otherwise and work well for the bootcamp drive for instance.
 
Love my 600GB Velociraptor. Much more to disk speed than straight bandwidth. The WD's cut access time in half from the 1TB 2TB monsters. That and very fast workstation i/o. WD always wins those tests vs. comparable offerings and especially with 10,000 RPM speeds. My velociraptor is so much faster feeling than my Samsung F3 which has the same benched transfer speeds.
But really SSD prices are falling so it is not really the best cost performance ratio at the moment or ever again. A 100GB or less boot SSD and 1TB home HDD will set you back around 300.00 and would blow away the raptors.
 
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