It's for someone that does want their computer to be a closed appliance but where does that leave the other Mac users?
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Isn't this what Apple is doing wrong in regards to OS X?
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Have any of you guys actually tried out Windows 7? It is very impressive in comparison to Vista and even XP. Quite obviously, I still do prefer OS X considering I rarely use PCs, but Windows is getting better...
still on their macs?
Can we not get into a Microsoft vs Apple pissing match here?
Any way, to the OP, it seems like your suggesting in your title that Apple is indeed doing something "wrong" somehow. 25 Billion in the bank isnt my definition of wrong
. And it also seems your suggesting for them to not be doing wrong theyd have to essentially become microsoft.
It's typical to think this but it's really Apple Inc. vs. Apple Computer, Inc. and Apple vs. its users.still on their macs?
Can we not get into a Microsoft vs Apple pissing match here?
Any way, to the OP, it seems like your suggesting in your title that Apple is indeed doing something "wrong" somehow. 25 Billion in the bank isnt my definition of wrong
So we are flamebaiting threads now?
Anyway, is it apple's low marketshare that makes people consider them doing things "wrong"?
Still, it's the same point I think. All these pissing matches are old and really tiresome.
I don't understand this either.
So we are flamebaiting threads now?
Anyway, is it apple's low marketshare that makes people consider them doing things "wrong"?
Apple isn't doing it wrong for Apple. It's doing it wrong for me though. I'm sure there are dozens of switchers ready to burn money for Apple over losing me.
In before xMac or Mac minitower.
Well, 47% of Apple's profits come from Macs in first quarter '08, and I think it's gone up since then...Mac sales have been going up a lot this year, and iPod sales haven't been, although the iPhone might make up for that. They sell 10X as many iPods as Macs, but then Macs cost 10X what iPods do.
--Eric
Thats the thing about companies, its not wrong to go after a market they want to go after. Apple/no company exsists to fit your individual needs, rather they pick and choose who they want to go after.
The thing is that I understand that. I too was a happy switcher once but after so many years you just can't take what Apple is doing to what you thought it was at the beginning. Then it sets in that Apple is just another company and the luster fades.
Exactly. Vista/Xp is really huge simply due to OEM sales when you buy a computer. MS will obviously not tell people this, but I bet that retail sales of Vista are near zero of make up a minute percentage of OS sales in total.
They sell well because they are (or rather have been) the only real choice of OS's by the public. Part of this was the point of history when Apple nearly went bankrupt. The cloners (which MS doesn't compete with) ensured that computers blanked the market.
Another thing is that Microsoft goes way out it's way to accommodate business needs in whatever way they want to - a business method that directly opposes Apple's philosophy. Consider how much we know about Windows 7 (which has been leaked and talked about to death my MS) compared to Snow Leopard (very little detailed about it beyond screen shots). Thats despite the fact that Snow Leopard will probably go out to sale before Windows 7 will.
Microsoft's devotion to businesses ensures that companies buy Microsoft software en masse. Sales to enterprises are huge in size when you look at large companies. These trickle down to consumers who buy Windows out of sheer apathy (they don't know anything else), work compatibility (or that they use Windows at work), or for some special purpose that they cannot get from Apple or Linux like a home server (I know that Linux does this, but Windows is still out there and Apple is not) or for gaming (very minor on the Mac due to graphics limits on consumer devices, and nearly non existent on *nix system).
The vast majority of windows purchases are when you get a computer or by enterprises with volume licenses. Upgrading with retail does happen, but the whole debacle with Vista Capable proves that it doesn't goes well all that often. The whole Vista Capable mess was just so that people would keep buying computers and not wait for Vista.
The "luster" of Apple is never why I bought a PowerBook in the first place. I switched simply because OS X Tiger was way ahead of XP. They got the rest of my business (MacBook, iPhone, Airport Express) because the user experience, apps and integration was just at a higher level than anything that was in the Windows world (it's been 3.5 years).
Spotlight image tagging and the scripting tools to accomplish it was my reason. I still wish there was an application that scanned my image metadata and told me which ones were untagged though. Apple's hardware is rather lackluster though. I'll just stick with my MacBook for now until 2010.
The user experience is nice but the hardware is what matters most to me. I'm sticking with refurbished and using my education or corporate discount when it applies.
They wouldn't be anywhere at all if PC clones hadn't been produced. The great job they've done distributing software is completely dependent on that event.
Spotlight is what blew me away as well.
Although, the hardware isn't any worse than from any other manufacturer in my opinion. If you're referring to failure rate than anything dealing with electronics has a higher defect rate than with anything else, especially with machines that are as complicated as computers. In my opinion, Apple's no worse than any other company in that regard.
If you're talking about hardware features (# of USB ports, etc), then I can see your point. For me their products suit my electronic lifestyle. Simple and as uncomplicated as possible.
It's the specifications and features. It's annoying to only get 2-3 USB ports when my Q6600 machine has 10 and could have more.
I'm sure my minimalist case makes eyes bleed.
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Exactly. As it has been said before, people generally do not buy Windows on its own (outside of system builders, enterprises, and the people victimized by the Vista Capable event). They get it for "free" when they get their computer from an OEM every 3-5 years (when their current computer breaks down). Of course those OEM's tend to be companies like Dell or HP (and others) that are equally as large as Apple is and sell many, many more products than Apple does. On the flip side, people keep their Apple computers for much longer and actually buy the newest versions of the OS in stores (it helps that OS X is much, much cheaper).
The fact that Apple does the kind of business that it does comparatively is amazing.
You have a point. Apple releases a new version of OS X about once a year. Microsoft sells A LOT MORE copies of one version of Windows than Apple does with one version of OS X
I would like to point out that people do not keep there computer any longer will apple. They tend to keep them a lot closer to the same length of time than you think. Windows PC replacement numbers are brought down by the corporate world. PC used to have a life span of 3 years but now you are quite often seeing 5+ years between replacements. My desktop for example I built in summer of 2004. Now in 2009 I see it lasting at least another year if not longer. that would put its replacement at OVER 5.5 years. Computers are last longer now as software is not pushing them as close to their limits as in the past.
Last fact that lengths Apple computers life is well they suck for gaming. Gaming PC have a MUCH MUCH shorter life span. Since there is no such think as a gaming mac..... and there very little gaming on a mac computer to the PC they do not get their usable lifespan shorten by that.
I might like to point out Price wise when you factor in MS release a new OS for every 2 apple releases it is not as close as people think.
Also please note when comparing prices of the OS you need to compare OSX to Windows Upgrade price since all that Apple sells are upgrade editions
No, no, no......They are full installs....I can't install it on a clear HDD on my Mac Mini....an upgrade version of windows would not do that on a pc
You clearly do not understand the meaning of upgrade edition. You can only install OSX on a apple computer (no argument there). All apple computers come with OSX installed OEM hence no reason to check to see if a prevous edition of OSX was installed. On windows you can do a clean install off of an upgrade CD. You just ave to prove you have upgrade eligible OS you are upgrading with.
Hence my argument for calling all version of OSX apple sells as upgrade editions.
i have that case too!!
*high five*
I have 8 plugs on my machine though, 2 out front and 6 in the back. I really dont need more than 6 (keyboard, mouse, gamepad, hdd, flash drive, random usb cable to plug stuff in) but knowing that i can have as many i want makes me happy.
what we were talking about? Oh, yes...
MS is big because they brought the right thing to the market at the right time. Apple isnt doing anything wrong because they arent aiming the the mass market, they are aiming for people who dont mind spending 2x as much on a computer so it can be shiny. Its doing them well. This article is like saying Lamborghini is making mistakes because they sell to the upper-end market. They arent failing, ergo they arent doing anything wrong.
I got the Cooler Master Elite 330 for $29.99. I like the mesh filters that Cooler Master includes on the front of their cases to keep dust out.
On my P45 it's 8 in the back and 2 in the front.
True, but I should point out that most people get a new OS with a new computer (Windows side). You don't see too many people upgrade the OS on a Windows system (IE xp to vista). The release cycle of windows exceeds the lifespan of a computer. Not to mention the system requirements would necessitate large amount of upgrading that is done outside the typical person.
Yes, I can grant you that. But I doubt that the typical number of ac OS purchases go anywhere near the amount of Windows (lets just say Vista) update licenses.
Of course comparing the Mac OS licensing to Microsoft's licensing is moot
since they vary so greatly.
The install disk for OSX may function as a full version, but so do the versions of Office in that the license requires a valid prior version. The only difference is that the mechanics of verification. I can tell you that I install office 2007 upgrades on new machines all the time. There is no version already installed, I just pop in a disc from the old install of the prior version (its a full version).
OSX is a upgrade by definition of its license.