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But, this thread is really about iCloud Keychain. I have to think through what my reservations mean with respect to counting on iCloud Keychain. I use 1Password and duplicate all my passwords in my 1Password account and a Dropbox vault. I believe the iCloud Keychain is completely safe from prying eyes, but I don't rely on it to remember critical things.
I use several keepass safes for my passwords, but I also let iCloud save passwords if I consider them ‘safe’ to be placed there. It’s never forgotten anything, quite the contrary- I have found passwords from years and years ago in there that I thought where lost forever, or forgotten I’d even created. It’s uncannily good at automatically remembering everything.
 
But, this thread is really about iCloud Keychain. I have to think through what my reservations mean with respect to counting on iCloud Keychain. I use 1Password and duplicate all my passwords in my 1Password account and a Dropbox vault. I believe the iCloud Keychain is completely safe from prying eyes, but I don't rely on it to remember critical things.
I too believe keychain is safe.
 
I have a backup everything that is in my iCloud. And for everyone else that would like to do that, go to AppleID.Apple.com and request your data. Once Apple confirms your identity, you will be provided with a working link to download all your iCloud data.
Coincidentally, I requested my data on 11/22. They immediately sent an email saying they were preparing it and would get back to me in a few days. I still haven't heard anything. That just speaks what you should count on if you need your data quickly.

It's great that you have a backup of everything that is in your iCloud. I don't know if I do. I don't know how to ensure that everything that is in iCloud has been downloaded. I think you're suggesting you are sure it all has. But, "sure" is subjective. I just require a much higher confidence level before I use the word "sure".

I bet we're all violently agreeing, but just focusing on different things. Just to clarify, my wife and I have home businesses. We both have documents from clients going back years that must be preserved. We do need enterprise level confidence. Cloud solutions that offer to offload your data to save space introduce a wrinkle.

Here's another serious liability. If you use Dropbox and you inadvertently turn on the feature that backs up your documents and also have iCloud storing your Document folder, you will likely lose data. This happened to my daughter. I've lost track of the page that I originally read about the issue, but check this out.
 
Doesn‘t iCloud Keychain require an user-defined encryption code? Whenever I sign into a new device and turn on iCloud Keychain, it asks me for a 4-6 digit code I set when I turned on iCloud Keychain for the first time.

So even if someone got into your account, said person would still need to know your code for Keychain to enable it.
Oh you know what, you may be right, I think it just opens for me because of face ID so I dont need to put a pw in. But isnt the pw the same one to unlock your phone or can you set another pw
 
Oh you know what, you may be right, I think it just opens for me because of face ID so I dont need to put a pw in. But isnt the pw the same one to unlock your phone or can you set another pw
With iOS I believe it’s the same password. You can set a different one with keychain on the Mac though- or you could before. Your phone is personal though, a strong lock code makes the point null and void I would think.

Most other password solutions offer similar integration as iCloud Keychain, but allow different codes whilst still accepting faceID. You can go that route if you feel paranoid- but be aware that most fall back on your phone password unless you explicitly change it at least when accessing it via that device, so really it’s irrelevant at that point.
 
Coincidentally, I requested my data on 11/22. They immediately sent an email saying they were preparing it and would get back to me in a few days. I still haven't heard anything. That just speaks what you should count on if you need your data quickly.

It's great that you have a backup of everything that is in your iCloud. I don't know if I do. I don't know how to ensure that everything that is in iCloud has been downloaded. I think you're suggesting you are sure it all has. But, "sure" is subjective. I just require a much higher confidence level before I use the word "sure".

I bet we're all violently agreeing, but just focusing on different things. Just to clarify, my wife and I have home businesses. We both have documents from clients going back years that must be preserved. We do need enterprise level confidence. Cloud solutions that offer to offload your data to save space introduce a wrinkle.

Here's another serious liability. If you use Dropbox and you inadvertently turn on the feature that backs up your documents and also have iCloud storing your Document folder, you will likely lose data. This happened to my daughter. I've lost track of the page that I originally read about the issue, but check this out.

Reaching closure on this (at least for me). Last night I saved an important document to iCloud while working on my phone. In the middle of the night a TM backup and a CC clone of my computer both ran. In the morning, neither backup had the file. I went to the folder and the file wasn't there. I made a slight modification to another file and then the missing file showed up. Maybe I just have some kind of bug, but this is not a one-time problem for me.
 
Incidents with information leaks from the iCloud service were of course. See how many stolen photos and videos from celebrity accounts. But as for me, they are to blame for everything themselves. And in this situation, it all depends on the user. What password to set, do not catch the virus.
 
Incidents with information leaks from the iCloud service were of course. See how many stolen photos and videos from celebrity accounts. But as for me, they are to blame for everything themselves. And in this situation, it all depends on the user. What password to set, do not catch the virus.

I seem to remember these were cracked weak passwords, and nothing to do with iCloud security...
 
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