Is Yosemite the Windows Vista of Mac?

[tkwolf]

Mavericks was vista and Yosemite Is W8, apple missed out the 'good one'

Hmm it's weird cos Yosemite is probably my fave, but it feels like it's just not as optimised the way I see it. I think Apple felt the pressure to release this product. Having said that, I only have high hopes for 10.11 in terms of stability.

Yosemite is definitely just too heavy. An operating system should never raise such concerns, it should be slim and stable to let users enjoy their applications. The Vista comparison isn’t far-fetched in my opinion, I too remember Vista as a system that brought lots of new eye-candy and redesigned interfaces, but at the cost of performance. The underlying technology improvements, while there, are not things that the end user will get to see or necessarily experience. Apple was always about a good end-user experience and I think that Yosemite’s current state is definitely not the best they could offer.

You expressed my sentiments. Curious though, having used vista before, I definitely think vista was heaps more awful. Yosemite is good in its own right but just not quite there. I think 10.11 will be a good one.

 

[Liam555]

I have to agree with you. Yosemite is by far my favourite OS on mac by far. It does however feel slightly boated, but still runs fast enough for me not to care.

 

[Agent-J]

Slow? Made it damn near unusable. I was seriously considering installing windows 7 on it.

Have a rMBP 13" now and it mostly performs fine, but OSX Yosemite just plain stutters on it. And its irritating.

One of Apple's issues is that in their desperate need for thinness and all-day battery life, they practically under-spec everything now. The Intel graphics are only barely able to keep up with retina display levels of pixels, for example, and the clock rates of the processors are low to save energy. Casual users web-browsing don't notice so much, but power users must.

You see this even in the phones, where stuttering iPhone 6+ units can barely keep up with the demands of the OS. You shouldn't have stutter on your flagship devices.

Sadly, software bloat may be beating out Moore's Law at Apple... A good bit of the frustration with Yosemite is that for many users, the added functionality is less important than the loss in performance. I would love to see Apple embrace faster processors and more discrete graphics options, but the current design thinking of thin and all-day battery life really works against that possibility.

 

[satcomer]

I just want to point out that I REALLY HATE users like you in this forum.
You act like I'm dissing your entire life with your passive aggressiveness.

Pls don't post on here unitl your period has left your body. With that eye roll, I hope your eyes roll right to sides and never go back.

I was merely seeking opinions, for people to help give me their views. You on the other hand are as helpless as your eye rolling.

This forum is so toxic, you cannot even say anything constructive because the people will immediately feel like their existence is being attacked. You are almost no different than the hormonal raging teenagers of diablo 3 forums.

Toxic? You seem to think just because you think something about Apple then others here must think this about Apple.

You seem to be part of the problem because you seem to hate Apple line a child that hates peas.

 

[tkwolf]

I have to agree with you. Yosemite is by far my favourite OS on mac by far. It does however feel slightly boated, but still runs fast enough for me not to care.

I have noticed that on my iMac and MBPro I have been running into more issues than I did with mavericks and the previous OS.
I am exicted to see where they take this with the rumors floating around about stability being the focus of the next mac and iphone OS.

 

[e93to]

Well, I like Vista. Never had issues on any computers. I still use it on Bootcamp time to time.

I agree Yosemite and Mavericks have been problematic. Personally I have not experienced any issues with 10.10 on 100gb partition on my late-2012 iMac (except for Finder stutter). But my friends complain about it a lot. Funny thing is... overall performance of 10.10 varies even on same machines despite clean install. For example, a base 2013 13" MBP would have choppy animations while another would have non-stop spinning fans at max RPM. And another would be fine without any issues. All these people use their MBP's for basic browsing and school work.

 

[TheEnthusiast]

I will say this: based on my it seems to me that the lag problems are more apparent on rMBPs. I won't say it is vista-esque as far as OS X goes, but Yosemite definitely took a few steps back in terms. There are several examples of this such as the frame-rate drops or Preview struggling with large PDFs. A clean install, PRAM reset doesn't do anything to help it either. I recently did a clean install of Mavericks, though, and it is certainly, much smoother than Yosemite, so hopefully this is something Apple can work on in the future.

Also, OP, you shouldn't get too worked up over the diehard Apple supporters here; I've seen countless times where people point out issues with the OS and others attack the poster by making passive-aggressive comments followed by the typical :roll eyes: rather than offering meaningful advice. If there are issues with the OS, considering the prices for these computers, there is no reason why a user should have to live with these issues or make compromises such as disabling transparency.

 

[Ebenezum]

Having used all major OS X versions I am less than impressed with Yosemite. Mavericks was very stable and it was reasonable fast on old iMac. On Mac Mini 2014 Yosemite is extremely slow on hard drive. After I installed SSD it is much better but I am very upset that Apple didn't properly test it on hard drive.

Performance aside Yosemite still has plenty of bugs which I have reported to Apple but most of them have not been fixed. I suspect Apple released Yosemite way too early and I am rapidly loosing my confidence with Apple. I seriously hope 10.11 is much better and Apple finally stop turning OS X into iOs like toy.

Lion = Vista.
Yosemite = 666.

 

[MikhailT]

I'm happy to call Yosemite the Vista of OS X. Why? Because MS released W7 afterward and that was an awesome OS update.

MS keeps cycling between good and bad updates. 95 > 98, ME > XP, Vista > W7, and W8 > W10.

The Windows 10 builds so far are noticeably fast compared to OS X. I like it and would consider to switching to Windows 10 if Apple does not clean up next month with the 10.11 announcement.

Snow Leopard was their last great update (10.6.3 was the first best update and improved later). Lion was a mess but ML was definitely a better refined version of Lion.

Mavericks.. was okay. Not that big of a deal IMO but Yosemite went backward with horrible network stack issues. They're improved things for the better IMO with the .2/.3 updates but .4 looks like all momentum has stopped. Probably just moved everybody onto 10.11 instead.

Here's hoping 10.11 is the first great update we're looking for.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

I never understood the intense distaste for Lion. I never had any major issues.

They removed multi-monitor support. Nuff said.

 

[leman]

I never understood why Vista has such a bad reputation... it was first Windows that did not require a reinstall every second month to keep running. And it was the first Windows where they have implemented proper OS safety and user permissions. Of course, people had issues with that because for over a decade, Windows programmers and users alike where used to literally **** where they eat. If I think about 'bad' Windows, all before Windows were horrible. Especially the Millennium edition. Although XP was not much better.

So I guess the real question is whether Yosemite is the 'failure' in the OS X line. I would answer this question with a firm 'no'. In my experience, its the fastest, most stable OS X I have ever worked with, and also the one that has most features. I know that some people here loudly proclaim Snow Leopard as the best, but I have to maintain a legacy server which still runs Snow Leopard, and let me tell you, I am very happy to go back to Yosemite every time.

 

[Traverse]

They removed multi-monitor support. Nuff said.

Only using Lion's fullscreen feature. You could keep using it like you did in SL unless I'm missing something.

 

[TechGod]

One of Apple's issues is that in their desperate need for thinness and all-day battery life, they practically under-spec everything now. The Intel graphics are only barely able to keep up with retina display levels of pixels, for example, and the clock rates of the processors are low to save energy. Casual users web-browsing don't notice so much, but power users must.

You see this even in the phones, where stuttering iPhone 6+ units can barely keep up with the demands of the OS. You shouldn't have stutter on your flagship devices.

Sadly, software bloat may be beating out Moore's Law at Apple... A good bit of the frustration with Yosemite is that for many users, the added functionality is less important than the loss in performance. I would love to see Apple embrace faster processors and more discrete graphics options, but the current design thinking of thin and all-day battery life really works against that possibility.

Not quite. The problem isn't the hardware at all. It's purely software. Apple never keeps graphics drivers up to date either. There's a reason why windows machines have higher FPS in games even if the mac and Windows laptop have the same GPU. There's also a reason why Win10 runs better than OSX on the MacBook and it ain't the hardware...

 

[MikhailT]

I never understood why Vista has such a bad reputation... it was first Windows that did not require a reinstall every second month to keep running. And it was the first Windows where they have implemented proper OS safety and user permissions. Of course, people had issues with that because for over a decade, Windows programmers and users alike where used to literally **** where they eat. If I think about 'bad' Windows, all before Windows were horrible. Especially the Millennium edition. Although XP was not much better.

So I guess the real question is whether Yosemite is the 'failure' in the OS X line. I would answer this question with a firm 'no'. In my experience, its the fastest, most stable OS X I have ever worked with, and also the one that has most features. I know that some people here loudly proclaim Snow Leopard as the best, but I have to maintain a legacy server which still runs Snow Leopard, and let me tell you, I am very happy to go back to Yosemite every time.

The problem was mainly because Microsoft did everything at once without thinking ahead of what the users might go through and released Vista too early (Vista was overhauled again in the middle of the development cycle) without also giving the companies enough time to polish their drivers.

Microsoft were overambitious with Vista, the very same problem with Windows 8.

My first problem with Vista was the UAC, it was constantly prompting every single minute and getting in my way of work. Second was the new driver model, had a lot of issues with drivers screwing everything up. They did improve it later but it was enough to push me back to XP for good until W7 came out with a better design.

If Vista was given another year in development, it would've been a good release.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

Only using Lion's fullscreen feature. You could keep using it like you did in SL unless I'm missing something.

The fullscreen feature of video players like iTunes used the native fullscreen, so if you wanted to watch a movie in full screen, your other screen became useless. In Snow leopard and earlier, full screen wouldn't render your 2nd (or 3rd) monitor useless.

 

[DHagan4755]

Snow Leopard was buggy when it first came out. But it really turned out to be rock solidly spectacular.

I'm stilling running Mavericks on my personal MacBook Pro. I bought this laptop on June 16th, 2014 and the last time I rebooted it was June 30th, 2014. That's pretty impressive for a laptop.

Meanwhile my work MacBook Pro has been up 35 days on Yosemite. Seems like once Apple gets past a few point releases, things are mostly shored up, although I feel Yosemite still has wireless issues for some.

 

[0000757]

10.0 was Apple's "Vista".

Seriously, if anyone remembers using that (I wasn't even coherent with computers back then, but I hear all the horror stories from the family) it must be the worst.

 

[jan1024188]

Slow? Made it damn near unusable. I was seriously considering installing windows 7 on it.

Have a rMBP 13" now and it mostly performs fine, but OSX Yosemite just plain stutters on it. And its irritating.

I seem to have the same issue.

 

[maflynn]

My infatuation for OSX is nearing its end if Apple keeps this up.

I wouldn't call my preference for OS X infatuation but I am eager to see what apple does at WWDC. This will help define the direction I go in for my next purchase.

At the moment Apple's direction and quality of Yosemite have given me pause. For my next computer I may not pay the premium for a MBP or an iMac and instead opt for a PC. Windows 10 has everything I need and want, its also quite solid, even though its only a tech preview.

As for OS X, I think apple really needs to hunker down and clean up the bugs, make the OS solid/stable. Instead they seem to be intent on blurring the lines between iOS and OS X.

Yosemite isn't Apple's Vista and to be honest that accusation has been levied against multiple versions of OS X over the years. I do think Yosemite represents a newer way of apple approaching the OS and that's where I have my issues.

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10.0 was Apple's "Vista".

No it wasn't. I was using it, I had the beta installed, I also was running OS 9 on my Macs. It was a buggy mess, but apple was quick to turn things around. it represented (for mac users) a revolutionary new operating system with protected memory, highly polished graphic UI and requirements that were a bit beyond what was currently out there.

Such a radical change could only be qualified as teething problems and apple was prompt to address them.

 

[TechGod]

I wouldn't call my preference for OS X infatuation but I am eager to see what apple does at WWDC. This will help define the direction I go in for my next purchase.

At the moment Apple's direction and quality of Yosemite have given me pause. For my next computer I may not pay the premium for a MBP or an iMac and instead opt for a PC. Windows 10 has everything I need and want, its also quite solid, even though its only a tech preview.

As for OS X, I think apple really needs to hunker down and clean up the bugs, make the OS solid/stable. Instead they seem to be intent on blurring the lines between iOS and OS X.

Yosemite isn't Apple's Vista and to be honest that accusation has been levied against multiple versions of OS X over the years. I do think Yosemite represents a newer way of apple approaching the OS and that's where I have my issues.

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No it wasn't. I was using it, I had the beta installed, I also was running OS 9 on my Macs. It was a buggy mess, but apple was quick to turn things around. it represented (for mac users) a revolutionary new operating system with protected memory, highly polished graphic UI and requirements that were a bit beyond what was currently out there.

Such a radical change could only be qualified as teething problems and apple was prompt to address them.

I loved OSX to death before, now I to am waking up from the koolaid and realize Windows 10 has everything I need as well.

 

[bbfc]

Mavericks was vista and Yosemite Is W8, apple missed out the 'good one'

Mavericks was a good release. Not sure why people slate it.

The problem with Vista was mainly driver support. Yosemite is getting there. 10.10.4 seems to have fixed a lot.

 

[Michael Goff]

I don't think so. Then again, apparently every release lately is their "Vista". You can search the forum and find Mavericks or Mountain Lion or Lion being declared as their Vista.

 

[maflynn]

I loved OSX to death before, now I to am waking up from the koolaid and realize Windows 10 has everything I need as well.

I've been using Apple's OS since System 7, I've enjoyed for the most part each iteration and upgrade, though going from OS 8 to OS 9 didn't seem to offer too much if memory serves me. I've enjoyed each version of OS X, starting from the public beta of 10.0. I'm not saying each version was great, I didn't like Leopard, I felt it was to bloated compared how great OS X 10.4 (Tiger) ran.

My point is while I may not have liked a given version, I saw the directions and of the hardware and software and both fit what I expecting a computer to do.

We'll have to wait and see what 10.11 brings but right now I'm not liking the direction that apple has chosen.

 

[KALLT]

Vista's UI was a crime against humanity!

I disagree. Vista was beautiful at the time. The UI was well-crafted with lots of attention to detail. I actually used a theme when I still had XP, because I couldn’t stand the garish blue colour theme of XP anymore (the green and dark-grey themes weren’t much better).

Vista’s problem was that it had few new things for end users while having a significant performance overhead. I know many people who didn’t bother with Vista, saying that it wouldn’t change how they used their computers, but instead put a strain on their hardware. That was particularly true for people who needed every bit of performance they could get, especially gamers. Why would you buy new hardware just to get to the same level of performance when you can equally stay with XP as long as it’s supported? They were right when early reports followed that Microsoft would set things right in Windows 7.

 

[garirry]

Vista was very buggy, although it introduced a great new design and more features. Yosemite, on the other hand, is not only eye-straining, but is very very buggy. I seriously hate modern Apple for publishing a software that isn't even developed. I'd rather pay 40$ for a good software with fixed bugs. I don't know how it is now, because I already downgraded to Mavericks and now I'm getting a Windows PC.